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| Originally posted by kitphillips Have any of you ever gotten an angry PM from him? If not, you're failing at trolling him, and further, have nothing to complain about regarding his behaviour IMO. |
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| Originally posted by cryophonik Sorry you feel that way about me kit, but I'm definitely not sucking up to M4B. I honestly couldn't give a shit about him or his opinions, and I don't take him seriously at all - his whole persona is a giant flamebaiting joke and I discovered early on with him that if you just ignore his rude/arrogant comments, he'll move on to someone else because he's just another lame attention-seeking kid. When I speak of his musical knowledge, well that's just a fact. I don't know for sure, but I believe that he and I are the only two regular visitors here with degrees in Music Theory and I can tell you that his knowledge of classical music is far superior to mine. But, it's not like I really care - I never really was into classical music anyway, and having lived much of my life as a musician, I sure as hell don't envy his job. And if he gets banned or just never comes back, I won't shed any tears. But I'm obviously not making my points very well and it's coming across as ass-kissing. Anyway, for the record, I think he's a giant nuisance and the thread derailing thing is definitely out of hand. But I'm the type of guy who can just shrug it off and I don't get that easily offended. So, I think the problem is that I just mistakenly assume that everybody else can do the same. Sometimes I feel like everybody puts a little too much emphasis on my opinions for some reason and I really don't know why - I'm just one of 100s of members here and my opinion shouldn't carry any more weight than anyone else's. But it seems like I've been called out a lot lately for stating my opinion (and I don't mean that in a "poor me, the victim" way), but maybe I'm just too outspoken for my own good and should learn to shut my piehole? I doubt anybody noticed, but about a year or so ago I stopped hanging out on forums for a few months because I was sick and bored of all the flamefests on TA, KVR, gearslutz, etc, so when I came back I decided that I was going to make a concerted effort to avoid or try to diffuse confrontational situations whenever I have the chance. You guys may see that as "sucking up", but I prefer to think of it as having much bigger things to worry about (e.g., a kid, my future, my job). Talking about music should be a great way to take my mind off those everyday stresses, not make them worse. OK, I'm probably rambling now,... |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery How many names have you gone through anyway? |
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| Originally posted by cryophonik maybe I'm just too outspoken for my own good and should learn to shut my piehole? |
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| Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox sounds like something a 5 year old would write. Seriously do you even know what this sounds like? |
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| Originally posted by kitphillips Anyway, none of that really has to do with you, so sorry if it came off as though I was attacking you, I was just generally saying that I think maybe a few people on here (myself included) have not been as pro active as we could and have made excuses for people who are derailing the forum a bit. |
And, yeah, I agree that being a little more proactive could help.
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| Originally posted by kitphillips I also agree with you about not taking things on the interwebs seriously for what its worth, I've been following the same strategy of laughing off people's stupidity, and just trolling the people who irritate me harder than they troll me. It does work well for me individually, but it feels like this whole forum is just a little TOO light hearted now in a way? As you said, the thread derailment thing is way out of hand, there just aren't any worthwhile threads on here anymore, so I feel like us longer term members (you, RANN, maybe me, Eric J when he drops by) and people who actually care (like kysora) should be working to try to pull things back into line a bit and get discussion back towards production. The longest threads around here are about rubbish these days, and the energy just isn't going into thoughtful or insightful discussion. I just think it'd be a good idea to ban a couple of users lie ortofonchild who just contribute nothing. |
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| Originally posted by kitphillips That said, the way some of you suck up to him is a bit tragic IMO. I'm looking at kysora and even you cryo a little, and I'm hesitant to say it because I respect both of you as posters. BUT I sort of expected you to be a bit more gutsy and tell M4B off a little bit when he gets out of hand. Hanging around saying that we are but dirt beneatht the feet of the great one really just bugs me, you might be dirt but please speak for yourself. |
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| Originally posted by cryophonik Sorry you feel that way about me kit, but I'm definitely not sucking up to M4B. I honestly couldn't give a shit about him or his opinions, and I don't take him seriously at all - his whole persona is a giant flamebaiting joke and I discovered early on with him that if you just ignore his rude/arrogant comments, he'll move on to someone else because he's just another lame attention-seeking kid. When I speak of his musical knowledge, well that's just a fact. I don't know for sure, but I believe that he and I are the only two regular visitors here with degrees in Music Theory and I can tell you that his knowledge of classical music is far superior to mine. But, it's not like I really care - I never really was into classical music anyway, and having lived much of my life as a musician, I sure as hell don't envy his job. And if he gets banned or just never comes back, I won't shed any tears. But I'm obviously not making my points very well and it's coming across as ass-kissing. Anyway, for the record, I think he's a giant nuisance and the thread derailing thing is definitely out of hand. But I'm the type of guy who can just shrug it off and I don't get that easily offended. So, I think