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Posted by The Potter on Mar-13-2011 22:26:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
we've been through this I think - First Amendment shouldn't cover hurtful, odious speech


In principle, I get where you're coming from, because I've been wrestling with this question: why should people have the right to not be subjected to physical harm, but not mental abuse? If the intent can be proven, such as the more obvious and clear-cut racial and homophobic venom that is spewed, why should you still be able to take an insult on the chin and have to walk away, but not a punch on the chin? I'm struggling to reconcile the difference.


Posted by E2EK1EL on Mar-13-2011 22:34:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
I was 2 years old, so I don't know hell of a lot - it's not far from where we lived at a time, and since grandpa was part of the local KGB division, we were warned earlier then majority of the local population
I can ask my mom more, but I missed the chance to ask grandpa more questions about what he was told at the time because he died in 97

I just remember my mom telling me that we had the acid rain that day, which killed of our grapes and burned holes in umbrellas

some interesting stuff here - http://www.belarusguide.com/chernobyl1/chernobyl.htm

though ignore the fact that they call it the Belarussian Chernobyl - Chernobyl is in Ukraine


Thank you for sharing & thumbs up to grandpa Funkycrew, he's a hero.


Posted by exraver on Mar-13-2011 23:11:

quote:
I just remember my mom telling me that we had the acid rain that day, which killed of our grapes and burned holes in umbrellas


First of all, grapes in Belarus? I don't think so.

Second, winds were blowing north, north-west after accident, so it was mostly Poland, Scandinavia and north-west parts of CCCP which got most of fallout in next few days.
I was 17 at a time and remember most of it, as it was happening in Leningrad.
There was news about it on TV and people were warned about dangers, but, please, holes burned in umbrellas?
Sounds a bit overblown, doesn't it?

Misska and the rest of russian speaking ppl on TA could read this, actual writings of the guy, who was involved in Chernobyl disaster. Unfortunately it's in russian only.

Как это было. Вспоминая катастрофу на ЧАЭС


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-13-2011 23:22:

quote:
Originally posted by exraver
First of all, grapes in Belarus? I don't think so


Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant was in the Ukrainian SSR (now Ukraine)
we had wild grapes growing on the window of our ground floor apartment which we used for shade in the summer time

chto ty mne rasskazyvaesh chto bylo? I just said we had the rain in my city! we had neighbours running in to get home, the rain was acidic yellow

quote:
Originally posted by E2EK1EL
Thank you for sharing & thumbs up to grandpa Funkycrew, he's a hero.


I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but he was a world war 2 hero.. his service at the KGB began a bit later on


Posted by E2EK1EL on Mar-13-2011 23:34:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew


I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic


I wouldn't be sarcastic during a time or subject like this, he's a hero for saving his friends and families.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-14-2011 01:47:

quote:
Originally posted by E2EK1EL
I wouldn't be sarcastic during a time or subject like this, he's a hero for saving his friends and families.


in that case, thank you kindly we miss him dearly!


Posted by VDub on Mar-14-2011 02:01:

quote:
Originally posted by E2EK1EL
I wouldn't be sarcastic during a time or subject like this, he's a hero for saving his friends and families.


With all due respect to kris and her gramps, a hero in this case would have warned as many ppl as possible. Not just family...

Again Kris, no disrespect to him as I'm sure he was forbidden from spreading the word to too many ppl...

But John is right. This isn't the right place for this discussion...


Posted by jester on Mar-14-2011 02:15:

False Alarm: Another Tsunami is going towards Japan
3-5 meter high waves out at sea.

Plus radiation has been detected 96 km from the Fukushima

Sound of an explosion at #3 reactor. White smoke has been reported coming out of #1 reactor.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Mar-14-2011 02:16:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
With all due respect to kris and her gramps, a hero in this case would have warned as many ppl as possible. Not just family...

Again Kris, no disrespect to him as I'm sure he was forbidden from spreading the word to too many ppl...

But John is right. This isn't the right place for this discussion...


I totally get it Nick, no worries
he was just doing his job unfortunately - I'm not sure if they were even allowed to say anything to the families but he did
messing with the Commies back then was not an option

anyway! I'm sorry for hijacking the thread!


