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Andy Blueman to trance: "Here's the truth, I don't love you anymore, so now you can hate me."

...Not to harp on well-beaten horse's dick ligaments, but as many pointed out - Andy Blueman's productions were... average at best. I'm actually glad he's "retiring". Every time I heard his track I felt like I was about to watch Simba make sweet, sweet love to Timone's protesting rectum and then face-fornicate that monkey with a rainbow-colored face.

His tracks were so sugary sweet I had to check my blood levels to make sure I wasn't turning diabetic. It was quite clear, at least to me, that he was desperately trying to write a score for the dance floor, yet leaving everyone falling asleep... or circle-jerking, depending on the quality of copious amounts of X ingested beforehand.

It's just everything about his music irked me - the cheesy melody, the "over the top" theatrics. I may have not finished a track but at least I have a decency not to play it in public.

Time to rest, Andy...

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos OK i wasn't joking but i recognize Hans Zimmer is still some steps above Blueman: -Theme from the Rock -Gladiator -Pirates of the Caribbean

Didn't they all use the same track or variation thereof? Also +Armageddon too...

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Originally posted by pointPi If you liked Andy Blueman's stuff or found it to be, um, interesting, LISTEN TO THIS, NOW! .

Wow. Thank you. I didn't realize there was a producer I could possibly loathe more than AB... well, perhaps Tiesto... until now.

This is beyond cliche cheese. Shit, this was cliche cheese back in like 1995, before Robert Miles made it popular. Holly crap it's bad... it's like Numa Numa - you can't help but stand in awe of it's epic crappiness.

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Originally posted by aNYthing herp a derp

Mother of God, this entire post is one giant clusterfuck of your own biases being unfairly directed towards a musician. It fucking pisses me off that people can actually go around saying shit like this and actually think they're saying anything remotely subjective, let alone intelligent.

What the flying fuck is wrong with people in this forum. What is so hard about just letting people enjoy different music than you without having to judge them as if they're "below" you for liking something else. Why people considering other music to be "emotionally pre-pubescent" or relating it to gay furry is your own problem, keep it to your fucking selves. Who do you think you're impressing by writing long winded posts preaching on how a style of music isn't good because it doesn't fit what you consider to be good music? How can someone possibly convince themselves that their own musical tastes are suddenly a universal, subjective view on what's good and bad in music? As if anyone who disagrees or maybe likes something you don't like is wasting their time on "amateur" music, instead of listening to what you like, which is the real good stuff?

FUCK THAT. Seriously. I don't like dubstep. I fucking hate every bit of it that I've heard and I can't imagine why anyone would enjoy listening to it. But you know what? I didn't go into that dubstep discussion thread once because I know why I don't like it. It's just not a style I enjoy, it's too based on energy and rhythm and I enjoy melodic music instead. But, you didn't see me go into that thread touting off "why the fuck would people listen to dubstep, this shit is garbage" out of the common courtesy of not being a complete asshole, interrupting a discussion just to be a prick to people because they like what I don't like. Or trying to come up with bullshit reasons why it's inherently bad -- "dubstep has very boring melodic songwriting, what a shit genre". That's what I think but since it's irrelevant and makes absolutely no sense as a reason why other people shouldn't like it, I keep the thread closed and my mouth shut. And considering how that 2010 album list bullshit System-J felt was necessary to make, I'm willing to bet not many other people did the same as me.

You guys seriously need to start paying me and the other decent people around here at least some courtesy. I know this is the internet and you think you're tough shit trying to tell people what to like, but you just come off as some whiny immature douche to me. Get the fuck over yourselves.

fucking hell I'm turning into Robbie.

And that was obviously not directed towards the people commenting on his chances as a film producer from a subjective standpoint. At least you're adding to a discussion instead of acting like some elitist bitch.

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Originally posted by Storyteller You'll see. I'm graduating on a business plan for a record label which has alternative ways of making money with music and alternative ways of spreading it. These two combined will make a unique platform that as such does not exist yet but is very viable. There's plenty oppurtunities out there if one is willing to think outside the box and take a small risk and put in tons of effort. Most labels don't think or take risks and do what everyone else does, in a lot of cases even the effort put in isn't what it should be. I think my label's first release will already surpass the 1000 legal downloads within the first month. The businessplan should be finished this summer and after that I plan on launching the entire thing asap.

Considering that digital downloads are growing exponentially and the success of platforms like iTunes and Beatport being used as good examples, it seems to me like there is plenty of money to be made if you know how to.