the problem is that I just mistakenly assume that everybody else can do the same. Sometimes I feel like everybody puts a little too much emphasis on my opinions for some reason and I really don't know why - I'm just one of 100s of members here and my opinion shouldn't carry any more weight than anyone else's. But it seems like I've been called out a lot lately for stating my opinion (and I don't mean that in a "poor me, the victim" way), but maybe I'm just too outspoken for my own good and should learn to shut my piehole? I doubt anybody noticed, but about a year or so ago I stopped hanging out on forums for a few months because I was sick and bored of all the flamefests on TA, KVR, gearslutz, etc, so when I came back I decided that I was going to make a concerted effort to avoid or try to diffuse confrontational situations whenever I have the chance. You guys may see that as "sucking up", but I prefer to think of it as having much bigger things to worry about (e.g., a kid, my future, my job). Talking about music should be a great way to take my mind off those everyday stresses, not make them worse. OK, I'm probably rambling now,... |
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| Originally posted by Kysora I should probably clarify, I do realize M4B can be annoying to certain people. I can completely understand why people might get pissed off at his arrogance. It's annoying, and there are times when he derails threads. But that only happens because you guys turn the thread's attention towards him. The only reason it gets so much attention is because you guys allow it to, and constantly addressing it and bitching about what is ultimately just harmless forum trolling is inflating the issue to something much, much bigger than it'd be if you guys just shrugged it off like I do. It just seems to me like the people who constantly complain about how much M4B distracts from discussing production are the same ones constantly complaining about M4B's frivolous shit that could just as easily have been ignored. Not to say it's your fault, since technically M4B was the one acting out of line, but nothing he did was nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be. |
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| Originally posted by Kysora I should probably clarify, I do realize M4B can be annoying to certain people. I can completely understand why people might get pissed off at his arrogance. It's annoying, and there are times when he derails threads. But that only happens because you guys turn the thread's attention towards him. The only reason it gets so much attention is because you guys allow it to, and constantly addressing it and bitching about what is ultimately just harmless forum trolling is inflating the issue to something much, much bigger than it'd be if you guys just shrugged it off like I do. It just seems to me like the people who constantly complain about how much M4B distracts from discussing production are the same ones constantly complaining about M4B's frivolous shit that could just as easily have been ignored. Not to say it's your fault, since technically M4B was the one acting out of line, but nothing he did was nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be. |
Can we please stop the psychoanalyzing already?
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| Originally posted by kitphillips Well I think quite a bit of what he's done is very bad actually. But whatever. I recognise that he often contributes, but I note that he only contributes to his own threads and on his own topics. If someone else is trying to ask a reasonable question, he often just derails their threads. He's only interested in being helpful when he's the center of attention and will be worshipped as you were doing before. |
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| Originally posted by kitphillips I also don't appreciate you saying that everyone on this forum is a bunch of wannabe hacks. Which you basically implied in your previous post. FAIL. |
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Can we please stop the psychoanalyzing already? |
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| Originally posted by kitphillips I also don't appreciate you saying that everyone on this forum is a bunch of wannabe hacks. Which you basically implied in your previous post. FAIL. |
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| Originally posted by Kysora I just meant relative to what M4B's supposedly accomplished with music in his life compared to us. I used that as an example to show why he'd get pissed off when people like us start tossing his credentials out the window as meaningless. |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN The only bit I disagree with is Ortofonchild - I don't see him as a negative and actually has always been a contributor in the Dj booth, as well as sharing his DJ mixes which are pretty good at times. |
If someone's got an attitude like this on TA
He probably is this
And with above example i don't mean M4B, as he is just provocative.
To those of you calling for more moderation or lamenting the supposed lack thereof: Ask And Ye Shall Receive, but be careful what you wish for.
Near as I can tell, this thread was a totally unreasonable combination of a fluff question ("What is your favourite song?") combined with a demand for an academic level of discourse, ostensibly so that M4B could establish his credibility, a result that he and no doubt everyone else knew right off the bat couldn't possibly be achieved.
I see M4B trying to be polite and answer the question despite the OP's and everyone else's outright refusal (or perhaps inability) to suggest any kind of objective criteria for assessing the quality of M4B's contribution. I see M4B politely trying to explain that the level of education required to discuss the finer points of symphony orchestration and harmony is beyond what most laypeople (including bedroom producers) have. I see people, predictably, ganging up on him and declaring all of his education and experience to be irrelevant and pointless - even when it's obviously fundamental to the discussion at hand!
I see him snapping at the constant goading, and then I see his brief outburst immediately overshadowed by the veritable orgy of snarking delight from the peanut gallery. Ahh ha ha ha, look guys, we got him to freak out again! Hey, shouldn't the mods ban him for being such an asshole?
