Originally posted by Woonyxoxo
The offchain basslines and the overused vocal chops
But its not like every track made today does fit these stereotypes.
Sometimes I get the feeling people are only looking for these stereotypes. Like every track has a 3 minute breakdown(most are much shorter of course) or a supersaw. Besides that use of supersaws doesn't make it not trance and breakdowns also aren't something new.
The producers must be inspired by Jam&Spoon, I never heard someone complain about that one since the first time I heard it. O, it doesn't count, the breakdown is only 2:30...
C.M. - Dream Universe (Marino Stephano Remix) also didn't have a decent breakdown...
Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-13-2010 21:39:
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
Sometimes I get the feeling people are only looking for these stereotypes. Like every track has a 3 minute breakdown(most are much shorter of course) or a supersaw. Besides that use of supersaws doesn't make it not trance and breakdowns also aren't something new.
The producers must be inspired by Jam&Spoon, I never heard someone complain about that one since the first time I heard it. O, it doesn't count, the breakdown is only 2:30...
Maybe because back when Jam & Spoon released it everyone was not doing exactly the same thing. Which is the case now. I cant tell the difference between the productions of Andy Blueman or the other guys doing the same type of music. It's like they use the same cooking book. Just have a listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcxMV0ixiLA
Pick any track from an ASOT-show. You hardly will tell the difference. Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvrUoeDf8s8
I bet you see the formula. I wonder how many of these tracks will be remembered in ten years from now.
Posted by Trance-M on Jan-13-2010 22:05:
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Originally posted by Chimney
For being an "old-schooler" in trance you really have plenty of misconceptions.
I don't need a hand to count your arguments though.
Verarschen kann Ich mich selber!
Posted by Trance-M on Jan-13-2010 22:07:
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Originally posted by RebeL9
Maybe because back when Jam & Spoon released it everyone was not doing exactly the same thing. Which is the case now. I cant tell the difference between the productions of Andy Blueman or the other guys doing the same type of music. It's like they use the same cooking book. Just have a listen to this:
I bet you see the formula. I wonder how many of these tracks will be remembered in ten years from now.
I'm not denying that, but even using that cooking book still doesn't make it not trance.
I'm lucky I like the formula.
Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-13-2010 22:11:
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
I'm not denying that, but even using that cooking book still doesn't make it not trance.
I'm lucky I like the formula.
Yeah you are obviously not alone since everyone and his uncle and donkey is producing it and the big question is; How much can the market handle? In the 90s goa trance went through the same phase. It eventually ended in shutting down of 90% of all goa trance labels.
I'll give this supersaw trend a maximum of 2 more years.
Posted by Lews on Jan-13-2010 23:42:
Lmao you can't seriously try to compare Follow Me to Going Wrong, can you?
Posted by AY STAR on Jan-14-2010 01:59:
Posted by Trance-M on Jan-14-2010 11:47:
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Originally posted by RebeL9
Yeah you are obviously not alone since everyone and his uncle and donkey is producing it and the big question is; How much can the market handle? In the 90s goa trance went through the same phase. It eventually ended in shutting down of 90% of all goa trance labels.
I'll give this supersaw trend a maximum of 2 more years.
Let's wait and see. The trend indeed could go over, maybe should have been for some years. I agree it has become too much. But since I only select the tracks I like it doesn't affect me a lot. Could be my age and the fact that I'm not confronted with it as much as younger ta's probably are. Despite I like current trance, I certainly don't like all of it, but I'm convinced you have the same with goa. I like some goa too, just not as much as you.
I'm not surprised with the trend. Already had the feeling trance like this would become popular around 1996. I also see it a bit as replacement for the Culture Beat's and Capella's. However these were much more Euro style. I think it was the Taucher remix of Culture Beat's Pay No Mind which shows they were pretty close to nowadays trance. Guess I need to put that one at Youtube some time.
Someone mentioned Eurodance without rap, he should listen some more Eurodance, as also many don't have rap.
Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-14-2010 12:14:
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
Someone mentioned Eurodance without rap, he should listen some more Eurodance, as also many don't have rap.
That doesn't help your argument one bit you stupid, stupid man.
Posted by DancingMonkey on Jan-14-2010 18:44:
Posted by Trance-M on Jan-14-2010 21:00:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That doesn't help your argument one bit you stupid, stupid man.
That fine, cause it wasn't meant to.
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's not even that I disagree with you about the idea that most modern trance is basically Euro-dance without the rapping.
