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Re: Re: extreme depression

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Originally posted by R!CH the answer isn't to shut your mind off, but to turn it on to the right thinking. there is no point in dwelling on the past, the future, what could be, what should be, what others are thinking, or what is happening elsewhere. the most important time is here and now and far too often people forget that. what would be helpful to your situation is mindfulness. this is a thousand-year-old buddhist technique for fully absorbing your consciousness in the perfection of every moment as it unfolds. i'm going to paste an email i sent to one of my friends who was crumbling under intense stress a long time ago. read it, understand it, practice it... i try to live mindfully in as many moments as possible, and when i do, i find i am most happy, most centered, and most at peace with the world... Mindfulness is commonly defined as the state of being attentive to and aware of what is taking place in the present. Mindfulness is the process of cultivating appreciation for the fullness of each moment we are alive. It is present-moment awareness. When we are mindful, we are paying attention, on purpose, non-judgmentally. It is an acceptance of present-moment reality. It is the waking up to the fact that our lives unfold only in moments. Jon Kabat-Zinn, founder and director of the Stress Reduction Clinic at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center, describes mindfulness as a conscious discipline that can be explained as the intentional cultivation of nonjudgmental moment-to-moment awareness. Mindfulness approaches are not considered relaxation techniques, but rather a form of mental training to reduce vulnerability to reactive modes of thinking that heighten stress and emotional distress. The result is that stress can be prevented through conscious living. The focus of mindfulness is on the experience. Attitudinal qualities that facilitate mindfulness include the beginner's mind, non-judging, acceptance, non-attachment, and non-striving. Rather than observing experiences through the filter of our beliefs, assumptions, expectations, and desires, the beginner's mind involves seeing things with an openess as if for the first time, without concern for "what if" and "if only". The quality of non-judging represents detached observation. When we simply observe, without adding the mental analysis of the situation, we free ourselves to see things more accurately. We never can judge another person truly accurately. Because we cannot do this, we might as well release our need to judge. Non-judgment is the basis for accepting what is happening. Acceptance is holistic and unconditional. Acceptance means we acknowledge experiences as they are. To bring our focus more into the present, we can simply turn off the mind chatter that is racing through our minds of what is not happening--about the future and past. Non-attachment involves resisting the need to cling emotionally to anything--ideas, events, or periods of times to which we release our attachment. Non-striving implies giving up our need to try to change anything. We simply give ourselves permission to allow this moment to be exactly as it is, and allow thing to be exactly as they are. For just a moment, we are no longer doing, we are just being. When we live mindfully, focusing our attention on what is happening here and now, and allowing ourselves to be totally absorbed in the activity at hand, we become more effective and productive, whatever the task, be it skiing down a tricky ski slope or doing our best on a tough test. The extra mind chatter of future and past and the associated emotions of fear, worry, guilt and anger seem to diminish. As we do this, in as many moments as possible, we begin to understand that there is no other moment in time or point in space but that which is happening here and now. Apart from those rare events of real danger, we live our present moments without any real threat or danger. The present moment usually involves no concern for stress. Stress occurs only when we allow our minds to think of things other than what is happening in our current experience. We focus our thoughts on potential future events, about the past, and about things that might be happening elsewhere. When we associate any kind of pain or discomfort with those thoughts of other times and places, we initiate the stress response as a natural reaction to the perception of false emergency. Mindfulness turns off the stress response and, as a result, facilitates relaxation, reduces stress hormones, and boosts the immune system. Thought-stopping means stopping negative thoughts when they enter your stream of consciousness. When an unconstructive thought creeps into your mind, you can recognize your choice to think, and say "Stop!" In doing so, you replace the stress-producing, negative statement with a positive statement. Although this may take some practice, you actually can change the way you think. Suppose you start to think, "I'll never be able to learn how to use this computer. I'm too old." Say, "Stop!" and replace the negative, stress-producing thought with, "I've learned difficult things before. I can do this." This simple technique works in part because it increases awareness. Consciously analyzing the thoughts that pass through your mind brings greater awareness to the messages those thoughts contain. Thought-stopping also brings an immediate end to negative messages and the resulting emotions that follow faulty thinking. The outcome of positive self-talk and thought-stopping is learned optimism. We have a choice about how we think. Optimism is a learned set of skills. Once learned, these skills persist because they feel so good to use.

love it.

