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Originally posted by iant56

lol I bet you're still laughing from this afternoon

Comparing the early 20th century flu pandemic to now is a bit short sighted. For the comparison to hold true, that would mean that we have not made any significant progress in general hygiene, medical practices, or communication.

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Originally posted by MarkT I'm so relieved that the armchair virologists of TA undertook such a vigorous scientific approach in their dismissal of swine flu as a serious threat. I feel so much safer knowing that you guys are looking after us.

You are acting as if we should not even have the right to form our own opinions with the information provided to us. Just sit back and let the authorities handle it, as if.

If we were basing federal response guidelines, and scientific research methodologies on the limited info we read, then you would have a legitimate beef. But, we are merely debating the effectiveness of a new flu on a music forum. You have to take time, effort, and setting into account when judging the merits of an argument.

Here is a little FAQ sheet I found on National Geographic. It seems to confirm the information I have gotten from the medical professionals that I have spoken to.

Q: How safe is eating pork?
A: As safe as it ever was.

Handling and consuming animal products, such as pork, can transmit some viruses. But that's not how the H1N1 swine flu virus is spreading, said Christine Layton, a public health policy analyst with the North Carolina-based nonprofit research institute RTI International.

Swine flu is a respiratory virus, spread from person to person. In other words: A sneezing chef is a threat, not the spare ribs he's basting.

In fact, if the swine flu virus were primarily being transmitted from pigs to people, public health officials probably wouldn't be so concerned. That kind of transmission tends to limit a virus's human spread to farmers and meat workers�people who are likely to come into contact with animals' bodily fluids.


Q. Can those face masks really protect me from swine flu?
A. Yes and no.

The blue surgical masks you've seen being passed out to Mexican pedestrians are better than nothing but probably only marginally useful, said Andrew Pekosz, associate professor of microbiology and immunology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland.

While such masks block the relatively large, virus-carrying droplets sneezed out by infected people, the viruses themselves are much smaller and could easily pass through. Specialty masks, designated N-95 or N-99, are better filters but still not perfect.

For better protection, Pekosz recommends combining a mask with regular hand washing and keeping 3 to 4 feet (90 to 120 centimeters) away from other people.


Q. Is this just another media health scare? How worried should we be?
A. The truth lies somewhere in between panic and eye-rolling.

Making the jump from animal-to-person to person-to-person transmission is a rare skill for a flu virus to "learn." This ability makes H1N1 swine flu potentially dangerous�and makes the concern about it a bit different from the worries over bird flu, which has yet to make such a transition.

Human-to-human transmission is a big part of why public health officials are pouring resources into swine flu and why they want you to be aware that the virus is out there.

That said, experts like Johns Hopkins's Pekosz and RTI's Layton say there's currently no reason to lock yourself up in the house.

For one thing, the cases outside Mexico have been no more serious than your average flu bug. Right now, nobody is sure why that is. And while the severity of the symptoms could increase, Pekosz said there's not really an immediate, serious threat to individuals within the United States.

"However," he said, "it certainly merits the public paying attention, and it warrants the public health efforts that have been going on in terms of monitoring and research."


Q. How does a pig-bird-human mash-up swine flu virus happen, anyway?
A. Blame the pigs, and the virus.

Flu viruses are "very messy reproducers," RTI's Layton said.

All eight flu genes replicate independently. If a cell is infected with three different flu viruses, reproduction can mean a reshuffling of genetic material from multiple parents, thrown together randomly into the "baby" flu virus.

Most of the time, those cut-and-paste viruses don't work out very well, Johns Hopkins's Pekosz said. But every so often, this natural reassortment will come up with a new flu virus that has some kind of advantage over its competitors.

H1N1 swine flu is one of those, but we've certainly seen others in the past 30 years, he said. Pigs are part of the problem because they can become infected with flu viruses from birds and humans. As such, swine seem to provide a particularly good environment for this genetic square dance to take place.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...-flu-facts.html

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Originally posted by Orko ... You are acting as if we should not even have the right to form our own opinions with the information provided to us. Just sit back and let the authorities handle it, as if. ...

no, I'm simply pointing out that even the heads of various health orgs like the WHO, CDC and several virologists have said that it's far too early to dismiss swine flu as serious, that serious reports will still come in, etc.

but some here are acting like it's a 'hoax' or something...and that makes them look naive and a bit too full of themselves.

there's a difference between an opinion based upon an educated guess or some legitimate knowledge...then there's forming an opionion based upon near-complete ignorance.

other theories on how it started...

