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Sorry for the long post...
While it is true there are many negative comments HERE, I wouldn't say it is because everyone is a trance fan. I have been reading forums on events for the first time in my life because I was shocked/let down when I saw the lineup and was wondering what others thought. I am a big house head... my favorite DJ is David Guetta and my favorite producer is Tocadisco... I find most of the trance DJs to bore me (no offense, I've seen all the big names too... I really like Schulz, Tiesto, Armin, SvD, though...). I completely agree with the lineup negativity though from a non-trance stance.
You have a point that naturally trance fans are going to disagree when an event goes away from trance... but... who may I ask is the headliner here that equals the skill or abilities of last years lineup? Armin was #1 DJ, ATB is a classic, Above and Beyond #4, K&A etc... It doesn't need to be AS good as last year, but somewhere close would be good. If they are doing house on the mainstage then get a comparable house DJ, not Deadmau5 and Groove Armada... Deadmau5 SUCKED at Pop, he basically just premixes (or someone does it for him...) everything beforehand and then does effects as the "DJ" part of his set. Never mind all that, the music... its just bad. He played "I Remember" for 15 minutes at Pop... Who does that? His set is going to be the same... Hi Friend, Ghost and Stuff, Reward is Cheese, and Sometimes Things Get Whatever. He got his set cut by 45 minutes at Ultra then was CHEERED OFF to people yelling "Tiesto"... I know, I was there, I never want to be there again to see that... Eddie Halliwell, I am optimistic from what I hear, but I went to EDC and to be honest didn't think he was very good, but maybe I will be surprised. Groove Armada was okay and will put on a good set for us.... Fischerspooner should get the crowd going since they have such a massive following from outside the EDM world, I really can't see anyone not getting into the song "Cloud"...
If they wanted to go housey on the lineup for the main stage it should of been Kaskade and David Guetta headlining with Markus or ATB slotted in before Kaskade... That is a reasonable alternative for a house lineup.
The lineup I am looking at just stinks of not planning the events lineup early enough or just not willing to spend the money. Yes politics are involved, yes DJ schedules are involved, yes it is an SF rave and not LA, etc... Those factors have ALWAYS been present though. It isn't like the date wasn't known a whole year in advance...
That being said Skills is an awesome production company and this is going to be a sick afterparty because we will all get to listen to new music and the vibe is always just amazing, so it is worth the $60 easily just for that. This may even be better than last year, I have been so surprised by different people at pretty much every rave I have gone to. I have always walked away from a rave astonished at how wrong I was about something or someone. Last year I was surprised ATB was so good, at Monster Markus was amazing (I had never seen him before), at Ultra it was David Guetta (first time also), also at Monster it was how bad PvD sucks which was reaffirmed at Pop oh and at Ultra Miami oh and at EDC. So basically long story short, just be happy PvD isn't playing (sorry PvD guys.... I did dance to him at EDC but I am pretty sure that time I would of been dancing to Spice Girls if it was playing).
I personally hope the surprise Henry is talking about is either Guetta, Tiesto, or Markus but I am not holding my breath. Oh, and if you are gonna go, go with a smile and a positive attitude or no amout of anything is going to bring you back up. I got in a bad mood at EDC when Benassi took 50 minutes to show up and then played stuff I thought sucked (was hoping for Phobia and Pumphonia)... ruined my mood for Guetta - and THAT is why the lineup is so important. It is very easy to get in a negative mood when you are stuck with another 10,000 other sweaty people in a room and the DJ is just plain bad for 5 hours.
