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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Whoa, this thread EXPLODED!

I'm off to university right now, but I'll address Enydo here when I come back

Telling drug users to just go overdose already because it indirectly causes other people problems is like telling depressed people to just kill themselves because then they won't be sad anymore. It has a lovely, childlike deduction to it you must admit, but is an ultimately vapid, insensitive, and ignorant urging that utterly fails to address the root of a very complex issue with anything but the most hamfisted of irony.

You cannot and will not ever stop people from doing drugs any more than you can tell them to stop having sex. To do so is futility precisely in the vein of abstinence-only sexual education as AIDS awareness in Africa as supported by the oh-so-lovely Catholic Church. Just don't do it and the whole problem will go away!. You cannot change human nature (to which intoxication and its pursuits are so very much a part of), but sometimes you can change governments.

Cease all of this human nature until the government changes! NOBODY IN AFRICA HAVE SEX UNTIL THE CATHOLIC CHURCH APPROVES THE USE OF CONTRACEPTIVES!

I look forward to reading Lira's post while inhaling copious amounts of STRAIGHT MEXICAN-CARTEL-PRODUCED MARIJUANAS THAT I SURELY OWN AND PURCHASE REGULARLY.

Woe is me. If only I could see the error of my ways and just clean myself up. But I can't. I'm hopelessly addicted. A wreck. My life is in shambles. I don't know if I can pick up the pieces at this point. Even if I were to quit NOW, what then?? I'll have to live my whole life knowing I've actively supported such a horrendous situation.

My stars, Austin! Had you not been slinging nickles at the hemp pushers down in little TJ all this time, that lady Mayor might still be alive!

BLOOD MARIJUANA

Everyone just do acid, it's made in the USA and we can all make awesome cartoons together!

(does MDMA still largely come from the US, or is most of that coming from Mexico now?)

This was a good thread until Austin.

Not quite true. MURDERERS often give a unique insight.

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Originally posted by Lira "The plan"? Stoners can barely repel a stupid law, let alone devise a plan to keep the world's 7th biggest economy down!

DO HO HO HOOOOO!

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Originally posted by srussell0018 This was a good thread until Austin.

Yup.

Oh the IRONY

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Oh the IRONY

Yup.

I dont need drugs to enjoy the power of trance through GOD. Can I Get an amen?

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Originally posted by Lilith You probably should stop buying computers and smart phones then because the Tantalum in them comes mostly from central African countries with human rights abuses and civil wars that make the bad things that happen in Mexico look like a school yard punch up. Then the material gets shipped to China where its refined and processed into the final components under what is essentially indentured serf labour in corporate compounds, because you don't want to pay three to four times more than if it was made to any semblance of ethical standards. Your sneakers are probably made by child labourers in Asia that have to work instead of going to school and getting an education, you should probably stop buying them as well. But you probably wont.

Oh that Lilith, is there nothing she can't do?!

I dunno, throwing up one's hands and just not bothering with any moral battles at all (since fighting all of them effectively would be impossible) strikes me as even worse than addressing one or two of them selectively.

Unless her argument is "There are worse things happening, so how about addressing those first?" But that was not how I read it.

You would!!

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Originally posted by Vector A I dunno, throwing up one's hands and just not bothering with any moral battles at all (since fighting all of them effectively would be impossible) strikes me as even worse than addressing one or two of them selectively. Unless her argument is "There are worse things happening, so how about addressing those first?" But that was not how I read it.

I think it has more to do with the seeming shifting of blame due to association. Those on the moral high horse don't realize that they are not helping anyone at all by blaming drug users for the propagation of misery and crime throughout the world, and Lilith was just issuing examples of how profoundly hypocritical this logic is.

Not only is it hypocritical though, it detracts from the heinousness of the actual murderers and kidnappers, and has no regard for the cycle of addiction that keeps some people as customers. It's victim-blaming to some degree, when the reality is done a great disservice to be so neatly compacted into finger-wagging righteousness.

Medical weed ftw.

I asked my dealer where he got his drugs from he said mexico. I said Good day to you sir. he said the first one is free. I hung back up my jacket

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Originally posted by Miss Pie Oh that Lilith, is there nothing she can't do?!

Good question. I hope she can address these issues, because she seems to have overlooked a few things:

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Originally posted by Lilith You probably should stop buying computers and smart phones then because the Tantalum in them comes mostly from central African countries with human rights abuses and civil wars that make the bad things that happen in Mexico look like a school yard punch up.

Except drug trafficking is an illegal and unsupervised enterprise, so there's a difference between what I'm saying and the example I've provided.

For one thing, manufacturers are legal enterprises that can be prosecuted, and their actions can be supervised by independent bodies (both governmental organisations and NGOs), reason why quite often a PR scandal involving a company comes to the surface, and they're forced to solve the problem. Drug pushers aren't subject to the same processes.

