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Originally posted by DJ RANN You are such a twat, and ever worse at trolling than I first assumed. You have a "degree in aerospace engineering" but your professor can't explain how planes actually fly. Did you get your degree from a website? My grandfather was chief engineer of British Airways for 30 years (i.e. the buck stopped with him for the entire global fleet), and his take was that 90% of air disasters happen due a to catalog of errors, usually started by a physical malfunction which alone is usually not enough by itself to result in complete catastrophe, but is then compounded and in some cases catalyzed by human error, and in many cases repetitive and avoidable error. If you bothered to read the thread, in it's entirety, plus the links posted you'd find it's really not difficult to figure out what went wrong here, and it's not some frankly dumb and insulting conspiracy theory and cover up.

airplanes fly because of observations and method of analysis of RAW DATA. if engineering cant achieve something with physics, they will do it by processing experimental data.

but the theory of aerodynamics is not developed yes to explain the effect with allows for the cause to happen.

fluid mechanics theory of the effect of flight is missing, but the results exists (planes fly)

huge tropical storm over the ocean = extremely high turbulence and or instant freezing because of the really cold condensed air trapped in the storm that react with the hot air to cause extreme weather. this is how extreme weather happens. a significant difference of temperature between two fronts: one is cold, one is warm.

when the force resulting from the turbulence of air is greater than the structure strength of the airplane, the airplane will lose a wing, or get broken in half or even in more than 2 pieces.

go learn to analyze. most reports blame the dead pilots, because the first rule of business is:

protect the investment. best way to do that, is to not admit any fault of the product, and blame it all on human error.

you really need to start using some logic towards understand the world.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Too bad RANN, Trinity, and Russell weren't on this flight!

LOL

Re: Re: Air France jet missing over Atlantic

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Originally posted by TheTrinity i have a Degree in Aerospace Engineering. in 2nd year, 1st semester, in a class called Fluid Mechanics the Professor (he has worked for NASA) tried to shed some light on how an airplane actually flies. (AKA, the aerodynamic theory of what makes an airplane actually fly) and to the silence of the whole room, he proceeded to tell us, that to this day, no one has yet figured out how a plane actually flies. Airplanes fly, but no one has yet to provide the actual theory behind how airplanes, or why airplanes actually fly.

Do you also have a degree in commenting on 4 year old posts?

Fucking moron.

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Originally posted by TheTrinity cant open the main door, or emergency door on an airplane during mid flight. they can only be opened on the ground, from the outside. once you are on a runway inside a plane, you are in it for the ride.

yeah that's how they get out of the plane when they land on the ocean, they wait until a fishing boat comes and opens the door for them!

you
fucking
moron

Problem solved: TheTrinity is actually Alec Empire.

I like to think that TheTrinity is actually TheVoice, and that Roger totally cured his terminal gay through the power of Christ. Or thinks he did, anyway. That's all that matters.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi you fucking moron

This, lol.

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Originally posted by TheTrinity airplanes fly because of observations and method of analysis of RAW DATA. if engineering cant achieve something with physics, they will do it by processing experimental data.

That might be true, if they weren't able to design planes based on proven aerodynamic theory. Otherwise you're saying that every plane designer is just guessing when when build planes. It's all just a fluke that planes fly right?

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Originally posted by TheTrinity but the theory of aerodynamics is not developed yes to explain the effect with allows for the cause to happen.

Wat?

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Originally posted by TheTrinity fluid mechanics theory of the effect of flight is missing, but the results exists (planes fly)

That's because they've have the physics of aerodynamics nailed down for pretty much the best part of 75 years.

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Originally posted by TheTrinity huge tropical storm over the ocean = extremely high turbulence and or instant freezing because of the really cold condensed air trapped in the storm that react with the hot air to cause extreme weather. this is how extreme weather happens. a significant difference of temperature between two fronts: one is cold, one is warm.

Wow, meteorology 101. Did you get that from the weather channel?

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Originally posted by TheTrinity when the force resulting from the turbulence of air is greater than the structure strength of the airplane, the airplane will lose a wing, or get broken in half or even in more than 2 pieces.

