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Originally posted by RichieV never had a need to increase it. I use the lowest stable setting and that happens to be 128. I do change it when mixing to 256 because i mix at a higher sample rate.

Thats crazy, a lot of times my latency needs to be so high I'll scrap the track because I can't work with the delay anymore.

I also don't bounce because I depend too much on automating parameters within the vst that I lose control over if I render it to wav.

i have lynx sound cards.I also use parallel processing so nothing ever gets too overloaded. I use a mac for synths and sampler and mix on a pc. Everything is sent via Adat.

Higher latency lowers the chance of popping, regardless of sound card. Course on new cards it may not matter. But for me there is no benefit of going low so I just max it and forget about it.

I can go down to 512 samples without pops....but why? Its like palcing my drink on the right of my plate instead of the left...either way, there is no benefit, 512 or 2048. Same thing.

for me there is a benefit to use lower latency and there is absolutely no benefit to using a high latency. As i mentioned, i use 128 with no pops or clicks. Why would i use 2048. I have absolutely nothing to gain.

Your situation might be different but to assume everyone has your workflow is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I can go down to 512 samples without pops....but why? Its like palcing my drink on the right of my plate instead of the left...either way, there is no benefit, 512 or 2048. Same thing.

No, dumbass, with lower latencies your MIDI keyboard for once is more responsive, you dont have to wait 40 millisecond each time you press a note to hear the sound.

Hence there is a difference.

he already mentioned how he uses the onboard sounds of his keyboard.

this is rediculous. You guys just keep going in circles.

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Originally posted by Subtle No, dumbass, with lower latencies your MIDI keyboard for once is more responsive, you dont have to wait 40 millisecond each time you press a note to hear the sound. Hence there is a difference.

For the 3rd time. If I use my keyboard to input notes, I don't HAVE to hear anything. I can mute my whole PC and still input the note properly, because latency doesn't effect midi input.

Damn dude, are you that fucking stupid. You piece of shit. Go buy some skill so you can play unaffected by latency. You no skill wannabe musician. I'm getting tired of hearing your whiny bitchy shit. Welcome to the ignore bin mother ******.

People who think latency effects midi input, damn how can you be so stupid?

High latency doesn't have any effect on midi input, thus negate ANY negative part of using high latency, and on ANY sound card it only HELPS the % chance that there isn't going to be pops. You people and your limited fucking capability piss me off. You need low latency so you can hear the sound, shut the fuck up and learn to play with mute.

Fuck, I know people who write whole albums without even playing a fucking instrument once. Because they have skill in composition and musicianship and they know what the fuck they are doing, petty bullshit like latency doesn't hamper them from being able to write. AND play everything in a sequencer afterwards.

Fuck all of you.

Most of you are in the worst genera of music known to man, its also the easiest to make, and most of you can't even make a decent track in that, how do you expect to ever make REAL music? Expand your fucking world, what tiesto said in some guide about latency is not the end all be all of what is truth. Fuck, I know people who use soundfonts and midi instruments only, and they make more quality shit than what you put out.

I mean come on, you have people struggling to COPY another artist. Struggling to find out which "daw" is the best [wtf] And of all things you want to argue on latency and wav files? Thats your whole scope? I mean you completely reject the idea of a music theory forum. Its like, you fucking hate music. You just want to copy armin or some ASOT garbage. I'm sorry to crash your dreams, but this trance shit a lot of you make is no more music than my cats meow. Everyone talks this shit but has absolutely nothing of merit to show for it.

How petty can you get? All of this bullshit everyone talks about, and I am still able to produce tracks doing things my way, while most of you don't have a track to your name, trying to tell me how wrong I am. Fuck You.






Was that post confrontational enough for you?