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| Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds. but what's sad is if you took armin's exact tl and gave it to menno to play, some of you wouldn't have nearly as much fun because you didn't get to stare at armin for 3 hours. others will have their night ruined when the production isn't the most grandiose. one has to wonder, why is it you can't enjoy the music for what it is without the biggest and tallest lighting rig possible? jamesalin, you act like you're the only person here whose "heard a lot of djs". lol. well the way you have your mind made up about all of them sounds like you haven't heard nearly enough. i've heard a lot of djs too, and many of them a lot of different times. some of the best ones i've heard can drag their feet through one set and knock it out of the park the next. much of it has to do with your own expectations being built up too high. if you're gonna spend the next few weeks psyching yourself into thinking this party is going to suck just cause your wet dream team isn't playing, again, then it will suck. but ask yourself this... how much more epic can it get from year to year? at what point are you satisfied? however if you go with a blank slate and an open mind, you just might have a good time like many others there will. none of you have any idea how these djs are going to play in the context of lovevolution. anyone that knows anything about anything can tell you that the context affects how the dj plays greatly. finally, you all need to cut the promoter some slack. please believe from the outset they didn't plan on making deadmau5 the headliner, but that a number of circumstances including dj availability, changing political climate and other logistical problems constrained their options and their timetables from which to work with. the stars don't align for armin/ferry/markus/tiesto/a&b every year. but as supposed fans of trance music, that shouldn't even matter. |
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| Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds. but what's sad is if you took armin's exact tl and gave it to menno to play, some of you wouldn't have nearly as much fun because you didn't get to stare at armin for 3 hours. others will have their night ruined when the production isn't the most grandiose. one has to wonder, why is it you can't enjoy the music for what it is without the biggest and tallest lighting rig possible? jamesalin, you act like you're the only person here whose "heard a lot of djs". lol. well the way you have your mind made up about all of them sounds like you haven't heard nearly enough. i've heard a lot of djs too, and many of them a lot of different times. some of the best ones i've heard can drag their feet through one set and knock it out of the park the next. much of it has to do with your own expectations being built up too high. if you're gonna spend the next few weeks psyching yourself into thinking this party is going to suck just cause your wet dream team isn't playing, again, then it will suck. but ask yourself this... how much more epic can it get from year to year? at what point are you satisfied? however if you go with a blank slate and an open mind, you just might have a good time like many others there will. none of you have any idea how these djs are going to play in the context of lovevolution. anyone that knows anything about anything can tell you that the context affects how the dj plays greatly. finally, you all need to cut the promoter some slack. please believe from the outset they didn't plan on making deadmau5 the headliner, but that a number of circumstances including dj availability, changing political climate and other logistical problems constrained their options and their timetables from which to work with. the stars don't align for armin/ferry/markus/tiesto/a&b every year. but as supposed fans of trance music, that shouldn't even matter. |
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| Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds. but what's sad is if you took armin's exact tl and gave it to menno to play, some of you wouldn't have nearly as much fun because you didn't get to stare at armin for 3 hours. others will have their night ruined when the production isn't the most grandiose. one has to wonder, why is it you can't enjoy the music for what it is without the biggest and tallest lighting rig possible? jamesalin, you act like you're the only person here whose "heard a lot of djs". lol. well the way you have your mind made up about all of them sounds like you haven't heard nearly enough. i've heard a lot of djs too, and many of them a lot of different times. some of the best ones i've heard can drag their feet through one set and knock it out of the park the next. much of it has to do with your own expectations being built up too high. if you're gonna spend the next few weeks psyching yourself into thinking this party is going to suck just cause your wet dream team isn't playing, again, then it will suck. but ask yourself this... how much more epic can it get from year to year? at what point are you satisfied? however if you go with a blank slate and an open mind, you just might have a good time like many others there will. none of you have any idea how these djs are going to play in the context of lovevolution. anyone that knows anything about anything can tell you that the context affects how the dj plays greatly. finally, you all need to cut the promoter some slack. please believe from the outset they didn't plan on making deadmau5 the headliner, but that a number of circumstances including dj availability, changing political climate and other logistical problems constrained their options and their timetables from which to work with. the stars don't align for armin/ferry/markus/tiesto/a&b every year. but as supposed fans of trance music, that shouldn't even matter. |
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| Originally posted by babygodzilla heavy name? when will it be announced? |
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| The lineup I am looking at just stinks of not planning the events lineup early enough or just not willing to spend the money. Yes politics are involved, yes DJ schedules are involved, yes it is an SF rave and not LA, etc... Those factors have ALWAYS been present though. It isn't like the date wasn't known a whole year in advance... |
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| It has very little to do with LA itself, but using their massive events as an example. Those events are staged at event centers, venues, whatever you want to call it. Basically there's a formula to how an event is executed whether it's a music event, a convention, sporting event, etc. All of that is more so depended on the promoter and venue's management. Lovevolution the parade and festival requires the city itself, its epic business center, the management levels of the police, fire and medical, the approval of local businesses and the cooperation of the surrounding buildings such as Bill Graham, City Hall, a historic museum and our public library, the department of traffic, etc. It's a bureaucracy, not only does that have to be all green lights, but the nightlife industry has to be on the same page as well. Our formula drastically changes year to year; police captains change, venue management changes, departments change so our event starts from scratch almost every year. People are so worried about the lineup, they forget there are far more important things like the safety of the people who are attending and the safety of the people who will happen to be there but don't give a shit (like a family visiting from the suburbs wondering wtf is going on) |
Right but you know the factors change every year... That is my point. It is the 6th iteration if it was a nightmare to plan the 5 years before it probably will be the 6th as well. I am not knocking what is done here, just saying it should come as no surprise that there will be surprises and difficulties.