So what exactly is it that you want moderated? I guess it's the steadily rising undercurrent of anti-intellectualism in this forum. Richie sees it, I see it, and I'm pretty sure that Cryo and RANN and a number of others here see it too. That's what needs to stop. I'm not pointing fingers but suffice it to say that many people here really need to grow the fuck up.
If you want to believe that education and training aren't necessary to appreciate or produce great music (and who wouldn't want to believe that, if they have very little education or training), then be my guest. Honestly and in all sincerity, best of luck to you, I hope you produce a smash hit as many self-taught producers do. But for god's sake, try to show a modicum of respect to the people who actually know what they're talking about. I have nothing to gain by taking sides, but M4B clearly isn't the one who needs to be moderated here.
Are we clear on this? I think that some of you have gotten way, way too close to this drama, and unfortunately it's my responsibility to be objective. I don't care who's got the biggest ego, I care who is actually acting in good faith. Think about that next time you call for a mod, because if I start suspending people, it might not be the people you expect.
excellent analysis. On top of that, i personally think about half of the audience here is wannabee kiddies, who got th�ir "studio" straight out of the Pirate Bay. It shows because they show as easy the same lack of respect to other forumembers and their accomplishments, as to developers and IP.
For them the forum is a social hang out, where they can display their immature provocative rudeness, just because they can.
Don't get me wrong, i love humor and things should not be to serious all the time, but here things very quickly become a pissing contest, not on content, but just who can shout the loudest (read: is going to be most persistant and rude, untill all others have thrown the towell in the ring) I would like THAT behaviour to stop.
RESPECT is not measure in # of years on collage or amount of $ in your bank account - it comes from deep inside of you, from your heart and state of mind, first you have to have respect to yourself than you can respect OTHERS.
Cheers
True, my point wasn't about being real or rich, as that got nothing to do with it. It's more about the "nu generation" culture.
I used to have jobs on the side, skipping partying, saving up etc in order to buy something, feel proud of ownership en from that having respect for others, as one appreciates how hard it is to get there.
This is regardless of the fact, if someone is musically skilled. The way several people talk here about switching daws, noob / nu generation questions about VSTi's display EXACTLY the lack of that kind of respect.
That's one side.....
The other side is that some of the people decribed above actually evolved towards a "stage II" and now act like superproducer, snipering for questions to jump on, with the sole purpose to be rude and derail threads. For them this forum is nothing more than a trolling playground.
So the question that remains... How many stages are there?
I'm trying up a few loose ends for the contest but I figured I would reply to this silly affair.
The problem with you people is that you stumble on to one post where I am rude and there is a very valid reason and for some reason, you use that one post to validate how you feel about me.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...rder=descending
Take a look at all my posts. You will find me being rude 1% of the time and in every case, I am either provoked or some person is being a douche. You will also find me helping you out answering questions 80% of the time. The other 19% is being incredibly funny or flirting with palm. it is quite obvious this hatred is coming from some inherent dislike which I can only attribute to my career and qualifications which I only ever talk about when asked which then gets called ego. The only time I ever start going on about how great I am is when you start asking me how good I am. I don't have an ago at work as I am the noob working with world renown people. But just like if you were to play with some kids in grade 3 doing math problems and one of those kids, lets call him Robbie starts giving you shit, well you get annoyed. I love kids but it is quite hard to explain to someone that just won't understand. Am I great ? no. Do I know more than 99% of you concerning the entire realm of music. Yes. Does it matter ? no. Have I ever claimed it mattered? No. People ask and I reply.
My remarks concerning the amateur hacks are aimed to that specific demography of talentless nitwits for a reason as they seem to be the ones incapable of understanding that some person knows more than them and has a 27 year head start. These people know who they are. The individuals I respect here know I am not grouping them together. I have no issues with people that are not good. I have issues with people that clearly don't know much always goading me to prove myself. You have no idea how hard it is not to reveal all the details much of it bound by NDA as you would feel quite irrelevant quite fast.
I have never seen such a public display of blowing things out of proportion. I said my bit and I meant it. I was quite content to hang out here continuing to answer and help people but it is absolutely embarrassing having to take shit from some of you. I've earned my dues. I've done my time and that doesn't mean I act like an asshole because I can. The only time that ugly side veers its head is when i'm needlessly confronted with people that I would consider completely new at music trying to undermine opinions with the typical adhominem which is compounded with champagne but I haven't had a glass in weeks. It is really really annoying and I just can't be bothered.
This place has an awful lot of jaded bedroom producers angry at god knows what. Perhaps they are pissed off that they can't get released. Perhaps they hate anyone that is doing better than them. I don't know. I've never rubbed anything in anyone's face unless it was shtick involving tehlord.
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| Originally posted by Storyteller So the question that remains... How many stages are there? |
) troll fest galore, that's what they are waiting for.
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