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Guys you are being too harsh here

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley No...I think this makes my comment hold even more water since I was in his shoes a few months ago as far as hardware goes. The guy doesn't even know he needed an interface and you want him to buy an LP and JV? I'm sorry but I think that is very dumb advice. Just my opinion.

Small analog mixer. 2 synths. Connect synth 1 to mixer channel one and synth 2 to mixer channel 2. Connect the output of the mixer to the souncard input. Make patch. Hit record. Real fucking rocket science here.

Stephen a few weeks ago you were on here raving about the korg radias and telling everybody to get a korg radias because it is great. ''I researched a lot this synth is truly excellent'' A few weeks later you sell the super awesome korg radias on ebay and tell people on your auction you are getting out of production and don't need this (hehe) and buy a virus synth. You come here on your second hardware synth like you have discovered america and post as if the virus is the only viable option at that price point when I can name around 50 synth combinations at that price that will completely shit on the virus on every level. A few weeks back you were talking about chaining 2 oberheim matrix 1000 units to make them stereo. Hehe...


This thread would be funny over at the gearslutz forum. On the one hand you would have all these middle aged gear dealers agreeing with you looking to make several hundreds of dollars worth of commission from selling the very profitable software based virus synths (shhhh ) and on the other hand you would get all the people who are building their own synths lauging their ass off hardcore.
I mean you should have got the hint even the folks on the TA boards are calling you a noob.

My new hero has caught the virus bug. World please recognize the awesomeness of the virus synth. And if anybody wanna buy one brand new I'll hook you up drop me a Pm. Hehe.

I'd say get a Juno 106, easier to use than most synths, you can get some fantastic bargains, and you'll be in the 'analogue club' and you can make all your buddies jealous

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Originally posted by Existo22 Guys you are being too harsh here Small analog mixer. 2 synths. Connect synth 1 to mixer channel one and synth 2 to mixer channel 2. Connect the output of the mixer to the souncard input. Make patch. Hit record. Real fucking rocket science here. Stephen a few weeks ago you were on here raving about the korg radias and telling everybody to get a korg radias because it is great. ''I researched a lot this synth is truly excellent'' A few weeks later you sell the super awesome korg radias on ebay and tell people on your auction you are getting out of production and don't need this (hehe) and buy a virus synth. You come here on your second hardware synth like you have discovered america and post as if the virus is the only viable option at that price point when I can name around 50 synth combinations at that price that will completely shit on the virus on every level. A few weeks back you were talking about chaining 2 oberheim matrix 1000 units to make them stereo. Hehe... This thread would be funny over at the gearslutz forum. On the one hand you would have all these middle aged gear dealers agreeing with you looking to make several hundreds of dollars worth of commission from selling the very profitable software based virus synths (shhhh ) and on the other hand you would get all the people who are building their own synths lauging their ass off hardcore. I mean you should have got the hint even the folks on the TA boards are calling you a noob. My new hero has caught the virus bug. World please recognize the awesomeness of the virus synth. And if anybody wanna buy one brand new I'll hook you up drop me a Pm. Hehe.

The Korg Radias is a great synth. I don't know why you would bring that up because I never said it wasn't a great synth? I'd recommend it to any novice (not amateur) looking for a bang-for-the-buck synth. I originally did plan to quit using hardware because I felt the Korg was slowing me down despite its great sound. I checked going prices and saw that I could actually make money (and I did) by selling it, so I went ahead and sold it and can always get another. After selling it I was having a chat with a friend and talking to him about it and was telling him about how the timbre assigning confused me (it has a steep learning curve, which I also said) although looking back in retrospect it's funny how easy it is. This person mentioned a Virus TI Snow so I started digging around, reading articles, yada yada (bored at work) - After a lot of "studying" it looked like a Virus TI is what I needed to get to start so I went ahead and snagged a desktop TI for $1,000 shipped to my front door. So far so good. The way it integrates is insane. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to say that programs like Access Control will become a standard with all synths. Pure genius and to think the technology really isn't even that new! It sounds great so no complaints there. It has not failed me in anything I've tried to do yet. I prefer the knobs much more versus the radias as they are big and I have big hands. The only thing I think could be better would be a higher resolution screen. Don't get me wrong, you can read it without a problem but a little LCD would be nice. Oh and the ring mod on the Radias seemed much more powerful than the ring mod on the TI but I still need to play with it more.

