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Originally posted by yROMAN I do believe that songs like PvD's "Home" or "For An Angel", Armin's "Going Wrong" or "Fine Without You", Tiesto's "In The Dark" or "Break My Fall" are probably ones of THE greatest Trance tracks ever produced.

A) Troll.
B) Your taste in music is so awful that it is in danger of reaching critical mass and progressing towards a black hole.

It's amusing to see folks 'threatening' to go to t.nu when they do just as much bitching about the Tiestin van Schulzenyonds of the world as anyone here.

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Originally posted by sparkidee Maybe in your eyes but I think his style is still related to underground for one Ive never seen or heard him in the charts (maybe he has but lets face it at least one underground act has had a track shortened and put out into the charts albeit only charting lowly at say... 36 or something?) Quick question: this is a trance forum right? hmmm why are people intent on slagging it just cos it has a "supersaw" effect in it? lol madness that is! I dont care what trance tunes have in them as long as they sound good and dont sound like they have been made on a bontempi keyboard by a 6 year old kid.

My point, exactly. There are no "quality" control people sitting in the warehouses of the record labels, listening to music, deciding whether it is indeed "QUALITY" or not and labeling it accordingly. The only people who seem to do that are those who feel their taste is somehow "better" than or superior to everyone else's. The truth is some people believe that the music they like (whether it's Hip-Hop, Eurodance, Country, Trance, Folk, Electro, Hardcore or whatever else) is great and IS "quality", because - just as sparkidee pointed out above - it sounds good. And they feel absolutely no need to check with the members of this forum to see if they feel the same way. The beauty's in the eye - or, in this case, the ear - of the beholder.

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Originally posted by yROMAN 1. This is precisely what me and most of the others on this forum seem to disagree on: while I do believe that Cascada and such have absolutely nothing to do with quality and/or Trance, I do believe that songs like PvD's "Home" or "For An Angel", Armin's "Going Wrong" or "Fine Without You", Tiesto's "In The Dark" or "Break My Fall" are probably ones of THE greatest Trance tracks ever produced. 2. I still feel it's Trance. Just because it is not obscure, underground and known to an inner circle of 500 DJ's only - it doesn't make it non-"quality", in my opinion. 3. An opinion vs. An opinion, is all it is. I believe "Not Enough Time" by Cosmic Gate feat. Emma Hewitt is THE best Vocal Trance track of 2009, hands down. The two following - in my opinion - would be "Man On The Run" by Dash Berlin with Cerf, Mitiska & Jaren and "Unforgivable" by AvB feat. Jaren. Which I'm sure you'd consider "cheese", because most of the club-goers feel like ripping their clothes off, when those tunes come on. 4. All the DJ's I mentioned (and about half of them are newcomers) I find fantastic. And that's - again - just my opinion. As for the links you posted, I'll check those out tomorrow, for it's almost 4 AM here, in California, and let you know what I think. Cheers.

The problem is simple, actually. You have really shit taste.
If you want to discuss music with people that have the same shit taste as yours, sing kumbaya and do trust falls, then Trance.nu is your best bet.

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Originally posted by woscar The problem is simple, actually. You have really shit taste. If you want to discuss music with people that have the same shit taste as yours, sing kumbaya and do trust falls, then Trance.nu is your best bet.

THIS is the problem, actually - this type of a dumbass response. No one made you (and your fellow haters) an authority on taste. You have yours, and so do I.

And also please forgive me for assuming that a site called "TRANCE Addict" would be ABOUT TRANCE - not against it. My mistake.


[Note to self: this is a total fucking waste of time.]

We're all for trance here. The tracks you've named aren't trance. Trance-pop at best.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Whatever. I doubt that you people wouldn't admit that Armin is commercial even if he was given a prize at MTV music awards.

I believe PvD is actually going to be or already was at the MTV EMAs this year. Does that fact make me like his music any less? Not at all. You call it commercial - I call it popular, you say it is a sell-out - I say it is a success. There is NOTHING noble or cool about being unknown, underground and poor.

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I'm starting to realize why alot of trance producers don't want to be associated with the music they produce.

...which is once again an idiotic statement.

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Originally posted by yROMAN I believe PvD is actually going to be or already was at the MTV EMAs this year. Does that fact make me like his music any less? Not at all. You call it commercial - I call it popular, you say it is a sell-out - I say it is a success. There is NOTHING noble or cool about being unknown, underground and poor.

You're right - there is nothing inherently cool about being 'underground'. However, what you're failing to realise is that 90% of the population have poor taste in music. They like vocals, hate repetition and lap up cheesy gimmicks.

It's not the act of becoming popular that renders a producer suddenly 'bad', it's the knowledge that they can only become popular by being bad in the first place that is important.

