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Originally posted by Subtle How boring wouldnt it be if track never had a break ?

Very; but in the same breadth too much of a good thing is just as bad.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse this has been a very contentious thread and i just wanted to throw in a little anecdote. the other day i was walking through my college dorm (yes, i am literally a child, deal with it) and heard some trance music blasting from one of the rooms. i went over there and said hi to the guy, hoping to strike up some conversation about electronic music. he was listening to the latest tiesto club life podcast, which was a bit disheartening, but i figured that he might have some other favorites. "so, what are you into?" i asked him. "well i love tiesto," he responded. "anyone else?" "uh no not really" "ever hear of, say, paul van dyk?" "uh no. i really just listen to tiesto" this is why tijs sucks. he's turned himself into a brand, a rallying point that idiots look to as the consummation of all things "techno". even in his podcasts, the emphasis is never on the tracks he's playing but on the fact that he is the one mixing it. he doesn't bring people into electronic music, he just brings people into his own little gay fan club and keeps them there. it's utterly pathetic

I can't even begin to explain how close minded what you just said is

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Originally posted by Subtle How boring wouldnt it be if track never had a break ?

Evidently you haven't heard many techno sets.

Break does not necessarily mean breakdown.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Evidently you haven't heard many techno sets.

That is correct, but techno can be a lot of things.

trance was ment for big build ups and breakdowns and techno is just floor to the foor dancing agait its built that way

Trance didn't have build ups and breakdowns untill 1999. Incidently, this is also when trance catagoricly became shit. And every song every released after the year 1999 labeled "trance" is shit, by definition. Every. Single. One.

Trance is supposed to be a loop that lasts 10 minutes, not a song with ups and downs and other shit that is placed purposely to fuck you up.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Trance didn't have build ups and breakdowns untill 1999. Incidently, this is also when trance catagoricly became shit. And every song every released after the year 1999 labeled "trance" is shit, by definition. Every. Single. One. Trance is supposed to be a loop that lasts 10 minutes, not a song with ups and downs and other shit that is placed purposely to fuck you up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUHkssf5iSs (released 2007)

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Originally posted by owien trance was ment for big build ups and breakdowns and techno is just floor to the foor dancing agait its built that way

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Trance didn't have build ups and breakdowns untill 1999. Incidently, this is also when trance catagoricly became shit. And every song every released after the year 1999 labeled "trance" is shit, by definition. Every. Single. One. Trance is supposed to be a loop that lasts 10 minutes, not a song with ups and downs and other shit that is placed purposely to fuck you up.

Is there some sort of competition where people are trying to one-up each other in stupidity and I wasn't informed?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Is there some sort of competition where people are trying to one-up each other in stupidity and I wasn't informed?

No, I'm telling you the opinions I have about trance, opinions that many many many others share.

When ever the word "trance" is mentioned anywhere, if there is anyone in the room who has been around since atleast the early 90's, then the first thing that comes to mind when they hear the word "trance", is how it got killed.

Anyone who joined the game after 2000 is oblivious and likely thinks crap like tiesto is how trance has always been, and they are the ones who always come in with some asanine comment like "some of its good, you have to dig". And of course when they say "dig" they meant go listen to ASOT.

In 2000ish, in that era, it started being possiable to make music with an extremely low income. What happened is that people who hated trance, but liked the "eventfulness" [for lack of a better word] of pop and other short catchy crappy songs, decided it would be a nice idea to release this formulaic pop music that lacked words, and just call it trance [later to be called progressive trance]. As a result those long monotonous tracks were not the "fad" anymore and promptly died out in the mainstream.

There will never been another "We Came In Peace" or "Amorph"

Atleast, that's the history according to me. :P

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 No, I'm telling you the opinions I have about trance, opinions that many many many others share. When ever the word "trance" is mentioned anywhere, if there is anyone in the room who has been around since atleast the early 90's, then the first thing that comes to mind when they hear the word "trance", is how it got killed. Anyone who joined the game after 2000 is oblivious and likely thinks crap like tiesto is how trance has always been, and they are the ones who always come in with some asanine comment like "some of its good, you have to dig". And of course when they say "dig" they meant go listen to ASOT. In 2000ish, in that era, it started being possiable to make music with an extremely low income. What happened is that people who hated trance, but liked the "eventfulness" [for lack of a better word] of pop and other short catchy crappy songs, decided it would be a nice idea to release this formulaic pop music that lacked words, and just call it trance [later to be called progressive trance]. As a result those long monotonous tracks were not the "fad" anymore and promptly died out in the mainstream. There will never been another "We Came In Peace" or "Amorph" Atleast, that's the history according to me. :P

You're so wrong it's not even funny! With all of the stupid things you've said that could be the most dumb.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 No, I'm telling you the opinions I have about trance, opinions that many many many others share. When ever the word "trance" is mentioned anywhere, if there is anyone in the room who has been around since atleast the early 90's, then the first thing that comes to mind when they hear the word "trance", is how it got killed. Anyone who joined the game after 2000 is oblivious and likely thinks crap like tiesto is how trance has always been, and they are the ones who always come in with some asanine comment like "some of its good, you have to dig". And of course when they say "dig" they meant go listen to ASOT. In 2000ish, in that era, it started being possiable to make music with an extremely low income. What happened is that people who hated trance, but liked the "eventfulness" [for lack of a better word] of pop and other short catchy crappy songs, decided it would be a nice idea to release this formulaic pop music that lacked words, and just call it trance [later to be called progressive trance]. As a result those long monotonous tracks were not the "fad" anymore and promptly died out in the mainstream. There will never been another "We Came In Peace" or "Amorph" Atleast, that's the history according to me. :P

Ignorant opinion is an opinion too, I suppose.