Yea, I am still considering chaining two MX 1000's to create a stereo FIELD. Wanna know why? Because I have the interface to do it and I know how, but guess what. This isn't about me and my purchases. It's about Robby which some people are having a really hard time grasping. Do not mistake my plea for Robby to get a Virus because I think the Virus is better than the Radias. You are making that inclination and it has nothing to do with it. Again, you don't get it. It's not about me. It's about what is best for Robby. You STILL have not offered up a better solution.

50 synths huh? Go ahead and start naming what would be a better beginning synth for Robby than a Virus TI Snow. I've been asking and waiting for an answer to this question for quite some time now.

one of the reasons he went for Virus is because of its TI/USB function which eliminate the whole audio-interface need. At start he wanted a Nord but discovered he would need an interface too if he went that way. Id rather get a nord compared to a little phatty because moogs are damn limited. But they connect the same way, through an interface which he didnt want ATM and i totaly understand that. Midi sucks ass, its a technology from the 70s and should be fucking replaced by USB on all synths ASAP (or in addition ofcourse, case u wanna sync with other stuff that a computer). One of the biggest reasons i got rid of all my hardware was because of midi. It felt like i was operating a 1950-army-radio.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Maybe you should get a new computer monitor instead and pay Lolo for some lessons instead. Maybe he can help with that crappy sounding synth problem.

you will get much more out of paying lolo for lessons than wasting it ona synth

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley The way it integrates is insane. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to say that programs like Access Control will become a standard with all synths.

hehe... The access control is just a small part of the emagic soundriver editor librarian. The licenced it from them before apple bought off emagic. What a pure genious an editor librarian program is to somebody who just discovered the concept. I was amazed too back in the day when I connected the jx-8p and I could use the mouse to control it with out the pg 800. Before that I used to go in the enviroment to create a custom sysex controller for each of the parameter of any of my outboard synths.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Pure genius and to think the technology really isn't even that new!

No shit. It is called an editor librarian and editor librarians have been around trust me.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Yea, I am still considering chaining two MX 1000's to create a stereo FIELD. Wanna know why? Because I have the interface to do it and I know how.

A stereo field with a stereo oberheim matrix 1000?
hehehe. It's not your fault.
Synths back in the day had one output. You would hook that out to a mixer and track it. Around the early 80s the dx7 came about that was an all digital synth. It took over the whole market because it was so much more profitable than the 70s discrete analog synths. So manufacturers started producing synths with all digital components to save money making them. This prety much ended the great era of analog synths and now the old discete analogs are demanding rediculous amounts of money on the second hand market. There was one problem though. It just did not sound right. So to cover up the fact that the synth had an overall weak sound and sounded flat and tiny they would add all sorts of effects to the output section to try and make things sound a bit better. Well stereo based effects need a stereo output. That is where the stereo output came to be. You do not create a stereo field with the synth noob you place the synth in the stereo field in the mixing stage or double it to make it wider but I don't expect a noob on his second synth to know any of that so I am not going to go hard on you here. After all it would be way too cynical to suggest you buy 5 matrix 1000 units to create a 5.1 souround synth.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley 50 synths huh? Go ahead and start naming what would be a better beginning synth for Robby than a Virus TI Snow. I've been asking and waiting for an answer to this question for quite some time now.

I will start with the nord lead he was considering.
Yes nords have a better digital sound engine than the virus synths.
They also come with a nice knob pannel to tweak the parameters hands on instead of a box with flashy lights and no expensive knob pannel.
Give me that over the virus any day.
A dave smith synth.
A mogue rogue and a juno 106.
A korg mono poly and a jv 1080
A ittle phatty and a roland jv 2080
An emu 6400 ultra and a s electronics synth.
I could go on forever naming synths keyboars sound modules that represent a far greater value for $1000 than the access virus synth no knobs version but I make good money selling them so if any of you want one hit me up and I'll hook you up.

