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Posted by Slylee on Oct-14-2009 18:31:
lol @ men not knowing if they want kids or not even wanting them. like you're going to do even HALF the fucking work in raising them.
Posted by Arbiter on Oct-14-2009 18:31:
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Originally posted by Slylee
arbiter it would be a shame if you did not reproduce. |
Yeah, I'm definitely sympathetic to that argument, even if ultimately I don't accept it.
I've had the dispute with my brother a number of times, since he's much more pro-biological-reproduction than I am, which I blame on his being a dirty biologist.
My view is that it ultimately comes down to a question of the marginal costs of the time invested in the reproductive enterprise versus the marginal benefits of personally creating biologically superior offspring. The bulk of the time costs can be broken down into two components: time spent finding an appropriate mate, and time spent raising the child or children after they are born. Since the latter can be mitigated in a number of ways, I'm particularly concerned with the former: it may be worth my time reproducing if I can breed my race of super-humans within a generation or two, but if my genes are just going to get diluted and percolate down through the gene pool for a few thousand years before creating a substantial number of more evolved human beings, then technological development will probably make obsolete the ultimate benefits of my reproducing before they even materalize.
At this point I am sufficiently pessimistic about the amount of time I would have to invest to locate an appropriate mate that I suspect that my time is more valuable if spent on more indirect means of influencing the human gene pool. After all, while it is tempting to view my birth as a singular opportunity for the advancement of the human species, the reality is that the raw genetic materials already had to be out there or I would not exist. The key is to increase the probability of the most advantageous reproductive pairings. Although my own participation in the gene pool certainly does that, it is a statistically miniscule contribution in a population of billions of human beings. That's why I choose to devote my limited time to engineering the human population on a more global scale.
It's a noble, self-sacrificing life, but that's just the kind of guy I am.
Posted by Slylee on Oct-14-2009 18:35:
out of curiosity, what would be the perfect "mate" for you?
*edit* are you all doped up on nyquil and mucinex DM?
Posted by Silky Johnson on Oct-14-2009 18:35:
A sterile one. 
Posted by Slylee on Oct-14-2009 18:37:
lol
Posted by Acton on Oct-14-2009 18:38:
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Originally posted by jennypie
A sterile one. |
Posted by Arbiter on Oct-14-2009 18:40:
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Originally posted by Slylee
*edit* are you all doped up on nyquil and mucinex DM? |

I am! That's a good catch, there might be hope for you yet...
Posted by Slylee on Oct-14-2009 18:44:
yea i'm just full of surprises aren't i
Posted by montana on Oct-14-2009 18:47:
yes.
Posted by Echo of Silence on Oct-14-2009 19:14:
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Originally posted by montana
yes. |
Are you saying "yes" you want to have children or "yes" to something someone else said?
Posted by gehzumteufel on Oct-14-2009 19:27:
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Originally posted by Slylee
lol @ men not knowing if they want kids or not even wanting them. like you're going to do even HALF the fucking work in raising them. |
I know exactly what it is like to raise a kid. My sister and I are the ones that were basically the parents for our younger siblings. Yes, I didn't have to deal with the spending money aspect, but I was well aware of it.
Posted by Slylee on Oct-14-2009 19:29:
i was just joking and making a reference to the stereotypical male when it comes to having kids.
we're the ones who have to get up every hour in the night to breastfeed and we're the ones who generally have to feed them and do the laundry and bla bla bla.
going to work to provide for the family > staying home with an infant.
Posted by Silky Johnson on Oct-14-2009 19:31:
I judge women who don't breastfeed. 
Posted by gehzumteufel on Oct-14-2009 19:33:
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Originally posted by Slylee
i was just joking and making a reference to the stereotypical male when it comes to having kids.
we're the ones who have to get up every hour in the night to breastfeed and we're the ones who generally have to feed them and do the laundry and bla bla bla.
going to work to provide for the family > staying home with an infant. |
Ahh shit. I missed the sarcasm.
Even still, I don't want the wife to stay at home if we have kids. I want her to stay at home for maybe a year, but go back to work for sure. The kid will be in pre-school too when he is eligible.
Posted by Slylee on Oct-14-2009 19:37:
yea i'm definitely going back to work when my kid is around 2 and can go to preschool. it teaches them social skills.
and i plan on breast feeding although i've heard horror stories about painfully sore breasts and the babies biting down on the nipple. my mom said the tears would pour out of her eyes when i did that lol
Posted by Echo of Silence on Oct-14-2009 19:38:
Ben, how many children were in your family? What were you? 2nd oldest?
Posted by Silky Johnson on Oct-14-2009 19:39:
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Originally posted by Slylee
i've heard horror stories about painfully sore breasts and the babies biting down on the nipple. my mom said the tears would pour out of her eyes when i did that lol |
That's because they aren't getting a proper latch. Breastfeeding should never be painful.
I spent a whole day with a lactation consultant during my OBS rotation. Was quite the experience.
Posted by gehzumteufel on Oct-14-2009 19:45:
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Originally posted by Echo of Silence
Ben, how many children were in your family? What were you? 2nd oldest? |
I have 1 older half-sister and then 5 younger sisters. So yes, 2nd oldest.
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Originally posted by jennypie
That's because they aren't getting a proper latch. Breastfeeding should never be painful.
I spent a whole day with a lactation consultant during my OBS rotation. Was quite the experience. |
Sometimes they just bite down too. Saw it happen many times when my egg donor would yell "ouch" when it happened.
Posted by Silky Johnson on Oct-14-2009 19:51:
Yeah but that sort of thing should never be an ongoing enough issue to cause continual pain. If your baby is constantly biting your nipple/there is always pain at breastfeeding, you're not doing it right.
Posted by gehzumteufel on Oct-14-2009 19:55:
I don't remember how often it happened. I haven't had a baby around in the family for like 13-14 years. So, while I know it happened, I have no idea the frequency or anything of that sort. I just know it happened.
Posted by SuspicionVandit on Oct-14-2009 19:56:
I'd rather much adopt a needy child.
Posted by Sunsnail on Oct-14-2009 20:05:
Really? I hear a lot of people say that but it seems like a rare thing for people to do. I couldn't see myself adopting
Posted by Banora on Oct-14-2009 20:13:
I'd have children
for breakfast. bwahaha.
Posted by gehzumteufel on Oct-14-2009 20:29:
lol
Posted by The17sss on Oct-14-2009 20:36:
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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
I'd rather much adopt a needy child. |
All children are needy... why not have one with your own genes rather than some creepy outsider when you have little to no knowledge of their genetic and medical family history? Shit man... last thing you want is to end up with one that has the retard gene or a family history of mental illness.... or something crazy.
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