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| It's easy for many of you to say this and that, when all you have to do is arrive safely then start dancing |
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| Originally posted by henryv yes and it's a heavy name. |
i just expect a lineup that is a "rave" lneup.. The djs arent really even house... its just weird shit.... more like a concert......
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| Originally posted by rudypoochris Right but you know the factors change every year... That is my point. It is the 6th iteration if it was a nightmare to plan the 5 years before it probably will be the 6th as well. I am not knocking what is done here, just saying it should come as no surprise that there will be surprises and difficulties. |
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| Oh is that all I have to do? I thought I was paying someone $140 for me and my girlfriend to dance at the afterparty. |
This thread is about the afterparty lineup... I am pretty sure that is why I was quite surprised when you said that all I have to do is show up. I don't think anyone here is complaining about the day party/parade lineup as usually people don't really care nearly as much who is playing during the day, just the fact that you are with 100,000 people and you can hear all types of music and learn is awesome. It is the night party that people are paying to see the headlines they didn't get to see during the day. Thats where people care and that is what this thread is about.
Like we both said though, it is still going to be awesome regardless of the AP lineup, but that doesn't mean people are still going to have gripes about it especially after last year which was an amazing lineup most any house or trance fan can appreciate.
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| Originally posted by R!CH the majority of the comments here are negative because we're dealing with trance fans. most trance fans can be characterized as having one-dimensional tastes (the inability to enjoy other forms of edm besides their island of trance) and dj worship syndrome (a condition where fans become consumed with who's playing rather than what's playing). the second condition is understandable considering many trance djs play quite predictable music. but what makes that even more confusing is why you guys get so excited to hear the same tunes you've heard on asot for months. i dunno i get excited about hearing new music with new sounds. |
i enjoy deadmau5 beats ( =
but he needs to switch up his live shows,
too similar
well said.. totally agree!!!
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| Originally posted by rudypoochris This thread is about the afterparty lineup... I am pretty sure that is why I was quite surprised when you said that all I have to do is show up. I don't think anyone here is complaining about the day party/parade lineup as usually people don't really care nearly as much who is playing during the day, just the fact that you are with 100,000 people and you can hear all types of music and learn is awesome. It is the night party that people are paying to see the headlines they didn't get to see during the day. Thats where people care and that is what this thread is about. Like we both said though, it is still going to be awesome regardless of the AP lineup, but that doesn't mean people are still going to have gripes about it especially after last year which was an amazing lineup most any house or trance fan can appreciate. |
whoever said I wanted Armin instead???? Menno is pretty good as is JOC, I don't really care up or down about the rest of the trance talent on the lineup TBH..
personally i'd like to see better fresher trance talent from the likes of Sean Tyas, Talla 2XLC, Yoji, Alex M.O.R.P.H. etc. So please don't group me in with the Armin, Tiesto, PVD whiners....
point-in-fact. Compared to previous year line-ups, this is taking SF 5 years backwards. Too bad.. It really was SF's only real World-class event worth pushing. Now I'll save my breath for Insomniac parties in LA.
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| Originally posted by DaveT Let's see you have Menno, Andy Moor (between them to can play a lot of the same thigns armin does), JOC, and Jon O'bir. And people are actually complaining about the trance lineup. Amazing! |
i used to have a HUGE banner from the first Love Parade, It was bright green and had that same hearts symbol that vigvigler has as his avatar.
That was my high school though so it got loast in the moves.
But i agree, i am happy not to have PVD or Tiesto, i will never complain about having Armin, he is my favorite artist hands down.
BUT, thats not my problem. I just wanted trance in the main room. OR at least have have huse artists in the main room. But this lineup is soooo wierd! Deadmau5 is the best artist in the main room.... Like i already said, this lineup in not a "rave" lineup
I sit here and read some of your guys posts and it's so evident that it's not even with arguing with you all don't take two seconds to look at the surroundings and everything that goes into an event like this and try to understanding what the hell has been said.