If the late 90s early 00s fx overload PPK-tatu-all-the-things-she-said-all-the-things-she-said sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1agzp_PM-Z4is is something you like, a virus synth would fit the bill quite nicely just don't come on here and present it as the only sane option and insult the people who know a thing or two more than you about how these things are made. You seem to know it all so I will bow out this thread and let you the expert have the last word.

Robby congrats on your new synth.
I hope it helps you get the sound you are after

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Originally posted by Existo22 hehe... The access control is just a small part of the emagic soundriver editor librarian. The licenced it from them before apple bought off emagic. What a pure genious an editor librarian program is to somebody who just discovered the concept. I was amazed too back in the day when I connected the jx-8p and I could use the mouse to control it with out the pg 800. Before that I used to go in the enviroment to create a custom sysex controller for each of the parameter of any of my outboard synths. No shit. It is called an editor librarian and editor librarians have been around trust me. A stereo field with a stereo oberheim matrix 1000? hehehe. It's not your fault. Synths back in the day had one output. You would hook that out to a mixer and track it. Around the early 80s the dx7 came about that was an all digital synth. It took over the whole market because it was so much more profitable than the 70s discrete analog synths. So manufacturers started producing synths with all digital components to save money making them. This prety much ended the great era of analog synths and now the old discete analogs are demanding rediculous amounts of money on the second hand market. There was one prolem though. It just did not sound right. So to cover up the fact that the synth had an overall weak sound and sounded flat and tiny they would add all sorts of effects to the output section to try and make things sound a bit better. Well stereo based effects need a stereo output. That is where the stereo output came to be. You do not create a stereo field with the synth noob you place the synth in the stereo field in the mixing stage or double it to make it wider but I don't expect a noob on his second synth to know any of that so I am not going to go hard on you here. After all it would be way too cynical to suggest you buy 5 matrix 1000 units to create a 5.1 souround synth. I will start with the nord lead he was considering. Yes nords have a better digital sound engine than the virus synths. They also come with a nice knob pannel to tweak the parameters hands on instead of a box with flashy lights and no expensive knob pannel. Give me that over the virus any day. A dave smith synth. A mogue rogue and a juno 106. A korg mono poly and a jv 1080 A ittle phatty and a roland jv 2080 An emu 6400 ultra and a s electronics synth. I could go on forever naming synths keyboars sound modules that represent a far greater value for $1000 than the access virus synth no knobs version but I make good money selling them so if any of you want one hit me up and I'll hook you up. If the late 90s early 00s fx overload PPK-tatu-all-the-things-she-said-all-the-things-she-said sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1agzp_PM-Z4is is something you like, a virus synth would fit the bill quite nicely just don't come on here and present it as the only sane option and insult the people who know a thing or two more than you about how these things are made. You seem to know it all so I will bow out this thread and let you the expert have the last word. Robby congrats on your new synth. I hope it helps you get the sound you are after

So wait, what do you do for a living?

You sell synths? "I make good money selling them".

In general psychology, thats called personal incentive, and I'm wondering now if you just don't sell virus's, orrr do you? (thats the most relevant question I think anyone could ask you at this point) You have reason for monetary gain in this thread, I don't, nor does Steve, and along those guidelines, I do not trust you at all or have a shred of faith in anything you say about your subjective interpretations of synths. YOU ARE A SALESMAN. You basically just plugged youself.

I have heard a 2 of Dave Smiths synths, they're nice but lack in the lead sound I strive for.
Korgs have never impressed me, I see no benefit for trance in anyway with a Korg. Little phattys are nice, but still, where are my leads and pads? The virus has phat, bright lush pads, I never heard those on a phatty before.

Maybe I haven't had the opportunity you have, to put in the time you have, but I love the virus. It sounds "right" to me. Maybe I fell into some overhype, I'm not sure what you're point is.
But so far you've ended 2 of your comments saying you hope the virus helps me reach the sound I'm after.
And if you read in my first post, thats not what this was about (getting the virus to make my sounds better). Even if the virus did make a sound brighter or lusher, the general melody, mix, and skills I've acquired since coming into production ARE whats going to determine whether I get closer to the sound I want in the end.

So thanks, but no thanks.

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Maybe I fell into some overhype.