Posted by E2EK1EL on Mar-14-2011 04:27:

Second blast rocks Japanese nuclear plant




There will be a lot of high drama happening at this nuclear site right now. It will be a brave reporter who will want to document it, and braver workers who struggle to fix it. I fear there are desperate efforts and sacrifices being made to remedy engineering problems of enormous proportions.


Stephen
Japanese nuclear plant calls state of emergency

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Second blast rocks Japanese nuclear plant

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CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Sun. Mar. 13 2011 11:37 PM ET

A second explosion has rocked Japan's troubled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, leaving three workers injured and seven other missing, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

A similar blast occurred at the plant's Unit 1 reactor on Saturday.

Yukio Edano, Japan's chief cabinet secretary, confirmed that a hydrogen explosion occurred at the Unit 3 reactor on Monday morning, local time. He said people within 20 kilometres of the nuclear plant were ordered to stay inside following the explosion.

He added that the reactor's inner containment vessel, which holds nuclear rods, remained intact.

Government officials had warned on Sunday that an explosion was possible at the Unit 3 reactor. When it came, it was powerful enough that Associated Press journalists felt the blast from 25 kilometres away.

More than 180,000 people have been evacuated from the area surrounding the Dai-ichi plant.

Smoke could be seen rising from the complex in the wake of the blast, which occurred at around 11 a.m. local time.

The explosion came as authorities struggled to bring the country's nuclear crisis under control, days after a powerful earthquake and tsunami rocked Japan's eastern coast.

Naoki Kumagai, an official at Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said earlier Monday that radiation at the worst-hit Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant remained above acceptable levels.

Three other nuclear complexes reported damage after twin disasters struck the island nation on Friday. States of emergency were declared at six nuclear reactors where cooling systems were knocked out, three at Dai-ichi and three at the nearby Fukushima Daini plant.

But the situation at the Fukushima Dai-ichi appeared to be the most serious.

Radiation leaked into the air on Saturday when steam pressure was released to help cool the Unit 1 reactor. The release caused the earlier explosion that took down the walls around Unit 1, but not the steel envelope encasing it.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano had warned Sunday that a hydrogen explosion could also occur at Unit 3. Operators were trying to reduce pressure and heat inside the reactor, he said, but a partial meltdown was "highly possible."

"Because it's inside the reactor, we cannot directly check it," he said. "But we are taking measures on the assumption of the possible partial meltdown."

Radiation concerns

Officials had said the amount of radiation leaked did not pose health risks, although the assertion did little to ease public concern.

"First I was worried about the quake. Now I'm worried about radiation," Kenji Koshiba, a construction worker who lives near the plant, told The Associated Press from an evacuation centre.

Japanese authorities said they were making preparations to distribute iodine pills to residents near the two Fukushima plants. The pills can help protect against thyroid cancer, since they inhibit the thyroid's absorption of radioactive iodine from the atmosphere.

Up to 160 people who had been waiting for evacuation in the nearby town of Futabe may have been exposed to radiation, according to a spokesperson for Japan's nuclear agency. The severity of their exposure, or if it had reached dangerous levels, was not clear.

Extent of danger

Officials haven't said how high the temperature has risen inside Dai-ichi's troubled reactors. If temperatures reach 2,000 Celsius, the uranium pellets inside their fuel rods will start to dissolve, beginning a meltdown.

A complete meltdown could release uranium and other toxic nuclear byproducts into the environment.

It wasn't clear whether the fuel rods were melting inside the Unit 1 reactor.

Engineers were pumping in seawater to Unit 1 and Unit 3 to control the overheating, a move that international experts say is a measure of last-resort.

The cooling system at Fukushima Dai-ichi's Unit 2 has also failed, but is less affected in the crisis. Three other reactors at the facility are in a safe, shut-down state.

Japanese officials said they would institute rolling blackouts in Tokyo and other cities starting on Monday in order to manage a severe power shortage caused by the inoperable nuclear power plants.

Japan has 55 nuclear reactors housed at 17 complexes.



Check out the new footage of the tsunami ...

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStorie...-sunday-110313/


Posted by E2EK1EL on Mar-14-2011 04:33:

"So far, everyone's cutting back on electricity use has kept the blackouts from being carried out. Proof that each person's small sacrifices can achieve big things."

Friend's FB status


Posted by jester on Mar-14-2011 11:15:


Video chat rooms at Ustream


Posted by E2EK1EL on Mar-14-2011 12:10:

SOMA, JAPAN�A Japanese official says fuel rods at a troubled nuclear reactor were temporarily exposed.