@rich - great post man, thanks for sharing

Re: Re: extreme depression

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Originally posted by R!CH the answer isn't to shut your mind off, but to turn it on to the right thinking. there is no point in dwelling on the past, the future, what could be, what should be, what others are thinking, or what is happening elsewhere. the most important time is here and now and far too often people forget that. what would be helpful to your situation is mindfulness. this is a thousand-year-old buddhist technique for fully absorbing your consciousness in the perfection of every moment as it unfolds. i'm going to paste an email i sent to one of my friends who was crumbling under intense stress a long time ago. read it, understand it, practice it... i try to live mindfully in as many moments as possible, and when i do, i find i am most happy, most centered, and most at peace with the world... Mindfulness is commonly defined as the state of being attentive to and aware of what is taking place in the present. Mindfulness is the process of cultivating appreciation for the fullness of each moment we are alive. It is present-moment awareness. When we are mindful, we are paying attention, on purpose, non-judgmentally. It is an acceptance of present-moment reality. It is the waking up to the fact that our lives unfold only in moments. Jon Kabat-Zinn, founder and director of the Stress Reduction Clinic at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center, describes mindfulness as a conscious discipline that can be explained as the intentional cultivation of nonjudgmental moment-to-moment awareness. Mindfulness approaches are not considered relaxation techniques, but rather a form of mental training to reduce vulnerability to reactive modes of thinking that heighten stress and emotional distress. The result is that stress can be prevented through conscious living. The focus of mindfulness is on the experience. Attitudinal qualities that facilitate mindfulness include the beginner's mind, non-judging, acceptance, non-attachment, and non-striving. Rather than observing experiences through the filter of our beliefs, assumptions, expectations, and desires, the beginner's mind involves seeing things with an openess as if for the first time, without concern for "what if" and "if only". The quality of non-judging represents detached observation. When we simply observe, without adding the mental analysis of the situation, we free ourselves to see things more accurately. We never can judge another person truly accurately. Because we cannot do this, we might as well release our need to judge. Non-judgment is the basis for accepting what is happening. Acceptance is holistic and unconditional. Acceptance means we acknowledge experiences as they are. To bring our focus more into the present, we can simply turn off the mind chatter that is racing through our minds of what is not happening--about the future and past. Non-attachment involves resisting the need to cling emotionally to anything--ideas, events, or periods of times to which we release our attachment. Non-striving implies giving up our need to try to change anything. We simply give ourselves permission to allow this moment to be exactly as it is, and allow thing to be exactly as they are. For just a moment, we are no longer doing, we are just being. When we live mindfully, focusing our attention on what is happening here and now, and allowing ourselves to be totally absorbed in the activity at hand, we become more effective and productive, whatever the task, be it skiing down a tricky ski slope or doing our best on a tough test. The extra mind chatter of future and past and the associated emotions of fear, worry, guilt and anger seem to diminish. As we do this, in as many moments as possible, we begin to understand that there is no other moment in time or point in space but that which is happening here and now. Apart from those rare events of real danger, we live our present moments without any real threat or danger. The present moment usually involves no concern for stress. Stress occurs only when we allow our minds to think of things other than what is happening in our current experience. We focus our thoughts on potential future events, about the past, and about things that might be happening elsewhere. When we associate any kind of pain or discomfort with those thoughts of other times and places, we initiate the stress response as a natural reaction to the perception of false emergency. Mindfulness turns off the stress response and, as a result, facilitates relaxation, reduces stress hormones, and boosts the immune system. Thought-stopping means stopping negative thoughts when they enter your stream of consciousness. When an unconstructive thought creeps into your mind, you can recognize your choice to think, and say "Stop!" In doing so, you replace the stress-producing, negative statement with a positive statement. Although this may take some practice, you actually can change the way you think. Suppose you start to think, "I'll never be able to learn how to use this computer. I'm too old." Say, "Stop!" and replace the negative, stress-producing thought with, "I've learned difficult things before. I can do this." This simple technique works in part because it increases awareness. Consciously analyzing the thoughts that pass through your mind brings greater awareness to the messages those thoughts contain. Thought-stopping also brings an immediate end to negative messages and the resulting emotions that follow faulty thinking. The outcome of positive self-talk and thought-stopping is learned optimism. We have a choice about how we think. Optimism is a learned set of skills. Once learned, these skills persist because they feel so good to use.