Good producers will rarely appear on the radio or television because of this, and even when they do, you should be able to tell the difference.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J We're all for trance here. The tracks you've named aren't trance. Trance-pop at best.

The tracks I mentioned are:
- listed on Beatport under "TRANCE";
- played by all or almost all major TRANCE DJ's;
- played in Armin's "A State Of TRANCE" radio show and/or included in his yearly compilation of the same title;
- included in all sorts of other TRANCE compilations.

[Am I missing something here? Don't think so.]

But most of all - those tracks are the biz. However, if someone feels that those are garbage and chooses to rather play an underground track of an unknown artist during a warehouse rave at an undisclosed location, it's their choice. Let's just respect each other's opinions, without acting like some of us are some sort of authorities on Trance and this obscure "quality" definition. What you feel is quality may sound like shit to me and visa versa, so, keep that in mind.

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Originally posted by yROMAN The tracks I mentioned are: - listed on Beatport under "TRANCE"; - played by all or almost all major TRANCE DJ's; - played in Armin's "A State Of TRANCE" radio show and/or included in his yearly compilation of the same title; - included in all sorts of other TRANCE compilations. [Am I missing something here? Don't think so.]

You are missing something. Trance has moved away from its roots immensely, and even though the music played on Van Buuren's show is still called 'trance', in reality it's far from it.

The video below is an example of what 'real' trance sounds like. It's nothing like what you listen to today.

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Originally posted by Domesticated You're right - there is nothing inherently cool about being 'underground'. However, what you're failing to realise is that 90% of the population have poor taste in music. They like vocals, hate repetition and lap up cheesy gimmicks. It's not the act of becoming popular that renders a producer suddenly 'bad', it's the knowledge that they can only become popular by being bad in the first place that is important. Good producers will rarely appear on the radio or television because of this, and even when they do, you should be able to tell the difference.

Can't tell where you are from, but I live in L.A., where - believe it or not - we don't even have a Dance music FM station. So, with all that being said, I NEVER - literally, NEVER - hear or see any of the DJ's /Producers I like on the radio or TV.

As for the becoming popular by being bad notion, I see it as a question of artistic choice and personal ambition. I don't really think it's good or bad - it just IS, and every artist makes his /her own decision about it. With that come compromises, of course, as well as those who love and those who hate them for it. Which also is just the way the cookie crumbles.

One thing I do want to say in the defense of all the major Trance guys is that at least none of them play the Top 40 remixes, like the Benassis and Kaskades of the world. Nor do they collaborate with rappers and indietronica whiteboys, like David "Top 40" Guetta and - more recently - his [formerly] Trance counterpart, Tiesto.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Can't tell where you are from, but I live in L.A., where - believe it or not - we don't even have a Dance music FM station. So, with all that being said, I NEVER - literally, NEVER - hear or see any of the DJ's /Producers I like on the radio or TV. As for the becoming popular by being bad notion, I see it as a question of artistic choice and personal ambition. I don't really think it's good or bad - it just IS, and every artist makes his /her own decision about it. With that come compromises, of course, as well as those who love and those who hate them for it. Which also is just the way the cookie crumbles. One thing I do want to say in the defense of all the major Trance guys is that at least none of them play the Top 40 remixes, like the Benassis and Kaskades of the world. Nor do they collaborate with rappers and indietronica whiteboys, like David "Top 40" Guetta and - more recently - his [formerly] Trance counterpart, Tiesto.

Armin, Tiesto et al aren't on the radio here either, so let me re-phrase.

People who hold shows where there are 20,000 attendees just in the one city tend to be shit, irrespective of whether they make it to television or radio. There are exceptions, but this is a good rule of thumb.

By the way, when people on here say 'commercial' music, they don't necessarily mean that which is on the radio or has been 'discovered' and overplayed. What we mean is music which is cheesy and appeals to the the masses the same way pop music does. Big guitar chords, vocals, emotional breakdowns, one-dimensional percussion, regurgitation of ideas, et cetera.

I don't know why anyone's arguing with yROMAN. It's clear he simply wants to join an echo-chamber.

Friend, you aren't going to find any active forum that only sings the praises of Tiestin van Schuzenyond -that isn't these guys' fan forum anyway (where any dissenting opinion is promptly deleted).

Honestly, I'd recommend you just stick around here, even just to lurk. You'll end up discovering great music you never knew existed, I guarantee.

And, as already pointed out, there are plenty of fans of trance here too, some of which has been immensely popular over the years. I'm sure nearly everyone here will agree that a guy like Oliver Lieb is excellent, and his Netherworld was one of the biggest prog-trance hits ever.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Armin, Tiesto et al aren't on the radio here either, so let me re-phrase. People who hold shows where there are 20,000 attendees just in the one city tend to be shit, irrespective of whether they make it to television or radio. There are exceptions, but this is a good rule of thumb.