The exposure happened at Unit 2 of the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant � the latest reactor to lose its ability to cool down. The other two reactors at the plant are facing a meltdown and authorities are racing to cool them with sea water.

Fukushima government spokesman Masato Abe said Monday that Unit 2's rods were briefly exposed. Sea water is being channeled into the reactor to cover the rods again.

Abe could not confirm if the rods were ever totally exposed.

Their exposure raises the risk of the reactor overheating, which can lead to meltdown.


Posted by E2EK1EL on Mar-14-2011 14:17:

A Chinese rescue team was in Japan Monday to help with search and rescue efforts in the aftermath of Friday's earthquake, state media reported.


Posted by I_Am_Vince on Mar-14-2011 15:10:

My friend's friend was in Sendai during the tsunami. Thank god she wasn't hurt or worse.

Here are some of her tweets.


"help ! " - During the earthquake

"everyone im fine ! but no food no electricity...! i spent the night in the car its just horrible...kill me!" - 2 days ago

"lots of people lost their house..dead people everywhere..please help us!" - Yesterday

"tsunami took everything away from us...i seriously don't know what to do or say" - Yesterday


Posted by VDub on Mar-14-2011 17:37:

I found this incredibly informative article on the whole nuclear scare...

A little long but a great read here...


Posted by PurpleHaze on Mar-14-2011 17:40:

Vince, I'm really sorry to hear...that's horrible

I read that 1000+ bodies washed ashore Sendai today after getting swept back out to water when it receeded. Just imagine how much more will be found ashore each morning for a while now....

Looks like pumping in lots of sea water into those 3 reactors wasn't the best idea..........the MASSIVE amounts of steam that builds up and needs to be realeased...what happens when the steam valve fails? Build up of hydrogen, and BOOM I think 11 died in that explosion

If those FB quotes re: Pearl Harbour that were posted earlier were real, I feel sorry for them. I Really do!

The thing with the fuel rods being exposed is...no one will know the effects until days, months and years after exposure...

I'm really hoping they contain those reactors and cool them down safely


Posted by infinity HiGH on Mar-14-2011 18:15:

quote:
Originally posted by I_Am_Vince
"everyone im fine ! but no food no electricity...! i spent the night in the car its just horrible...kill me!" - 2 days ago


uhhh...should've stayed somewhere out in the open in front of the tsunami then


Posted by infinity HiGH on Mar-14-2011 18:18:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video...179420&comments

this is by far the most intense footage I've seen of the tsunami. It's really up close. Make sure you watch all 6 minutes of this as it builds from a little stream to the destructive force that it was. Put the sound on if you can.


Posted by E2EK1EL on Mar-14-2011 18:52:

TOKYO (Nikkei)--Pressure inside the Fukushima nuclear power plant's No. 2 reactor fell after pressure-relieving valves opened at around 1:10 a.m. Tuesday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501) said.

The reactor's fuel rods became fully exposed after the safety valves closed around 11 p.m. Monday. But the latest pressure reading suggests that there is some seawater left to cool the reactor, according to Tepco. The fuel rods are still exposed.

(The Nikkei March 15 morning edition)


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Mar-14-2011 19:56:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
http://www.facebook.com/video/video...179420&comments

this is by far the most intense footage I've seen of the tsunami. It's really up close. Make sure you watch all 6 minutes of this as it builds from a little stream to the destructive force that it was. Put the sound on if you can.


you can't help but watch that video and just be in complete silence because of it.


Posted by infinity HiGH on Mar-14-2011 20:27:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
you can't help but watch that video and just be in complete silence because of it.


yea for sure. i can't think of words to accurately describe what i felt when watching that. that first scene when the houses start drifting away in the background is like something out of a movie.


Posted by VDub on Mar-14-2011 21:21:

This video looked like some movie destruction shot...

Scary as hell...


Posted by Sushipunk on Mar-14-2011 22:35:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
I found this incredibly informative article on the whole nuclear scare...

A little long but a great read here...


That was a really good read, thanks for posting it.


Posted by VDub on Mar-14-2011 23:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Sushipunk
That was a really good read, thanks for posting it.


No probs...

I was hoping to find a laymen's explanation to the situation...


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