Let me sum it for you ...ala basically repeat what Alain and/or the LE website says, but in more bitchy more direct terms...because this is something where you don't even have to be told the procedure in large part, but just think about it for a few seconds (other than the slowness of the city):
San Francisco, THE CITY, drags its feet a lot of times. There are a lot of politics when dealing with THE CITY, too. First everything for LE itself has to be set. They start right after the last event is over. The afterparty can't even be worked on until EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONE (you can't book DJs when you can't even guarantee the event is gonna happen because you can't have an "afterparty" without an event) and the city just won't grant you permission to shut down SF's main street in dowtown, Civic Center plaza, blast music that you can hear all throughout parts beyond the plaza, etc overnight. From there, they have to book Bill Graham. And I do believe BG has been undergoing management changes and all that. Booking these venues are not as simple as a phonecall. You have to discuss securityk, safetry, logistics, etc etc etc etc. And as a person who has work with some venues in SF (Moscone, Pier 27...for non-EDM events though), it's a pain sometimes.
THE AFTERPARTY LINEUP CAN'T BE WORKED ON UNTIL AFTER ALL THAT IS DONE, I would imagine. It's just common sense. You simply can't call around to agencies and book their top DJs at venues that aren't secured. It's not good business and what happens to that DJ when they think they are set and find out last minute the venue isn't secured and crap goes done. It's a pain in the ass for the DJ and the agency, and the promoters look REAL BAD.
This whole procedure and the amount of time it takes CHANGES EVERY YEAR. If it take one month longer to get everything secured compared to a previous year, THE MONTH ALONE CAN DRASTICALLY CHANGE WHO IS AVAIABLE. DJs aren't going to be put on hold for you and all that good stuff.
And sometimes DJs just ARE NOT TOURING THIS PART OF THE WORLD. Armin is UNAVAILABLE as he'll be on his honeymoon -- even though he starts his US tour 5 days after LE, he's still unavailable for the LE weekend. Tiesto I am sure is politics if there was a shot, Ferry is not in this country. Markus is in South America. Above & Beyond is doin their Anjunabeats Volume 7 launch party that weekend...not in this country. And one of those DJs and move the other trance DJs into the main room and no one here would be complaining at all. But as you can see, logistics just don't line up for those trance DJs to be available.
Anyhow just as much as you might be complaining this year you never know how things might go next year. Maybe things go smoothly and they get everything in order a lot earlier (as things appeared to have last eyar) which would be largely thanks to the city, venues, etc being speedier themselves and have a lot more flexibility in terms of who they can book.
You all act like everyone just dragged their asses this year. It's not like that and has never been. People bust their asses year round to make this event better ever year, and I'm sure it's really insults them when you say the shit you do...I just roll my eyes. Sometimes things just don't line up right...stuff that NO ORGANIZER HAS CONTROL OVER no matter HOW HARD THEY TRY.
If you want to help, think you can help speed things up...maybe you can go to city hall after it's over this year and pressure them to speed up things for next year. how about going to the surrounding business and get all their OKs. Come on, if you are gonna bitch & moan about it all and have all the info on what should be done, why not do your part and help. Instead of bitching & moaning, why not be proactive.
Menno de JOng is an amazing DJ.
Andy Moor has REALLY grown as a DJ the past couple of years (mainly he just seems to be sober at gigs these days and into the music and plays great sets).
JOC & Jon O'bir always blow people away at events they play out.
I remember after MM last year...who did most people I know say who had the best set? JOC. And his set was at like 9pm!
And between all those DJs, you will hear a lot of the same stuff you'd hear from the Armins out there...and mix just as well.
And trance has been in the side room before and NO ONE COMPLAINED after that event was over other than the sound cutting out a few times during Blank & Jones. Ev
cliff notes dave! LOL......
Dave I think most people are complaining of the fact that it appears the trance DJ's will not be playing the main room, instead it appears from the flyer that Deadmau5 and Groove Amanda will be doing it..
I have said it before and will say it again, THE TRANCE LINE UP IS SOLID! Skills and Spundae have done a great job getting those DJ's together, but they should play in the main room.
That is a decision that Skills and Spundae will be doing or have already done. I mean the venue, security and logistics are set, it's now a matter of waiting and seen if Trance will be in the main room or side room..