That's why it'd be better for everyone if you guys did your best to legalise drugs in your countries, instead of trying to convince others there's nothing wrong with this.

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Originally posted by Lilith But you probably wont.

I do what I can. My trainers, for example:



Brazil has a very good labour regulation in general, so I trust the footwear produced here. Also, I've been refraining from buying products made by Foxconn for similar reasons, until they sort their last problem out.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Telling drug users to just go overdose already because it indirectly causes other people problems is like telling depressed people to just kill themselves because then they won't be sad anymore.

Except that's not my point.

I'm specifically talking about drugs produced in other countries: If you want to get high, be my guest. Just make sure you know what the chain of production is, because this is trickier than when you buy a legal product.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You cannot and will not ever stop people from doing drugs any more than you can tell them to stop having sex.

That's precisely why I'm saying people should be more careful about what their buy if they must get high. It's akin to saying you should wear a condom if you suspect you're infected with HIV. You know it's more likely to cause problems, how hard is it to just take a little precaution?

Lira, how many drugs have you used? How many drug pushers have you been around? How many times have you picked up drugs?

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Originally posted by enydo Lira, how many drugs have you used?

Alcohol and caffeine quite a few times. That's about it.

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Originally posted by enydo How many drug pushers have you been around?

I've been offered drugs in the past, and occasionally spot people using it in large events (mainly hemp), but I really can't give you a precise number. So eleventy.

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Originally posted by enydo How many times have you picked up drugs?

Never, except for the ones I mentioned, of course.

What about mdma in Netherlands? That's not cool either?

I've heard mdma is safer then alcohol

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Originally posted by Kylle What about mdma in Netherlands? That's not cool either? I've heard mdma is safer then alcohol

If it's produced there, and it doesn't cause any real problems to Dutch society, then I don't see what the problem could be.

That's all well and good to support labour regulation, but your point has been that the consumers ought not support the murderous and oppressive practices of the manufacturers and the distributors. Many international corporations have a repeated and damaging past in this regard, and exploit the people of numerous nations, whether foreign to yours or domestic, regardless of their legal culpability. It's because one of the very elementary components of criminal activity in the first place is advised (ill or otherwise) faith that the criminal will not be caught. Yet you buy their laptops, their ipods, their clothing, their confections, their everything, and somehow feel that you are dignified above drug users and righteous in your condemnation and calls for their death because said companies have a reputation to uphold?

Not a single soul here would claim that drug kingpins and the IMMENSE network of hands that feed them (and are fed) are the only part of the problem. But to claim they are beyond prosecution is laughable, and proves an absence of faith that you oppositely harbour for the oversight of other industries who obviously do their deeds in nations where they can escape not only the oversight of their practices, but where they can exploit the black market that is the underclass of developing nations. Drug dealers peddle narcotics and violence to enforce their economic regulation. Companies like Nestle, Apple, and Coca Cola peddle their products and the violent enforcement of slave labour to optimize their profit margins.

Nobody but you is saying one is more right than the other, as they ought not.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On That's all well and good to support labour regulation, but your point has been that the consumers ought not support the murderous and oppressive practices of the manufacturers and the distributors. Many international corporations have a repeated and damaging past in this regard, and exploit the people of numerous nations, whether foreign to yours or domestic, regardless of their legal culpability. Yet you buy their laptops, their ipods, their clothing, their confections, their everything, and somehow feel that you are dignified above drug users and righteous in your condemnation and calls for their death because said companies have a reputation to uphold?

No, I don't feel either dignified or righteous. I feel fucking afraid because I'm here where we have to deal with all the violence produced by these groups.

The reason why I mentioned people overdosing is because the innocent are dying. If you feel offended because I'm saying something, what does it mean for us that can take a bullet to the head for not saying anything?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Not a single soul here would claim that drug kingpins and the IMMENSE network of hands that feed them (and are fed) are the only part of the problem. But to claim they are beyond prosecution is laughable, and proves an absence of faith that you oppositely harbour for the oversight of other industries who obviously do their deeds in nations where they can escape not only the oversight of their practices, but where they can exploit the black market that is the underclass of developing nations.

What I'm trying to say is that, in these countries, governments can resort to legal measures to tackle this problem. We can't do this with drug trafficking.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Drug dealers peddle narcotics and violence to enforce their economic regulation. Companies like Nestle, Apple, and Coca Cola peddle their products and the violent enforcement of slave labour to optimize their profit margins.

And we should do whatever we can to solve these problems.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Nobody but you is saying one is more right than the other, as they ought not.

Are you really saying that buying a controlled/regulated/legal product is the same as buying something no one is taking care of?

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