There is definitely truth to what he wrote. Trance did change a lot in a pretty short time period. Go listen to this mix and then tell me that trance did not undergo a massive transformation in the late 1990s:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=536248

^ sixofour should love this oldschool stuff.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles There is definitely truth to what he wrote. Trance did change a lot in a pretty short time period. Go listen to this mix and then tell me that trance did not undergo a massive transformation in the late 1990s: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=536248 ^ sixofour should love this oldschool stuff.

Hey, I'm not defending this modern bastardization of trance. There's just this:

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 And every song every released after the year 1999 labeled "trance" is shit, by definition. Every. Single. One.

I agree, that is too big of a generalization. But then hyperbole is sixofour's usual shtick...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Is there some sort of competition where people are trying to one-up each other in stupidity and I wasn't informed?

To be fair, he's actually right about the build-break-drop formula not really becoming the norm until '99 or late '98. If I flip back to Essential Mixes from the mid '90s, the typical "breakdown" in a track, if there even is one, is maybe 10 seconds long. Also, they're almost invariably near the beginning of the track as part of the intro and are normally followed by gradual layering (the typical "progressive trance" style of the time), not a quick drop.

The rest of what you quoted was pretty moronic though, I'll agree.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Is there some sort of competition where people are trying to one-up each other in stupidity and I wasn't informed?

eh?

Im sure Trance would have sounded great by now if it sounded like it did 15 years ago.

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Originally posted by Subtle Im sure Trance would have sounded great by now if it sounded like it did 15 years ago.

Arguably, trance today does sound almost identical to trance from 10 years ago, just more compressed and with longer breakdowns.

I'd say that modern psytrance and (to a lesser extent) techno has more in common with trance circa '95 than trance from 1999-2009 does.

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Originally posted by DigiNut To be fair, he's actually right about the build-break-drop formula not really becoming the norm until '99 or late '98. If I flip back to Essential Mixes from the mid '90s, the typical "breakdown" in a track, if there even is one, is maybe 10 seconds long.

Yep. Even the first two Tiesto Magik mixes (in '97 and '98) are largely free of big breakdowns.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Arguably, trance today does sound almost identical to trance from 10 years ago, just more compressed and with longer breakdowns. I'd say that modern psytrance and (to a lesser extent) techno has more in common with trance circa '95 than trance from 1999-2009 does.

Yes exactly, and there is where all the "whiners" should be looking for music. Instead of complaining about trance they dont like is popular.

1998+ tracks were usually more unique in both composition and arrangement than they are today, while still being "dance" tracks i really think they sounded much better at home than in a club.

Now the tracks makes more impact in a club, but sounds kinda boring for home listening in my opinion.

I prefer progressive house, psy trance or even techno when im out, but for home listening, i love trance and particulary the one spawning in 1998-2003. The melodies where usually one of a kind, which they arent now at all.

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Originally posted by Subtle Yes exactly, and there is where all the "whiners" should be looking for music. Instead of complaining about trance they dont like is popular. 1998+ tracks were usually more unique in both composition and arrangement than they are today, while still being "dance" tracks i really think they sounded much better at home than in a club. Now the tracks makes more impact in a club, but sounds kinda boring for home listening in my opinion. I prefer progressive house, psy trance or even techno when im out, but for home listening, i love trance and particulary the one spawning in 1998-2003. The melodies where usually one of a kind, which they arent now at all.

that last statement is manly because back then big riffs were found in most tracks.

these days tho is all about taking the best part from something and using it in many different places in the track.

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Originally posted by Subtle Yes exactly, and there is where all the "whiners" should be looking for music. Instead of complaining about trance they dont like is popular.

I don't know whether or not you're referring to me with that, but I've never really had a problem with the music (other than the fact that it's been stagnant for 8 years), just the scene. Attracts too many anti-social types who treat it like a show or just go to get fucked up. House is getting like that too, not quite there yet but I'd give it a few more years to pervade the entire scene.

The real "underground" is techno and breaks now, and predictably, techno is starting to move further into the mainstream as more and more disillusioned clubbers flock there from the trance and house scenes. We've almost come full circle!

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Originally posted by DigiNut The real "underground" is techno and breaks now, and predictably, techno is starting to move further into the mainstream as more and more disillusioned clubbers flock there from the trance and house scenes. We've almost come full circle![/COLOR][/FONT]

Most of the artists covered by the beatportal blog seem to be doing Techno.

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Originally posted by DigiNut We've almost come full circle!

That happens with all music. A lot people just don't realise it.

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