Excellent. The present moment is where it's at :P

go kill yourself pussy. nobody cares.

Re: Re: extreme depression

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Originally posted by R!CH For just a moment, we are no longer doing, we are just being.

this reminded me of Brand Goodman;

Brad: You see, folks, we're all trying to please someone else. And as
soon as you're not a human being, you're a human doing. Then
what comes next?

Bart: A human going!




but seriously thats a wonderful mind-set and I agree to it to the fullest extent. if only more of us lived in the moment

weee

TBH living in the moment makes you end up becoming totally lazy and unproductive.

There will always be some level if you have to plan ANYTHING, its dealing with that stress and channeling that energy into resolving whatever you have to do that makes everything work out.

When you got nothing to do though live in the moment, just be prepared that you have to step out of that bubble quite often and if you can't deal with that then you might end up worse off.

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Originally posted by ZeJayMan go kill yourself pussy. nobody cares.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby TBH living in the moment makes you end up becoming totally lazy and unproductive. There will always be some level if you have to plan ANYTHING, its dealing with that stress and channeling that energy into resolving whatever you have to do that makes everything work out. When you got nothing to do though live in the moment, just be prepared that you have to step out of that bubble quite often and if you can't deal with that then you might end up worse off.

that's a very valid point. In the end I think it's all about balance...if you stress too much it leads you down a destructive path but if you don't get that sense of urgency every once in a while you aren't going to accomplish much in life.

I think what Jeff Bridges says throughout this video relates really well to facing ones fears in a positive way (not just within the acting world):

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby TBH living in the moment makes you end up becoming totally lazy and unproductive. There will always be some level if you have to plan ANYTHING, its dealing with that stress and channeling that energy into resolving whatever you have to do that makes everything work out. When you got nothing to do though live in the moment, just be prepared that you have to step out of that bubble quite often and if you can't deal with that then you might end up worse off.

not true. mindfulness is a very active form of mental training meant to reduce your vulnerability to those performance-hindering reactive modes of thinking that heighten stress and emotional distress. you can be very active and productive or very relaxed while being mindful. in fact one of the major benefits of mindfulness besides improved health is improved effectiveness and productivity. mindfulness requires that you focus attentively on what you are doing without attaching judgment, assumption, desire, fear, worry, anger or guilt to your stream of consciousness.

if you are planning something complicated, cleaning out your garage, fixing your car, organizing a filing cabinet, or performing open heart surgery, doing so mindfully will improve the outcome in every instance. you can go to work and complete all your tasks mindfully and in doing so get more done. you can go on a bike ride up a mountain and perform better as a result of mindfully approaching the arduous task.

the point is don't try to accomplish these things while thinking about what people in the other room are talking about, your sick mother, your lost cell phone, that scratch on your car, the idiot that cut you off in traffic, or that fight you had with your girlfriend this morning. worrying about other things while trying to accomplish something else does nothing for you. in fact worrying about what you are currently doing is just as pointless.

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 @rich - great post man, thanks for sharing

when you find yourself in a poor mood, try changing your environment. doing so enables you to change your mood. either go into another room or better yet go outside. if there's sunlight somewhere, seek it out. people need sunlight in their lives and i find that those in depressive states are often spending daylight hours indoors. find a place that makes you calm and happy. for me it's public parks filled with dogs and people, the top of a mountain with a view, or complete wilderness where the only sounds come from nature.

to sustain mindfulness, first make yourself comfortable. good posture opens up circulation and reduces physical discomfort from being still. straighten your spine, focus on your breathing, breath deep from your diaphragm, not shallow from your chest. long exhales act to slow your heart rate and disable the stress response. i get a big release from stretching out as well. as you're focused on your breath, close your eyes and pay attention to the sound of the air around you. appreciate the perfection of that moment for you are safe and comfortable and free.

begin going down a list of things you can be appreciative of having: your ten fingers and ten toes, the ability to walk and run, your vision, your hearing, a full set of functioning organs, your health, your freedom, your consciousness, your memory, the ability to connect with the rest of the world as you wish. know that as you have these things right now, there are millions around the world who don't. appreciate it. when i begin to think about how fortunate i am not to be imprisoned, tortured, paralyzed, comatose, diseased, alone (truly alone as if lost on the ocean or in a desert or as a prisoner in some foreign land), all my petty problems fall into context and i feel truly empowered, the way man dying of cancer would if he were suddenly cured..