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Originally posted by cronodevir For the 3rd time. If I use my keyboard to input notes, I don't HAVE to hear anything. I can mute my whole PC and still input the note properly, because latency doesn't effect midi input. Damn dude, are you that fucking stupid. You piece of shit. Go buy some skill so you can play unaffected by latency. You no skill wannabe musician. I'm getting tired of hearing your whiny bitchy shit. Welcome to the ignore bin mother ******. People who think latency effects midi input, damn how can you be so stupid? High latency doesn't have any effect on midi input, thus negate ANY negative part of using high latency, and on ANY sound card it only HELPS the % chance that there isn't going to be pops. You people and your limited fucking capability piss me off. You need low latency so you can hear the sound, shut the fuck up and learn to play with mute. Fuck, I know people who write whole albums without even playing a fucking instrument once. Because they have skill in composition and musicianship and they know what the fuck they are doing, petty bullshit like latency doesn't hamper them from being able to write. AND play everything in a sequencer afterwards. Fuck all of you. Most of you are in the worst genera of music known to man, its also the easiest to make, and most of you can't even make a decent track in that, how do you expect to ever make REAL music? Expand your fucking world, what tiesto said in some guide about latency is not the end all be all of what is truth. Fuck, I know people who use soundfonts and midi instruments only, and they make more quality shit than what you put out. I mean come on, you have people struggling to COPY another artist. Struggling to find out which "daw" is the best [wtf] And of all things you want to argue on latency and wav files? Thats your whole scope? I mean you completely reject the idea of a music theory forum. Its like, you fucking hate music. You just want to copy armin or some ASOT garbage. I'm sorry to crash your dreams, but this trance shit a lot of you make is no more music than my cats meow. Everyone talks this shit but has absolutely nothing of merit to show for it. How petty can you get? All of this bullshit everyone talks about, and I am still able to produce tracks doing things my way, while most of you don't have a track to your name, trying to tell me how wrong I am. Fuck You. [/IMG]

I dont need to go down on your level, you have really sunk to the lowest.

KVR covers all my music theory needs btw.

The world is bigger than tranceaddict you know, no need to have everything in here.

There is more to the world than whether or not you freeze or bounce, or use low latency or high latency, and the fact is, both ways you go on either subject make less than 2% of a difference. Its just some people feel they need to argue.

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Originally posted by cronodevir You people and your limited fucking capability piss me off. You need low latency so you can hear the sound, shut the fuck up and learn to play with mute.

Yeah great idea, lets play an INSTRUMENT WE CANT HEAR!!

I can hear the sounds built into my keyboard fine.

I'm sorry you'er limited only to your VSTi.

Last two weeks on this site has been the most retarded thing Ive ever seen on the net. Ive talked to bigots more logical then you guys.

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Originally posted by cronodevir There is more to the world than whether or not you freeze or bounce, or use low latency or high latency, and the fact is, both ways you go on either subject make less than 2% of a difference. Its just some people feel they need to argue.

You havent even scratched the surface of what Cubase can do with audio material once it is bounced down.

You havent even given it a single thought.

You are like "hey freeze is cool, lets not check out anything else ever"

That is why you are unlikely to advance at anything, you think you know it all already.

Using Audio is in whole, a step back in production. The only thing Cubase did that FL didn't is freeze mode, everything else Cubase did was shit compared to FL. The key editor was an atrocity. I would rather see a baby torn asunder by a semi truck, Than use the key editor in Cubase. Cubase crashed on loading most 3rd party vsti...so to say it has vsti support is laughable. Doing any kind of automation takes at least 40 more steps to get what you want. You have to use this shitty menu and scroll through the thousands of parameters a synthesizer might have, and find the name of the one you want, in order to automate it. And 100% of the time, the parameters were named nothing like they were on the synthesizer. Many of them were literally "Param1 Param2 Param3..so you had to fucking guess.. "Is this the cutoff for filter 3? "Is this the release for EG2?" Who the fuck knows. Even chopping audio was atrocious. To do a simple slice required at least 14 mouse clicks.

And when cubase crashed, it broke my midi input. And my sound. I had to either reboot, or renable the sound processes via cmd window. And my midi is fucking USB plug and play!!! How do you break that???

Cubase might have been good years ago, but now its just an old dog that is running on shitty unstable code. This is why people use Pro-Tools instead.