I believe I went over that part in my post. Again, no one complained about it a few years back after-the-fact when that happened. Markus & Ferry did play in the main room that year I believe, but everyone came out saying the side room was the best room that year...
In 2007, Ferry was the only trance DJ in the main room. The other headlienrs were Sasha and G&D (who were largely non-trance by thend). And the short set by DJ Three.
This year there's a lack of a true trance headliners that the masses would recognize and you can't just shove a bunch of largely unknowns (in the US) in the main room and promote the party off of that.
And you try to book acts like Groove Armada and try to get Deadmau5 booked in the side room of an event like this these days. He has massive events by himselfs...his agency is not gonna let him get stuck in a side room right now.
Again, everything thinks it's so easy. I imagine if they could have gotten a true trance headliner , we would have trance in the main room and the side rooms would have been more house or something. I dunno, I have no involvement with setting up the event!
The lineup and all that fluctuates every year. Just learn the lesson to never base what to expect next year on this years lineup.
as paying customers, dont we have a right to bitch and moan about shit? LOL
Dave, not to be rude, but everyone here understands it is VERY difficult to throw an event and get the best headliners. At the same time I am pretty sure 99.999% of the people don't care that it is hard... they give their $50-80 and expect it to be a good lineup. It was last year, it isn't as good this year, but when all is said and done the vibe COULD be better. Thats all. No one cares how hard it was for anyone to make the lineup honestly. That sucks for the promoters who probably worked just as hard as last year if not harder, but ultimately that isn't the crowds problem. They are still paying the same amount and expect a similar show. That is just how life works... If I buy a sandwich that tastes great one day then go back the next and it tastes bad I am not going to care that it was too crowded when I came by, the chef accidentally poured a vat of mayo in it, etc etc. I just care that the sandwich tastes bad. Skills always does a great job though and the AP is one of the best if not the best dance festival of the year, so I really don't see myself or anyone being disappointed day of.
im only pissed that Mickey Mau5 got booked
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| Originally posted by rudypoochris That sucks for the promoters who probably worked just as hard as last year if not harder, but ultimately that isn't the crowds problem. |
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| Originally posted by rudypoochris Dave, not to be rude, but everyone here understands it is VERY difficult to throw an event and get the best headliners. At the same time I am pretty sure 99.999% of the people don't care that it is hard... they give their $50-80 and expect it to be a good lineup. It was last year, it isn't as good this year, but when all is said and done the vibe COULD be better. Thats all. No one cares how hard it was for anyone to make the lineup honestly. That sucks for the promoters who probably worked just as hard as last year if not harder, but ultimately that isn't the crowds problem. They are still paying the same amount and expect a similar show. That is just how life works... If I buy a sandwich that tastes great one day then go back the next and it tastes bad I am not going to care that it was too crowded when I came by, the chef accidentally poured a vat of mayo in it, etc etc. I just care that the sandwich tastes bad. Skills always does a great job though and the AP is one of the best if not the best dance festival of the year, so I really don't see myself or anyone being disappointed day of. |
I don't know how the permit process works but I am 'guessing' that when you apply for a permit you apply for a certain day; you don't apply for 'end of summer' and see what day the city gives you. Now given that, Dave says you can't plan an AfterParty till the party is set. Though this may be true, I suspect if Skills/Spundae brought out top talent then it will sell out if they called it the "I Wish LoveParade Was Still Around Party". If you wait, of course DJs will not be available because of other commitments; now that we are a little over a month away that is. Feel free to point out that all the top talent is now unavailable, well of course they are.
Brilliant move selling tickets before releasing the headliners. Given economy and all, I wonder if they will sell out this time around. I'm just waiting for the $57 price point to sell out so I can sell mine off at what I paid for...and what is up with the $7 service charge?!?! http://www.eventbrite.com/t/how-to-sell-tickets-online Sure looks like they chose how much to charge for fees and it wasn't enforced by EventBrite.
To me, Spundae and Skills has always been two very trusted promoters in the bay area. Suddenly I have a bad taste in my mouth and that taste says greed.
ONE last thing. I read on another forum that Dyloot said it isn't just about the talent but also the productions. POPSIKLE AND YOUR SPINNING DJ BOOTH SUCKED!!! IT CREATES A DISCONNECT WITH THE AUDIENCE AND NO COHESION/VIBE WITHIN THE CROWD. Nothing like staring at an empty stage while waiting for the booth to spin around...at the very least put so go-go dancers up there.
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