Maybe you did. But I don't care.
I got no dog in this race. Bye now. I am out. Enjoy your new synth

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Originally posted by Existo22 Maybe you did. But I don't care. I got no dog in this race. Bye now. I am out. Enjoy your new synth

Thank you =]

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Yea, I am still considering chaining two MX 1000's to create a stereo FIELD. Wanna know why? Because I have the interface to do it and I know how, but guess what.

Lots of people make the mistake of trying to mix loads of stereo instruments in the mix, try tracking in mono, panning/doubling/delay and reverb should give you your 'stereo field', its easier to mix mono files(with a couple of stereo files), than a big wash of stereo instruments, your mix will have no depth and little clarity.

that is all

lol its funny because you know when Robby starts a thread its going to be 10+ pages in just a few days, if not a few hours.

His threads are the only ones that consistently reach 10+ pages everytime.

I just spent a couple of hours listening to various audio demos and sounds from the Virus and Nords and I have to say, I'm shocked you chose the Virus. The Nord has such a raw and beautiful sound, especially the 2/2x. Fuck it, I'm gonna buy the rack!

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Originally posted by Ry Thomas Lots of people make the mistake of trying to mix loads of stereo instruments in the mix, try tracking in mono, panning/doubling/delay and reverb should give you your 'stereo field', its easier to mix mono files(with a couple of stereo files), than a big wash of stereo instruments, your mix will have no depth and little clarity. that is all

Maybe I'm not getting my point across here...........

2 mx1000's

1 mx1000 on one track, 1 on the other. Take a send and send a widening/stereo effect to each track and wet it to desire.

You now have 12 analog voices for around $600 and they are not sounding like the original mono synth if it were on its own.

This isn't rocket science guys. I got this idea from somebody else who had done it and said it was a beast. I don't see what the problem is here and why people want to debate what I said above. You can't debate that because everybody knows its not just possible but most likely very kick ass.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Yea, I am still considering chaining two MX 1000's to create a stereo FIELD. Wanna know why? Because I have the interface to do it and I know how, but guess what. This isn't about me and my purchases. It's about Robby

well why did you post it then, of course you're going to get people reply

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Originally posted by Ry Thomas well why did you post it then, of course you're going to get people reply

Read carefully and see who brought the topic up.......

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Read carefully and see who brought the topic up.......

yeah, like i say, why post something if you didnt want people to read/comment about it

Tits your signature is big. You know it doesn't meet the TA signature requirements right?

TRANCE

keyboards are the way to go but the question you have to ask yourself is can you play....cau if you dont know scales and chords you are going to get bored of ure keyboard very very quickly and load up a vst and open up a piano roll etc etc.... for me keyboards are trance... up until about 2004 very one had keyboards and trance was magical.. now its all vsts....
I cant honestly put my finger on it but there is something that keyboards add to the music...it maybe being a faction of a second early and late on notes it maybe that you program differently but there is something..... this is my personal opinion...

Isrefel

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Yea, I am still considering chaining two MX 1000's to create a stereo FIELD. Wanna know why? Because I have the interface to do it and I know how, but guess what. This isn't about me and my purchases. It's about Robby which some people are having a really hard time grasping. Do not mistake my plea for Robby to get a Virus because I think the Virus is better than the Radias. You are making that inclination and it has nothing to do with it. Again, you don't get it. It's not about me. It's about what is best for Robby. You STILL have not offered up a better solution.

You made a thread on this already, in which I already told you why this is absolutely moronic. However, you persist (like DJ Robby Rox) in the face of blatant disproof. Let me recap.

1. All synths are mono unless they have stereo effects or filters. Matrix 1000s have neither, so they will never be stereo and are purely mono. Do you understand that the difference between a mono synth and a stereo synth is as simple as one of them having a stereo delay effect tacked onto the end? This is exactly the same as putting a delay plugin after the synth. Prior to this, the signal chain is entirely mono.
2. Two mono synths do not create a stereo synth.
3. Two mono synths do not create a "stereo field", they just create a fucked up mash of phasing.
4. Stereo "widening" isn't some god feature to make things sound amazing. Stereo widening is just the process of delaying or modifying the phase of the side channel, relative to the center.
6. (Most importantly) you will never get a "12 voice stereo synth" out of 2 Matrixs. If you had 12 voices active, you would end up with some notes playing on the left channel and some notes playing on the right. This will obviously sound like utter shit and cause all kinds of problems in your mix. Instead, what you will end up with is the same 6 voices playing through two mono channels instead of one. This is exactly the same as just making an extra "in" channel in your DAW. Totally fucking moronic.