FL8 deals with audio better than Cubase. Only downside to FL is its loop orientated, which can be remedied by changing how you use fl anyways, so meh.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Using Audio is in whole, a step back in production. The only thing Cubase did that FL didn't is freeze mode, everything else Cubase did was shit compared to FL. The key editor was an atrocity. I would rather see a baby torn asunder by a semi truck, Than use the key editor in Cubase. Cubase crashed on loading most 3rd party vsti...so to say it has vsti support is laughable. Doing any kind of automation takes at least 40 more steps to get what you want. You have to use this shitty menu and scroll through the thousands of parameters a synthesizer might have, and find the name of the one you want, in order to automate it. And 100% of the time, the parameters were named nothing like they were on the synthesizer. Many of them were literally "Param1 Param2 Param3..so you had to fucking guess.. "Is this the cutoff for filter 3? "Is this the release for EG2?" Who the fuck knows. Even chopping audio was atrocious. To do a simple slice required at least 14 mouse clicks. And when cubase crashed, it broke my midi input. And my sound. I had to either reboot, or renable the sound processes via cmd window. And my midi is fucking USB plug and play!!! How do you break that??? Cubase might have been good years ago, but now its just an old dog that is running on shitty unstable code. This is why people use Pro-Tools instead.

Use the program for 5 years, and then come back and complain.

Btw, if im going to be nice and tell you how to automate.

1. Open the synthesizer
2. Press the W icon show it shows red
3. Press play and start moving the desired parameters
4. Press the W so it is not red
5. Then press R

Done!

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Originally posted by cronodevir Even chopping audio was atrocious. To do a simple slice required at least 14 mouse clicks.

A simple slice can be done with 2 clicks.

Press 3 to select the slicing tool, and then just left click on audio files where you want to slice.

You can't do perfect automation that way. Man where do you get all these ideas for music production?

I don't do basic level automation. I need to do stuff the human hand simply cannot do perfectly. Same with the key editor. You can't just "open up and play" on your midi controller. Alot of the stuff is unplayable. Or in the least won't be on time, and I don't want to deal with crappy quantize shit. The notes have to be absolutely perfect the first time. So I put all the melodies in with the mosue, and in FL I can manipulate the notes in real time while the synth or song is playing. So while you sit and re-record everything hundreds of times, wasting time, trying to find the right melody pattern, I can do it in a fraction of the time.

I need to be able to do things with the mouse fast and efficiently. In Fl I simply left click *any* knob slider dial what ever, and click create automation clip, then I input the automation with the mouse. I don't have time to fiddle with doing take after take hoping the automation is perfectly landed. Nor do i have the patience to sit at a slider for 8 minutes doing automation. I can do loop based automation this way, graph automation, or attach it to another controller. In one click.

Be realistic.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Using Audio is in whole, a step back in production. The only thing Cubase did that FL didn't is freeze mode, everything else Cubase did was shit compared to FL. The key editor was an atrocity. I would rather see a baby torn asunder by a semi truck, Than use the key editor in Cubase. Cubase crashed on loading most 3rd party vsti...so to say it has vsti support is laughable. Doing any kind of automation takes at least 40 more steps to get what you want. You have to use this shitty menu and scroll through the thousands of parameters a synthesizer might have, and find the name of the one you want, in order to automate it. And 100% of the time, the parameters were named nothing like they were on the synthesizer. Many of them were literally "Param1 Param2 Param3..so you had to fucking guess.. "Is this the cutoff for filter 3? "Is this the release for EG2?" Who the fuck knows. Even chopping audio was atrocious. To do a simple slice required at least 14 mouse clicks. And when cubase crashed, it broke my midi input. And my sound. I had to either reboot, or renable the sound processes via cmd window. And my midi is fucking USB plug and play!!! How do you break that??? Cubase might have been good years ago, but now its just an old dog that is running on shitty unstable code. This is why people use Pro-Tools instead. FL8 deals with audio better than Cubase. Only downside to FL is its loop orientated, which can be remedied by changing how you use fl anyways, so meh.

Fuck me, you talk so much fucking rubbish. PLEASE SHUT UP FOR GOOD OF EVERYONE ON HERE.