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Originally posted by Kysora It fucking pisses me off that people can actually go around saying shit like this and actually think they're saying anything remotely subjective, let alone intelligent.

My PERSONAL view is I'm waiting for someone to find a new vision for uplifting trance - in the same way I'm slightly jaded by over salty, sugary and oil ridden chineese food - I want something new from Chinese food other than salt and oil.

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Originally posted by Kysora You guys seriously need to start paying me and the other decent people around here at least some courtesy. I know this is the internet and you think you're tough shit trying to tell people what to like, but you just come off as some whiny immature douche to me. Get the fuck over yourselves.

This has ALWAYS been TA. It stemmed from MD which has, is and always will be a steaming pile of shit. There are good discussions every once in a while of course with decent posters, but buried amongst shit.

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Originally posted by Fledz This has ALWAYS been TA. It stemmed from MD which has, is and always will be a steaming pile of shit.

What makes MD a "steaming pile of shit?"

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Originally posted by Richard Butler My PERSONAL view is I'm waiting for someone to find a new vision for uplifting trance - in the same way I'm slightly jaded by over salty, sugary and oil ridden chineese food - I want something new from Chinese food other than salt and oil.

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You're not who I was referring to, no worries.

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Originally posted by aNYthing Didn't they all use the same track or variation thereof? Also +Armageddon too...

is all about chord progressions, but all the music tends to be the same, the key combinations that sound right aren't that much

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Originally posted by pointPi Examples are: Using several differnt hooks that supplements the previous harmony, only to build up to one superhook that blows everybody's fucking minds. Before starting the beat, introducing with a few ambient phrases. Airbase uses this for "Escape" for example. Having the lead sequence short and repeating, while the bass and the pads behind changes key independently. Think Humate - Love Stimulation. Slowly transiting from one mood to another, maybe even from one style to another, within one track, without the listener noticing, while also not being too repetitive.

It would be nice if we could go back to legitimate hooks.

(before the thread dies)

I'll be honest the thing that attracted me to blueman wasn't even his melodies. The mans basslines is what initially attracted me to him. Same with Kandi and Nickey. He was just another talented artist imo who knew how make quality driving basslines. And after studying them/trying to create a similar sound month after month I realized pretty fastly that they are not easily recreated.

And if you think so then go ahead and make one yourself and show it to the board. They are articulate, clear, energetic, and layered intelligently. I see a lot of trance that just has the sub and I'm never impressed by them. I'm likely obsessed with running basses but a good one is not easy to make, and blueman spits them out left and right like its a joke to him. Seems some artists avoid them all together because they can't do it right. I know I'm just being bias but seriously, theres a lot more to his music than his epic melodies.

For all the people who dissed blueman in this thread, I'd really really like to see what you consider good trance music. Is it just anything w/out epic melodies? Because thats fuckin lame. Whether or not you think they're easy, or that you know how the chords work, you can't do one yourself, just admit it. And a lot of other artists seem to cop out to the more minimal styled shit. So before this thread ends, I just wanted to say one more time blueman rocks.

And maybe aNYthing can enlighten us on what good trance is as he seemingly became the antiepic spokesperson for this thread. I'd really love to see what nonepic shit you listen to. Would probably put the whole forum to sleep.

It doesn't matter, someone who listens to primarily breakbeat or IDM would probably think Slipstream is absolutely dripping with emotion or something. It's just more than some people are used to which makes them think it's "too epic", whatever the flying fuck that means

And yeah, God I wish I could make basses like Blueman, though I'm glad not everyone can replicate it. If they could imagine how many shitty Blueman clones there'd be, haha. Andy never really mixed up the sounds his rolling basslines used and if people knew exactly what his technique was that really would be the end of unique basslines in uplifting trance. They're hard enough to find as it is.

Thats true you're right.

I think I was just waiting for someone to post a dubstep track so I could tear it to shreds than make fun of their mommy for not showing them what good music is.
But in all honesty I've seen someone tell Blueman directly on trancefix (and ctg too he'd get shit) that his music was boring generic shit or something along the lines. And he said something like "if I started making music with the idea that I could please everybody than Id be in the wrong profession". And I also noticed just because he was posting at their forum, the majority of people would kiss his ass.

I wouldn't expect no different on this forum. When someones far outside your daily reality you tend to judge them with more scrutiny. And if he posted on this forum there'd be a lot of people likely trying to win his respect. People are generally fake like that. Shit I could prob make a new account with his name and aNYthing would be the first person trying to befriend me.
Anyway yeh, it doesn't matter either way.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox For all the people who dissed blueman in this thread, I'd really really like to see what you consider good trance music.