1. This is precisely what me and a lot of others on here seem to be in disagreement about. But. I'm not going to go into another discussion on this, for neither person will change their opinion.

2. Watched the video you posted. A couple things:
- Why does it say 'Techno' something, while you're telling me it's the 'real' Trance?
- Uhm... it is something I'd never listen to and definitely would never spin. It is slow, obscure, minimal and plain boring, there is talking... it's everything that Trance is NOT and shall not be, in my opinion. So, thanks, but I'll stick to my shitty and cheesy AvB, A&B, PvD, etc. - at least their music is juicy and not only makes you wanna rip your clothes off, but actually makes you FEEL. While this nonsense makes me want to go to bed, and not for a good reason. Cheers.

How long have you been listening to trance for?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J How long have you been listening to trance for?

4 years. Does it make a difference?

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Originally posted by yROMAN 2. Watched the video you posted. A couple things: - Why does it say 'Techno' something, while you're telling me it's the 'real' Trance? - Uhm... it is something I'd never listen to and definitely would never spin. It is slow, obscure, minimal and plain boring, there is talking... it's everything that Trance is NOT and shall not be, in my opinion. So, thanks, but I'll stick to my shitty and cheesy AvB, A&B, PvD, etc. - at least their music is juicy and not only makes you wanna rip your clothes off, but actually makes you FEEL. While this nonsense makes me want to go to bed, and not for a good reason. Cheers.

Oh, my.

You just shot yourself in the foot there. Yeah, you better leave. Come back when you've learned some of the history of the genre.

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Originally posted by yROMAN 4 years. Does it make a difference?

Some people grow out of their shit taste. It seems you're doomed to keep yours for the rest of your days. I pity you for that.

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Originally posted by yROMAN 1. This is precisely what me and a lot of others on here seem to be in disagreement about. But. I'm not going to go into another discussion on this, for neither person will change their opinion.

Your opinion will change in a few years. Mine won't.

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Originally posted by yROMAN 2. Watched the video you posted. A couple things: - Why does it say 'Techno' something, while you're telling me it's the 'real' Trance? - Uhm... it is something I'd never listen to and definitely would never spin. It is slow, obscure, minimal and plain boring, there is talking... it's everything that Trance is NOT and shall not be, in my opinion. So, thanks, but I'll stick to my shitty and cheesy AvB, A&B, PvD, etc. - at least their music is juicy and not only makes you wanna rip your clothes off, but actually makes you FEEL. While this nonsense makes me want to go to bed, and not for a good reason. Cheers.

It says 'techno' because the person who posted the video is as clueless as you are.

It's everything trance is not? Read this, you muppet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Love_(Age_of_Love_single)

You're what's wrong with trance music today - people with no clue about the music's history and what it's really about.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Oh, my. You just shot yourself in the foot there. Yeah, you better leave. Come back when you've learned some of the history of the genre.

What does that have to do with anything? You people on here are really strange. I don't need to take "Trance Appreciation 101" to know whether I like a certain track or artist. Knowing the history is one thing and an important one, but, if I hear a tune and I get bored, learning about the technicalities or the historical perspective of it isn't going to make me like it.

We're not talking about whether you like a particular track. We're talking about whether you like trance, and whether you can even hear what trance is.

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Originally posted by yROMAN What does that have to do with anything? You people on here are really strange. I don't need to take "Trance Appreciation 101" to know whether I like a certain track or artist. Knowing the history is one thing and an important one, but, if I hear a tune and I get bored, learning about the technicalities or the historical perspective of it isn't going to make me like it.

Which is fine I guess. After all, it's not like most fans of Garth Brooks ever bothered to check out Hank Williams Sr.

Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously if you decide to remain willfully ignorant of what came before.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Some people grow out of their shit taste. It seems you're doomed to keep yours for the rest of your days. I pity you for that.

Maybe so. But let's compare notes 5 to 10 years from now, when I'll be doing what I want to be doing and you'll still be typing away in your room, bitching how Trance keeps getting worse by the year.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Maybe so. But let's compare notes 5 to 10 years from now, when I'll be doing what I want to be doing and you'll still be typing away in your room, bitching how Trance keeps getting worse by the year.

How old are you?

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Originally posted by Domesticated Your opinion will change in a few years. Mine won't.

Your confidence is cute, but you don't know that.

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It says 'techno' because the person who posted the video is as clueless as you are. It's everything trance is not? Read this, you muppet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Love_(Age_of_Love_single) You're what's wrong with trance music today - people with no clue about the music's history and what it's really about.

Uhm, okay. So, this was released in 1992. Yet, you were trying to prove a point that Trance music has changed and sort of evolved over time. Don't really see your point when we're almost in 2010 and you're posting something from almost 20 years ago to say that things changed since then.

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