Health Inspectors shut down 7-year-old girl's lemonade stand

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Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Aug-07-2010 23:23:

Posted by ModernNosferatu on Aug-07-2010 23:27:

And gay "marriage" is bad ?

Posted by idoru on Aug-07-2010 23:41:

Posted by bas on Aug-07-2010 23:48:

Look at you all. Bickering over something as insignificant as the word "marriage". You should all be ashamed. Do you think that little girl and her lemonade stand give a fuck about this discussion and all the politics you guys have been spouting. NO! Because of a few fatcats up in Washington a little girl's dream of owning and operating America's first ever strip club/lemonade stand/thickkenwyde haberdashery have been crushed. I hope you're all proud of yourselves.

Posted by Silky Johnson on Aug-07-2010 23:53:

quote:
Originally posted by R.j.
Why does it matter? Because it's a tradition we've had for as long as we can remember.

Look, don't take this the wrong way. And I've already said this in another thread, and I won't mind saying it again: I, personally, believe that homosexuality is an unnatural thing. Why? That's another story. But, as far as homosexuals living in society, I don't have a problem with it. Because I do believe in tolerance and acceptance. Nobody is going to change how I feel about that, not any politician, not any law, nothing. It might sound convenient for me saying this, and it is, but I'm in a unique position where I can say what I want about marriage because I'm not a homosexual. It feels shitty, trust me, but I must draw the line somewhere. I honestly feel that homosexuality would taint our concept of marriage. No, it wouldn't bring about the end of the world, but it would it taint my and other's perception of it.

There. You can call me a bigot, but it really doesn't matter to me.

Bahaha, you are such a closet homo it's not even funny!!

Posted by idoru on Aug-07-2010 23:56:

Posted by Silky Johnson on Aug-07-2010 23:57:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
It's just... I got caught up in the rat race of life and... oh God, I'm sorry.

Oh yeah?! *punch*

Posted by The17sss on Aug-08-2010 00:02:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
Look at you all. Bickering over something as insignificant as the word "marriage". You should all be ashamed. Do you think that little girl and her lemonade stand give a fuck about this discussion and all the politics you guys have been spouting. NO! Because of a few fatcats up in Washington a little girl's dream of owning and operating America's first ever strip club/lemonade stand/thickkenwyde haberdashery have been crushed. I hope you're all proud of yourselves.

Haha... way to bring it back. This thread definitely veered off course. Here's an update on the situation though: the County apologized to the little girl and her family for shutting down here lemonade stand.

quote:
Multnomah County�s top elected official apologized Thursday for health inspectors who forced a 7-year-old girl to shut down her stand last week because she didn�t have a food-safety permit.

Chairman Jeff Cogen also said he has directed county health department workers to use �professional discretion� in doing their jobs.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...reprieve_m.html

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
I can see where you're coming from on a lot of points, but I still don't understand why it can't be called marriage. But, whatever. I think we've both done enough for the day.

Righton.

Posted by infiniteJEST on Aug-08-2010 04:12:

quote:
Originally posted by R.j.
I, personally, believe that homosexuality is an unnatural thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolog...ual_orientation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Posted by Lira on Aug-08-2010 04:17:

quote:
Originally posted by R.j.
I, personally, believe that homosexuality is an unnatural thing.

As unnatural as posting your thoughts in an artificially codified system of signs through a complex network of man-made machines?

Posted by igottaknow on Aug-08-2010 04:26:

homosexuality is gay

Posted by R.j. on Aug-08-2010 05:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
As unnatural as posting your thoughts in an artificially codified system of signs through a complex network of man-made machines?

What are you driving at?

Posted by Sushipunk on Aug-08-2010 05:47:

R.J, how could homosexuality possibly be unnatural? The very fact that it exists would surely be proof that it is, in fact, natural in human behaviour.

Posted by Lira on Aug-08-2010 05:52:

quote:
Originally posted by R.j.
What are you driving at?

That if there's anything unnatural about homosexuality, it can't be less natural than what we're doing right now.

Posted by Banora on Aug-08-2010 05:59:

What have you people done to my thread!?

Posted by Lira on Aug-08-2010 06:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Banora
What have you people done to my thread!?

We gayed it.

Posted by Sushipunk on Aug-08-2010 06:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Banora
What have you people done to my thread!?

Are you really that surprised?

Posted by RandomGirl on Aug-08-2010 06:18:

At one time, the definition of a person only included white men. Women and people of colour were not to be considered persons, but more like belongings.

That was the tradition... and the label "meant something". However, it was realized that excluding people from taking on the label was discrimination, and it was changed.

To me, marriage is very similar. Similar to not allowing someone to be called or considered a 'person', you are advocating that people not be allowed to be called or considered 'married'.

person - belonging
married - civil union

Obviously they aren't exactly the same, but the premise is. Saying it's tradition is hobunky because A LOT of stuff has been tradition and we have abolished/changed these things because they were not right.

Posted by shaw on Aug-08-2010 06:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Theresa
Maybe we should just give everyone parachutes, so that way, if someone tries to accuse someone else of not being a person, he can just jump in the air and parachute away to a place where he can get married. Why hasn't anybody thought of this yet?

Posted by Sushipunk on Aug-08-2010 06:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Theresa
At one time, the definition of a person only included white men. Women and people of colour were not to be considered persons, but more like belongings.

That was the tradition... and the label "meant something". However, it was realized that excluding people from taking on the label was discrimination, and it was changed.

To me, marriage is very similar. Similar to not allowing someone to be called or considered a 'person', you are advocating that people not be allowed to be called or considered 'married'.

person - belonging
married - civil union

Obviously they aren't exactly the same, but the premise is. Saying it's tradition is hobunky because A LOT of stuff has been tradition and we have abolished/changed these things because they were not right.

That's one of the best points I've ever seen you make, Theresa.

Posted by R.j. on Aug-08-2010 06:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
That if there's anything unnatural about homosexuality, it can't be less natural than what we're doing right now.

Apples and oranges, don't you think?

Posted by Lira on Aug-08-2010 06:30:

quote:
Originally posted by R.j.
Apples and oranges, don't you think?

Not really. Both marriage and on-line communication are social phenomena, and the fact that you're bringing naturalness to the table has no relevance whatsoever - that's my point. We came up with this stuff, and we're allowed to change them as we see fit.

Posted by infiniteJEST on Aug-08-2010 06:51:

trance is natural

unicorns are natural

Posted by igottaknow on Aug-08-2010 12:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Banora
What have you people done to my thread!?

"When life gives you lemons, make a gay marriage thread."

Posted by R.j. on Aug-08-2010 19:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Not really. Both marriage and on-line communication are social phenomena, and the fact that you're bringing naturalness to the table has no relevance whatsoever - that's my point. We came up with this stuff, and we're allowed to change them as we see fit.

I suppose you're right about that. But you asked me whether or not I thought homosexuality was as unnatural as conveying my thoughts through an internet forum. Aside from that, I don't think it's a question of whether or not we "can" or "are able" to change our traditions, but whether or not we "should", and that's where we disagree.

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