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Originally posted by R!CH when i begin to think about how fortunate i am not to be imprisoned, tortured, paralyzed, comatose, diseased, alone (truly alone as if lost on the ocean or in a desert or as a prisoner in some foreign land), all my petty problems fall into context and i feel truly empowered, the way man dying of cancer would if he were suddenly cured..

For at least some of those who feel severely depressed, counting their many blessings will start to lead down the path, "So why do I feel so shitty? What an obnoxious narcissistic piece of shit I am to get so 'depressed' when things could be so much worse!"

JBJ!

weird thread.

sad and full of fucking toolboxes in here being idiots. depression is a tough thing.. i hope this dude is okay. i have a bunch of messages from DA before he committed suicide :\ don't want to see another champ hit the dirt.

edit: year 2010.
sick bump bro

Re: extreme depression

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 has anyone here ever been through extreme depression? if yes are you still suffering from it? how are you coping? if you got out, what did you do? what helped, what didn't? EDIT: thank you all for responding. dont know if any of you remember but years ago i tried 2 times to kill myself and ended up in the hospital both times, (only the old school peeps might remember, vivid boy might). since then i've been on anti-depressants and things got better, i guess the circumstances which were causing my depression didnt change, i had just learned to deal with it better. however now i think it's back =/ i've recently moved and things have been...up and down. the past few days were the worst, i would literally spend every single moment thinking and feeling like i'm in the worst hell imaginable. think of what its like to feel utterly lonely, completely lost, no one to talk to, feeling like nothing has any meaning or purpose, nothing can make you happy, and feeling that constantly in your mind, 24/7...thats how the last few days have been. i feel trapped as if i'm in some sort of prison with a life sentence all by myself on an island and just can't get out. it's really weird and hard to explain. i find that the more i think the worse i feel. my thoughts inevitably wander towards questions about life and meaning and all that deep shit i have no answers to, which just makes me feel that much more helpless. and thats the worst part...the helplessness to change my situation, to really change the way i feel. so today i decided that im just gonna shut off my mind...or at least spend as little time using it as possible. and i'm already feeling better my mind is my worst enemy i think, and the less i use it the better i feel. so for now thats the plan im sticking to. im just gonna feel what i feel and not try and dwell too much on shit that happened in the past, recent or distant. and i think i'll be ok. thank you all

I'm not reading 14 pages of this, only read your original post. Just remember that you're not alone, and at the very least we are with you in spirit.

Hope it makes you all feel better.

if you are going to take your life, do it with some zest and style. Go assassinate a bank CEO or a politician so that your bad fortune can do some good. I mean why not. There are no repercussions so go to town but in a productive way.

Also, try not to eat to much prior and do it in a clean way so that the people that have to clean it up are not too inconvenienced. And make your last statement funny. Nobody likes a downer. Blame fox news or bears.

What ever you do, be creative. Don't go kill students. Retarded, been done and if there is an aferlife, you will not be very cool by the very get go and you can't killyourself there. SO be creative, try to make a positive difference out of your misery and try not to poop too much. nice and tidy for the nurses.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney if you are going to take your life, do it with some zest and style. Go assassinate a bank CEO or a politician so that your bad fortune can do some good. I mean why not. There are no repercussions so go to town but in a productive way. Also, try not to eat to much prior and do it in a clean way so that the people that have to clean it up are not too inconvenienced. And make your last statement funny. Nobody likes a downer. Blame fox news or bears. What ever you do, be creative. Don't go kill students. Retarded, been done and if there is an aferlife, you will not be very cool by the very get go and you can't killyourself there. SO be creative, try to make a positive difference out of your misery and try not to poop too much. nice and tidy for the nurses.

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