I left this thread yesterday to have dinner and you've added about 9 pages of mindless, over opinionated and incorrect drivel.

And you realise it's not me alone that thinks you spout a lot of shit. I count 5 other people in this thread who also think this and it's not a conspiracy against noobs -just people who talk utter rubbish as if it's gospel.

Firstly when I left you were banging on about how the hell coupld any need 16 gigs because you'd be able to run 8 instances of crysis.

WHO GIVES AFUCK ABOUT COMPUTER GAMES PROCESSING - it has nothing to do with audio processing. The FPS benchmark is only found amongst game geeks and PC magazines, who don't know shit about audio. Ever seen it in and audio magazine as a relative benchmark? No.

Ever hear audio engineers talk about performance in terms of FPS? No.

It's virtually meaningless to the audio world as it's a measurement of performance relating cpu usage with video cards.

Any you wonder why people think you don't have a clue? It's like going to a car meet and saying "I bet that car go 40 knotts!, probably faster with the sails down".

Your using a inbuilt/plug and play soundcard - how the hell can you even comment on audio performance? Or audio drivers?

In fact over the last few pages there are literally DOZENS of things you are so off base on that I simply don't have time or want to go in to.

So I'll just use your last post as bullshit evidence:

Everything else cubase did was shit compared to FL....
......Cubase crashed on loading most 3rd party vsti...
......so to say it has vsti support is laughable.
......To do a simple slice required at least 14 mouse clicks.
......when cubase crashed, it broke my midi input
......Cubase might have been good years ago, but now its just an old dog that is running on shitty unstable code.

ALL OF THIS IS USER ERROR: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG (no wonder).

Try actually buying a cubase then properly learn how to use it (which is probably difficult for you which is why you love FL so much). Cubase is so much more advanced than FL - not saying you can't do the same thing, but arguably, cubase led the way and FL is still playing catchup.

Best of all though (you saved it for last):

This is why people use Pro-Tools instead.

Hate to break this to you but even though they're both audio programs their application is often completely different. Pro-tools is great for audio (far better implemented and more advanced than cubase) but cubase is light years ahead of PT in terms of midi.

You're comparing apples and oranges then saying oranges are better.

Have you ever even used protools?

You know what, you're certainly not stupid at all - you writewell and have some knowledge of computers, but do this forum a favor: don't tell people who've been doing this for a long time that it's raining while you're pissing on their leg.

You're a troll and you don't know it: until you do, you'll not be taken seriously - not because of me or anyone else's opinion, but because of yours...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN A bunch of garbage.

Wrong.

I wonder if I have mirrored you guys yet, guess I have to wait till Eddie comes back huh?

You guys are more hard headed than a bunch of Evangelists. You are all WAY over here talking about how I am wrong this and that blah blah and you are all missing the point.

Look at me, and realize this is what you guys sound like when you speak, only you all agree with each other so you don't notice it. And I am referring to the pointless accusations and randomly making shit up. Case in point, show me where I entered a thread, singled someone out, and told them they were stupid,wrong etc etc. How many times are you going to come into a thread and debate me for no reason and pull the thread into a flame war? Who cares if you think I am wrong. We are dealing with opinions on on an internet forum. Not facts. If you keep following me into threads [you know who you are] and tell me how my methods are shite or what ever, for no fucking reason at all. Then I will continue to be an ass. You want to correct me on something? Do like I do..I PM people because A they are less likely to argue and B it goes off topic.

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Originally posted by cronodevir You can't do perfect automation that way. Man where do you get all these ideas for music production? I don't do basic level automation. I need to do stuff the human hand simply cannot do perfectly. Same with the key editor. You can't just "open up and play" on your midi controller. Alot of the stuff is unplayable. Or in the least won't be on time, and I don't want to deal with crappy quantize shit. The notes have to be absolutely perfect the first time. So I put all the melodies in with the mosue, and in FL I can manipulate the notes in real time while the synth or song is playing. So while you sit and re-record everything hundreds of times, wasting time, trying to find the right melody pattern, I can do it in a fraction of the time. I need to be able to do things with the mouse fast and efficiently. In Fl I simply left click *any* knob slider dial what ever, and click create automation clip, then I input the automation with the mouse. I don't have time to fiddle with doing take after take hoping the automation is perfectly landed. Nor do i have the patience to sit at a slider for 8 minutes doing automation. I can do loop based automation this way, graph automation, or attach it to another controller. In one click. Be realistic.