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/JustinBo/pig-******.jpg



http://www.funkreation.com/images/funnypics/pig_******.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/photobucketslutman/pig******.jpg

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Afghanistan's only pig quarantined in flu fear KABULMay 5 (Reuters) - Afghanistan's only known pig has been locked in a room, away from visitors to Kabul zoo where it normally grazes beside deer and goats, because people are worried it could infect them with the virus popularly known as swine flu. The pig is a curiosity in Muslim Afghanistan, where pork and pig products are illegal because they are considered irreligious, and has been in quarantine since Sunday after visitors expressed alarm it could spread the new flu strain. "For now the pig is under quarantine, we built it a room because of swine influenza," Aziz Gul Saqib, director of Kabul Zoo, told Reuters. "We've done this because people are worried about getting the flu."

Source

Apparently the latest craze in media driven fear knows no boundaries.

P.S. - I lol'd as one should.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I think she might have been using the term "antibiotics" to refer to anti-infection medicines in general - it's colloquial but common. And if I'm not mistaken, the same principles apply: people who run to get Tamiflu every time they have flu-like symptoms and stop their dosage as soon as they feel marginally better are likely to create more resistant strains.

Boo to Purel! Any of those hand sanitizers are scams and definitely do more harm than good.

Thanks for clarifying on that I was half asleep when i wrote that and did mean what you said

I've read somewhere taking antibiotics when you have the cold or flu can weaken the immune system which would make people who would normally be healthy more succeptable to illnesses such as the oink flu?

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew

That's too cute! I giggled

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Originally posted by Kellyboop I've read somewhere taking antibiotics when you have the cold or flu can weaken the immune system which would make people who would normally be healthy more succeptable to illnesses such as the oink flu?

I think it's more like the more antibiotics we take, the more different viruses will mutate to forgo the strength of the antibiotics

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew I think it's more like the more antibiotics we take, the more different viruses will mutate to forgo the strength of the antibiotics

Antibiotics don't affect viruses just the bacteria in your body. Abusing antibiotics can lead to mutated bacteria and a weakened immune system though.

So is this bullshit crisis officially over yet or what?

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Originally posted by Kellyboop Antibiotics don't affect viruses just the bacteria in your body. Abusing antibiotics can lead to mutated bacteria and a weakened immune system though.

ah
so it's pretty much useless to take them?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So is this bullshit crisis officially over yet or what?

it won't be over until every pig in the world is served up as bacon on my breakfast plate.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced it won't be over until every pig in the world is served up as bacon on my breakfast plate.

extra crispy i hope!

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Originally posted by Kellyboop Boo to Purel! Any of those hand sanitizers are scams and definitely do more harm than good.

Haha, I've been saying this forever, nobody believes me.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew so it's pretty much useless to take them?

Obviously they are useful if you have a bacterial infection. If you've got strep or meningitis or something then you definitely should be on antibiotics.

It's as I said before - antibiotics just can't kill viruses because viruses aren't alive.

I'm four days into this flu bullshit here in LA and it sucks. will it kill me, no. but yes it sucks in a major sucking way. I've never thrown up this much in my life even after a three day drinking binge in Rome a few years back. But it's really the dizzyness that is kicking my ass. I can't fricken walk more than two step without running into a wall or falling over. you do not want this but unless you're old or an infant I don't think you'll die.

i had a flu like that once.. i thought the world was going to end. Good luck dude!

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Originally posted by nusty I'm four days into this flu bullshit here in LA and it sucks. will it kill me, no. but yes it sucks in a major sucking way. I've never thrown up this much in my life even after a three day drinking binge in Rome a few years back. But it's really the dizzyness that is kicking my ass. I can't fricken walk more than two step without running into a wall or falling over. you do not want this but unless you're old or an infant I don't think you'll die.

AW FUCK! Now I just remembered who I know in LA!!! We couldda got together 2 weeks ago

So i take it the great scare of 2009 is over?

So when do mexicans get their economy back?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 So i take it the great scare of 2009 is over? So when do mexicans get their economy back?

CNN milked it for all its worth so now on to the next great white hype

The WHO declared it a pandemic today.

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