Yes, and?

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Originally posted by TheTrinity go learn to analyze. most reports blame the dead pilots

That's because they really did fuck this one up. They flew in to a serious storm, despite warnings, then reacted completely the wrong way. You do realize they have the box box data right? Or was it all faked, including the voice recordings?

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Originally posted by TheTrinity , because the first rule of business is: protect the investment. best way to do that, is to not admit any fault of the product, and blame it all on human error. you really need to start using some logic towards understand the world.

I would suggest using evidence first, then applying logic.

the planes are serviced by the manufacturer, not the airline. So if there was a cover up, the airlines would blame the technology, the manufacturer would blame the pilot. i think this is a pretty good system of checks and balances where both have conflicting interests and access to the flight recorders.

And the statistics show about an 60 - 80% lean to the side of human error for commercial crashes. These are just meta analyses from airlines and plane manufacturers. There are tons of banned airlines, how many plane manufactures go out of a business for negligence ?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Wow, meteorology 101. Did you get that from the weather channel?

Haha, I was thinking his 'info' was rather from some Discovery/History/Whatever channel airplane disaster show.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney And the statistics show about an 60 - 80% lean to the side of human error for commercial crashes. These are just meta analyses from airlines and plane manufacturers. There are tons of banned airlines, how many plane manufactures go out of a business for negligence ?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN This, lol. That might be true, if they weren't able to design planes based on proven aerodynamic theory. Otherwise you're saying that every plane designer is just guessing when when build planes. It's all just a fluke that planes fly right? Wat? That's because they've have the physics of aerodynamics nailed down for pretty much the best part of 75 years. Wow, meteorology 101. Did you get that from the weather channel? Yes, and? That's because they really did fuck this one up. They flew in to a serious storm, despite warnings, then reacted completely the wrong way. You do realize they have the box box data right? Or was it all faked, including the voice recordings? I would suggest using evidence first, then applying logic.

first find logical evidence, then apply logic.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's because they've have the physics of aerodynamics nailed down for pretty much the best part of 75 years.

no they havent. we dont understand the physics towards anything, after relativity changed everything.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's because they really did fuck this one up. They flew in to a serious storm, despite warnings, then reacted completely the wrong way. You do realize they have the box box data right? Or was it all faked, including the voice recordings?

there was no meteorology warning about the storm. they flew into it because they werent warned about it. they didnt see it. its night, at 35,000 atmosphere. clouds, horizon and ocean are all the same color.

we havent seen any voice recordings, or proof of voice recordings.

Just read that the full 'official' report will be released on 5th July.

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Originally posted by TheTrinity we havent seen any voice recordings

You'd be more successful if you tried to hear them instead.

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Originally posted by TheTrinity first find logical evidence, then apply logic.

Live long and prosper!

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Originally posted by TheTrinity no they havent. we dont understand the physics towards anything, after relativity changed everything.

So now you're saying they did have the physics nailed down but Albert fucked it up for everyone a few decades later? So all those previous designs that were based on the established physics and just so happened to fly perfectly well were held up in the air by magic and hope?

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Originally posted by TheTrinity we havent seen any voice recordings, or proof of voice recordings.

So all the black box recordings that have surfaced so far are fake, and it's all a giant conspiracy just to cover up a malfunction of the plane? As pointed out, the airline firstly wouldn't be directly responsible for it and second air France already had a catastrophic mechanical failure with concord and that didn't sink them, did it? And they admitted all the facts. Why would they make a massive concerted effort to cover up a disaster that points to malfunction and pilot error?

Not much logic going on here.

explain. provide proof. discuss your points. validate them. come to a conclusion. prove me wrong.

Extraordinary development... Capatain was off with mistress...