Then FL is probably the choice for you, but dont come dumping shit like Cubase it teh sucks because you havent learned to use it properly.

I have used the program for 5 years now, i still havent gone through even half its features and possibilities, its not a plug and play program like FL. It has a very steep learning curve.

Everything you say Cubase can`t do, it can and it does it well too.

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Originally posted by Subtle but dont come dumping shit like Cubase it teh sucks

It sucks when people do it doesn't it?

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Originally posted by cronodevir It sucks when people do it doesn't it?

You suck, i hope you vanish from this forum, you contribute absolutely nothing, ever.

All you do is complaining and arguing about how everyone else is wrong and you are right, and you never stop... you just go on and on and on.

Im not surprised people are reluctant to even come here anymore because of your stupid arguments and filling threads with your self centered bullshit.

And im done talking to you from now on, me talking with you makes me just as useless as you are.

This is suppose to be a place where people share experiences and information, not reading 20 pages of you against a small group of people arguing about obvious things.

There are alot of professional musicians visiting this forum, and your bullshit im afraid keeps them from coming back.

Now fuck off or grow the fuck up.

Lol. You will never get it huh? Oh well.

Its a shame, we only made it to page 15. I was hoping we could hit the big 20. I had a big post all ready and laid out, it was quiet extraordinary too. It had images, a video and all...good times, good times.

But know you brought this stupidity on yourself. I'm only doing this because I'm tired of little fucks with big egos following me into threads trying to prove me wrong on shit that doesn't even matter. Until that started happening, things were fine. When it did start happening, and no one even acknowledged it, I lost all respect for TA. So sorry, but not many here even deserve intelligent responses to their posts. Subtle, DJ RANN, and a few others, you guys don't even have the intelligence to make a statement that doesn't use a fallacy or isn't off point. I have a feeling Diginut knows what I am talking about, but he just like being an asshole. Eddie and RichieV are fairly intelligent people. But for the most part, no one here has said anything that even goes against what I say. Much less has there been any "debunking" or "destroying" of my arguments. Not that I ever had any arguments. But one must realize when dealing with young, ignorant kids. That every time they see something they don't agree with they MUST STOP AND DEBATE THIS PERSON ESPECIALLY IF ITS ON THE INTERNET!!!111oneoneone

How the fuck do you get through life if you can't even have a decent conversation with people you don't agree with without making yourself look like an insolent little snob?

Here is an idea, most musicians in the world make music, WITHOUT ANY DAW...they don't use ANY sequencer they must be fucking retarded, because they don't use a daw, latency isn't an issue and.. OH MY GOODNESS, they don't use audio files!!! ITS MADDNESS EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE MOST OF THEM WOULD CALL YOU STUPID AND PETTY FOR DEALING WITH LATENCY AND AUDIO FILES AND SUCH..LAWL NUBS.

Anyways...yeah. I'm going to play Toribash.

You think that the earth is flat and everyone tries to convince you that its actually round.

(yeah i know i used it twice)

But its a perfect example of how narrow minded, self centered and ignorant you are.

I finally have come to understand the purpose of a forum moderator..

they save people from themselves, and their inability to understand just because people are replying to your comments and collectively hating you, doesn't mean you wouldn't look better in real life having a conversation with a wall.

I'll be the first to say I started this thread.
My thread has been raped, defiled and humiliated.

I don't care, the only thing I care about is that it dies as soon as possible.
Everyone else, including myself must understand cronos weak point is his inability to stop responding to hate. Act like you love him and agree with him, or act like this thread doesn't exist.

Otherwise this thread WILL NOT DIE.
plzz support the effort to kill it, muchos gracias

Subtle started it. :P

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