Oberheim provide the ability to chain synths so that you can achieve a 12 voice MONO synth.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Maybe I'm not getting my point across here........... 2 mx1000's 1 mx1000 on one track, 1 on the other. Take a send and send a widening/stereo effect to each track and wet it to desire. You now have 12 analog voices for around $600 and they are not sounding like the original mono synth if it were on its own.

Your understanding of synths and basic audio engineering (stereo) is completely flawed.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley This isn't rocket science guys.

...and yet you just don't get it.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I got this idea from somebody else who had done it and said it was a beast. I don't see what the problem is here and why people want to debate what I said above. You can't debate that because everybody knows its not just possible but most likely very kick ass.

Just because someone else did it does not mean it is a good thing to do, it just means there is someone equally uneducated in the world.

Don't listen to me and waste your money. In doing so, you will learn a few things about synths and basic music production. At this point, you will come back to this thread and think to yourself, "fuck, I was a dumbass". Godspeed.

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Originally posted by echosystm 6. (Most importantly) you will never get a "12 voice stereo synth" out of 2 Matrixs. If you had 12 voices active, you would end up with some notes playing on the left channel and some notes playing on the right.

This is correct. If you put it in stereo, it will just be two sets of six mono voices, not "twelve voices in stereo."

Stephen, I'm not sure what you mean about "creating a stereo field" in the first place. Do you mean programming the two synths slightly differently and then panning them? It seems kind of pointless just to have both of them programmed the same, because as echosystem already pointed out if you're going to do that you will either have phase issues or different notes playing out each side, neither of which will sound very good.

I guess you could try detuning them from each other or something. You wouldn't even have to pan both of them completely left and completely right, you could pan one half left and the other half right and have them mix in the middle. It might sound nice but it still won't be a "twelve voice stereo synth," just two six voice mono synths.

Well update:
UPS is a bunch of lazy bastards. My snow has been sitting in some truck 10mins from my house since wednesday night, because APPARENTLY UPS not only doesn't work thursday for thanksgiving, but they don't work black friday, OR saturday. So I get to wait till tuesday now because monday I don't have a minute all day to leave work or school.

This really pisses me off, thanks for the free shipping novamusik. If I knew it was gonna take 7 days to get here I would have gladly paid for priority.
I know its really noones fault, just bad timing for the holidays, but it really is so aggravating to know my virus is sitting in some truck, doing NOTHING, 10mins from my house and I can't do a damn thing about it..

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox UPS is a bunch of lazy bastards....APPARENTLY UPS not only doesn't work thursday for thanksgiving, but they don't work black friday, OR saturday....

UPS sucks. It pains me to say it because I have a family member who works for them, but I go out of my way to avoid doing business with companies that don't offer an alternative whenever possible because they're so damn slow. I've even paid for overnight shipping and it took them 2-3 days to deliver, but trying to get a refund is just a total PITA and not worth the time/frustration IMO.

Not to mention lots of them used trackers back in the day.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Not to mention lots of them used trackers back in the day.

Including yours truely a lot still do

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Well update: UPS is a bunch of lazy bastards. My snow has been sitting in some truck 10mins from my house since wednesday night, because APPARENTLY UPS not only doesn't work thursday for thanksgiving, but they don't work black friday, OR saturday. So I get to wait till tuesday now because monday I don't have a minute all day to leave work or school. This really pisses me off, thanks for the free shipping novamusik. If I knew it was gonna take 7 days to get here I would have gladly paid for priority. I know its really noones fault, just bad timing for the holidays, but it really is so aggravating to know my virus is sitting in some truck, doing NOTHING, 10mins from my house and I can't do a damn thing about it..

Make the best of it and take the time to read the manual. That way when it arrives you will know exactly how it works and can dive straight in.

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