VDM - No Hasitation.

people have no clue what proper trance is but here it is. listen and learn.

I'm surprised Robby even knows of CTG . I used to be on there back in the day too.

Examples of what I do consider to be quality trance:
Vincent de Moor - Crystal Clouds
Chicane - Saltwater
Albert Vorne - Ares (Mac Zimms Remix)
Dreamcatcher - Don't wanna lose my way
Solid Sessions - Janeiro

@palm / ken_lee: Great post of a true trance classic.

Todays (uplifting) trance is just bland. It's heaps of the same but different. Probably a side-effect of it being rather popular. Pop hits are overly similar a lot of times too.

Nice to see how this discussion got out of hand.

As awesome as VDM - No Hesitation is, it's all subjective once again.

"Proper trance"? Give me a fucking break. We've been having this debate for a decade now and it's got us nowhere.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox (before the thread dies) The mans basslines is what initially attracted me to They are articulate, clear, energetic, and layered intelligently. I see a lot of trance that just has the sub and I'm never impressed by them. I'm likely obsessed with running basses but a good one is not easy to make, and blueman spits them out left and right like its a joke to him. Seems some artists avoid them all together because they can't do it right. I know I'm just being bias but seriously, theres a lot more to his music than his epic melodies.

I agree with this. Incidentaly Robbie, on the subject of these perfected trance basses a chap over on the Anjuna forum a while back astounded me. He was an amateur non signed guy who quickly made the perfect trance roller. He used a Dutch synth which I forget the name of but he claimed this his secret weapon. It was a soft synth that came out about 18 months ago but I cannot remember the name. I've searched for you but cannot find it. It was about �100 or so in mid 2009 from memory and I think it was Dutch.

I usualy make the standard claim that it is the skills of the producer, not the tools, but in this case that synth sound was the best I ever heard for trance bass by far.

I'll keep trying to recall the product for ya but my memory for such things is sh1te even though my spatial memory is spot on (I can visit somewhere hunmdreds of miles away and find it again years later without a map).

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Originally posted by Fledz As awesome as VDM - No Hesitation is, it's all subjective once again. "Proper trance"? Give me a fucking break. We've been having this debate for a decade now and it's got us nowhere.

no a genre its not subjective. this track contains everything that defines trance as a genre, i can list them up for you if you want.

if i said it was a great track, which it btw is, it would be subjective, but i didnt. i sayd that thats what trance sounds like. what you guys are listening to is euro/anthem.

is it subjective that heavy metal have fuzz guitars too? think about it.

btw robby did ask for examples. i posted the most perfect example of what true trance is. i can give more too if needed but they all have the same elements.

im just gonna post another one so you youngsters can learn some history:

@4:30 what its all about right there!!

Well, you can't deny genres evolve. What's called trance now wasn't called trance 10 years ago and even vice versa. It's just that uplifting/euro/shit in general is crap, and no that's not subjective .

i deny that they evolve. they die and new genres take from older genres. what you people think is trance is actually something very different; epic eurocheezee. trance is what it is and its dead, sorry u missed it

edit: another one


you might understand why i dont respect andy b�s blog when this is what i grew up with.

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Originally posted by ken_lee i deny that they evolve. they die and new genres take from older genres.

Hey that sounds quite like the story of a fish that swam and died. His offspring started walking on land and then died while his offspring walked on. Either that or it's God intended creation hehe.

yes trance did evolve from like 1990 to 2000, its alot of changes through those years. but then it was over, it could not evolve no more without just being recycled. trance artist started making progressive house, techno or just plain house, while new artists tried to steal the formula from the most known and cheesy trance tracks from 99 (ferry corsten etc), the very tracks that defines the death of trance. so we had a new genre with supersaws only. armin and boys lol it was a sad run from there. at the same time hardhouse and hardtrance appeared and got instant success, leaving proper trance without a crowd. but that died too. it all does, only house will be for ever. dont think its worth to have another round here about this, it has been discussed up and down in MD and no one agrees. but thats how i witnessed it.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Well, you can't deny genres evolve. What's called trance now wasn't called trance 10 years ago and even vice versa. It's just that uplifting/euro/shit in general is crap, and no that's not subjective .

I still like some artists such as coldblue, simon patterson and above&beyond.
Recently the top ten on Audiojelly are all trance - anyone have any thoughts on this? Perhaps audiojelly attracts the trance crowd?

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