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...was-in-trouble/

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Was Air France Captain With a Woman When Flight 447 Was in Trouble? In the final chaotic moments before Air France flight 447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, it took the captain of the aircraft, who was on a scheduled break, more than a minute to return to the cockpit, despite his two co-pilots�f frantic calls for help, black box recordings showed. Although it was never revealed what delayed Capt. Marc Dubois, two independent sources told ABC News that the 58-year-old veteran Air France pilot was traveling socially with an off-duty Air France flight attendant named Veronique Gaignard. Jean-Paul Troadec, the director of BEA, the French authority conducting the investigation into the Flight 447 crash, told ABC News that Gaignard was not part of their investigation because the agency was �gnot interested�h in the �gprivate life of the pilot.�h Troadec added that he did not think Dubois�fs alleged relations with Gaignard aboard the plane would have played a role in the accident. Air France 447 was on an overnight trip from Rio de Janiero to Paris on May 31, 2009 when it vanished. The plane crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in the early morning hours of June 1, 2009. INFOGRAPHIC: Air France Flight 447: Timeline of Events Black box tapes recovered from the wreckage two years later, in April 2011, revealed that Capt. Dubois left the cockpit for a scheduled nap about four hours into the flight, around the same time Flight 447 was about to enter a severe thunderstorm which other flights had avoided. Once in the storm, the plane�fs pitot tube, a critical piece of equipment that tells the pilot the aircraft�fs air speed, failed, likely from ice crystals forming on it, according to BEA officials who inspected the wreckage. When the pitot tube fails, the Airbus A330��s automatic pilot system disengages, shifting control back to the pilot. According to the tapes, First Officer Cedric Bonin, a 32-year-old pilot who had fewer than 5,000 flight hours under his belt, was at the controls but had never been in this situation before at high altitude. Bonin made the fatal mistake of pulling the plane�fs nose up, which caused it to go into a deep stall. Within seconds, the plane was plummeting about 120 miles an hour in the dark, belly first, with the nose slightly elevated. �gIt seems that the pilots did not understand the situation and they were not aware that they had stalled,�h Troadec said. The co-pilots asked where the captain was and called for help several times before Dubois returned to the cockpit, the black box tapes showed. When Dubois burst in, he found a scene of utter confusion. �gWhat�fs happening?�h Dubois was heard saying on the black box recordings. �gI don�ft know what�fs happening,�h one of the co-pilots replied. �gI have a problem�cI have no more displays,�h Dubois said. They never regained control of the plane, and in the confusion, co-pilot Cedric Bonin thought his instruments were wrong. He was so befuddled that he was heard asking, �gAm I going down now?�h All 228 passengers and crew aboard Air France flight 447 were killed. BEA will release its final report on the investigation into the crash on July 5. Air France declined ABC News�f request for an interview, pending the July release of the final report from France�fs investigation.

will the actual flight recording ever be released? i think that the NTSB used to have them archived if i'm not mistaken.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit will the actual flight recording ever be released? i think that the NTSB used to have them archived if i'm not mistaken.

I read that they were never going to be released since they were pretty horrific. I would like to them to be, though.

Good ABC video:

http://abcnews.go.com/International...ory?id=16503005

Conversation transcript

Final official report

I wish they'd release the audio, but I don't think they ever will.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ Conversation transcript Final official report I wish they'd release the audio, but I don't think they ever will.

they will at least be making a mayday episode on it (air crash investigation) for season 12, final episode of the season.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ I wish they'd release the audio, but I don't think they ever will.

Maybe it's better if they don't. I can't imagine how painful it must be for the families of the deceased to listen to this if TV stations ever decide to broadcast the audio (which I reckon they will if they get the chance to)... and, if you don't know the people involved, it's probably just three desperate Frenchmen panicking with chimes and bells on the background - which I guess is more than enough to grant anyone dozens of nightmare-filled weeks

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Originally posted by Lira Maybe it's better if they don't. I can't imagine how painful it must be for the families of the deceased to listen to this if TV stations ever decide to broadcast the audio (which I reckon they will if they get the chance to)... and, if you don't know the people involved, it's probably just three desperate Frenchmen panicking with chimes and bells on the background - which I guess is more than enough to grant anyone dozens of nightmare-filled weeks

True. I'm not a ghoul, just have an interest to hear it. Other baclk box recordings have been released in the past (notably the JAL ones) but I don't know why they don't want to release this one. Maybe it's the impending manslaughter charges going on against Air France and Airbus.

What's the reception been like in Brazil?

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