LOL, yes, there were tracks which are close to trance with some imagination, but most weren't and certainly not most of those had rap. Actually the once which were close maybe even didn't have rap at all e.g. Cappella, Sash! or 2Fabiola. Most of these are for the 3rd generation Eurodance.
The first generation indeed had a lot of rap and started around 1990.
2Unlimited, 2Brothers on the 4th floor, Twenty4Seven, M.C. Sar & the Real McCoy etc etc, but these don't give me any trance feelings at all.
But maybe you can give me some examples where I can clearly here some trance behind the rap, because I don't remember all tracks I listened to (but still a lot).
IMO you generalized a bit too much.
I think todays trance is 10 times closer to 1994 trance then Eurodance in general is to todays trance. But I do believe todays trance is sort of a replacement of Eurodance which probably is why it is so popular.
Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-14-2010 21:08:
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
I think todays trance is 10 times closer to 1994 trance then Eurodance in general is to todays trance.
seriously?
Posted by enydo on Jan-14-2010 21:12:
I wanna hear music through TRANCE-MB's ears for like 5 minutes. Just to hear what it's like.
Good example, because that's one which indeed is closer to todays trance. It also happens to be one of the 3rd generation Eurodance. Milk Inc e.g. is too. But Eurodance is much older. But I can't recognize trance in these, which do have rap and are typical Eurodance too:
Fuck am I that old or you guys that young?
Posted by Lews on Jan-14-2010 21:33:
I love Vernon Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-14-2010 21:45:
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
Good example, because that's one which indeed is closer to todays trance. It also happens to be one of the 3rd generation Eurodance. Milk Inc e.g. is too. But Eurodance is much older.
Yeah I know but what does that got to do with it? It's still eurodance and far more closer the typical ASOT stuff than the trance of the mid 90s. I remember all the early 90s eurodance since I listened to it myself when I was younger. I never associated it with trance back then. It was called eurodance and nothing else even back then.
Posted by Schadenfreude on Jan-14-2010 21:46:
can i be stuck in a time machine for the rest of my life too?
Posted by Trance-M on Jan-14-2010 21:58:
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Originally posted by RebeL9
Yeah I know but what does that got to do with it? It's still eurodance and far more closer the typical ASOT stuff than the trance of the mid 90s. I remember all the early 90s eurodance since I listened to it myself when I was younger. I never associated it with trance back then. It was called eurodance and nothing else even back then.
Exactly the same for me. Point was that SYSTEM-J said:
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It's not even that I disagree with you about the idea that most modern trance is basically Euro-dance without the rapping.
Hmm, then probably he meant Eurodance of the 3th generation which didn't have rap, where I thought he meant Eurodance if you leave the rapping away. My fault then? A lot of space for misinterpretation in that line I think.
Posted by Redd on Jan-14-2010 22:02:
I find it funny discogs labels Point Zero as techno. Because if released now it would probably go as just that, due to todays trance being so far off.
Posted by Trance-M on Jan-14-2010 22:08:
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Originally posted by Redd
I find it funny discogs labels Point Zero as techno. Because if released now it would probably go as just that, due to todays trance being so far off.
Gat Decor - Passion is labelled as House, Garage House at Discogs. Yet you can find it at John 00 Fleming - The History Of Trance. That even doesn't have anything to do with todays trance. EDM is the best label Posted by Redd on Jan-14-2010 22:16:
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
Gat Decor - Passion is labelled as House, Garage House at Discogs. Yet you can find it at John 00 Fleming - The History Of Trance.
As also shown by his latest compilation where he put FSOL - Papa New Guinea, he tends to not keep strictly to trance on these releases. Discogs' description is much much more accurate. J00F is by no means an authority when it comes to genres.
edit: but with all that said; the other tracks on his latest comp IS a much better definition of trance than whats on ASOT etc. these days
Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-15-2010 00:12:
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
IMO you generalized a bit too much.
In my opinion you're an absolute fucking idiot who's starting yet another rambling tangential argument in this thread for no discernible fucking reason. I don't give a fuck what you think about either trance or euro because you lack the capacity to think anything worthwhile about either.
Posted by floyd741 on Jan-15-2010 13:31:
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
In my opinion you're an absolute fucking idiot who's starting yet another rambling tangential argument in this thread for no discernible fucking reason. I don't give a fuck what you think about either trance or euro because you lack the capacity to think anything worthwhile about either.
and he likes scooter
Posted by saluyamo on Jan-15-2010 13:33:
