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Originally posted by EgosXII what was your honours thesis on PKC?

angry, hairy women and their inability to attain equality under liberal democracy.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN angry, hairy women and their inability to attain equality under liberal democracy.

Sometimes it truly amazes me that you actually did a thesis on feminism. One of the wonders of the world.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Sometimes it truly amazes me that you actually did a thesis on feminism. One of the wonders of the world.

i needed something that would keep me motivated for months, and they sure do piss me off!

Apparently the U.S. spends around $20 billion per year just on air conditioning for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's 2.5 billion more than NASA's entire annual budget.

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Originally posted by Tasty Onions Apparently the U.S. spends around $20 billion per year just on air conditioning for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's 2.5 billion more than NASA's entire annual budget.

Yeah. Then when you dig into the (NPR) report, it turns out that they're lumping in all kinds of things that aren't related to AC such as road building and fuel for aircraft. And it's not even close to $20 billion.

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Defense Department spokesman Dave Lapan says that in fiscal year 2010, the Pentagon spent approximately $15 billion on energy for all military operations around the world. The Pentagon says when it comes to Afghanistan, it spent $1.5 billion from October 2010 to May 2011 on fuel. That fuel was used for heating and air conditioning systems, but also for aircraft, unmanned aerial systems, combat vehicles, computers and electricity inside military structures.

And, better living conditions including air conditioning are seen as helping reduce the risk of combat fatigue and PTSD:

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During World War II, it was found that, on average, 200 days of combat would bring on a case of PTSD. After World War II, methods were found to delay the onset of PTSD (more breaks from combat, better living conditions in the combat zone, prompt treatment when PTSD was detected). Military historians note that successful, and often popular, commanders throughout history have paid attention to the physical well being of the troops, all in the name of "maintaining morale." That's why combat troops in Iraq and Afghanistan often sleep in air conditioned quarters, have Internet access, lots of amenities, and a two week vacation (anywhere) in the middle of their combat tour. This has extended their useful time in combat, before PTSD (or "bad morale") sets in. No one is yet sure what the new combat days average is, and the new screening methods are an attempt to find out. The army and marines are now confronting the fact that, for a large number of their combat NCOs, the limits are being reached. It's a lot more than 200 days in combat, but the army and marines have the majority of their most able and experienced NCOs approaching that limit.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/20110525.aspx

shit, my a/c is broken right now. Does this mean I'm going to get PTSD?

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Originally posted by The17sss Yeah. Then when you dig into the (NPR) report, it turns out that they're lumping in all kinds of things that aren't related to AC such as road building and fuel for aircraft. And it's not even close to $20 billion.

Yeah, I suppose that is misleading of them. Thanks for pointing it out.

I still think NASA is criminally underfunded, though.

when 9/11 happened, i was working on ft Bragg/Pope afb and my wife was working at http://www.asomf.org/index.php

needless to say, everything went on lock-down really quickly . . .

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Originally posted by The17sss Yeah. Then when you dig into the (NPR) report, it turns out that they're lumping in all kinds of things that aren't related to AC such as road building and fuel for aircraft. And it's not even close to $20 billion. And, better living conditions including air conditioning are seen as helping reduce the risk of combat fatigue and PTSD: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/20110525.aspx

Oh boo hoo. Soldiers need AC for combat?

I recently met a ex British Forces (Special Boat Service) commando and he confirmed that US forces are terribly trained - he said even the Seals are disturbingly shit compared to their counterparts in either the British, French or Israeli military. He went on to explain that Seals do not even make it past entry selection training for for the SBS or even SAS.

What he did say was that the US army is incredibly well equipped in comparison and have more money than they know what to do with - their kit is far superior and light years ahead of what the other comparable forces have - it's all lighter and newer. Basically, they have way more money but far less training and expertise.

They should concentrate more on training and perparedness than hotel like facilities and state of the art equipment....that's where all those defense (tax) dollars are going....

SEALS are the most elite fighting force in the world BRO YOU TAKE THAT BACK

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Oh boo hoo. Soldiers need AC for combat? I recently met a ex British Forces (Special Boat Service) commando and he confirmed that US forces are terribly trained - he said even the Seals are disturbingly shit compared to their counterparts in either the British, French or Israeli military. He went on to explain that Seals do not even make it past entry selection training for for the SBS or even SAS. What he did say was that the US army is incredibly well equipped in comparison and have more money than they know what to do with - their kit is far superior and light years ahead of what the other comparable forces have - it's all lighter and newer. Basically, they have way more money but far less training and expertise. They should concentrate more on training and perparedness than hotel like facilities and state of the art equipment....that's where all those defense (tax) dollars are going....

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Originally posted by srussell0018 SEALS are the most elite fighting force in the world BRO YOU TAKE THAT BACK

Canada's Joint Task Force 2 makes the seals look like a bunch of babies playing in the sand box.

Facetious WAT




Also, they're special forces groups, so the only people who would know the true "eliteness" of the group, are members of that group.




Also, who cares?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Oh boo hoo. Soldiers need AC for combat? I recently met a ex British Forces (Special Boat Service) commando and he confirmed that US forces are terribly trained - he said even the Seals are disturbingly shit compared to their counterparts in either the British, French or Israeli military. He went on to explain that Seals do not even make it past entry selection training for for the SBS or even SAS. What he did say was that the US army is incredibly well equipped in comparison and have more money than they know what to do with - their kit is far superior and light years ahead of what the other comparable forces have - it's all lighter and newer. Basically, they have way more money but far less training and expertise.

Yeah ive heard the same.

Aussie SAS ftw.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah ive heard the same. Aussie SAS ftw.

Actually, true that. The SASR (aussie SAS) training is so hardcore that they've lost more men due to the extreme training procedure than in combat

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Oh boo hoo. Soldiers need AC for combat? I recently met a ex British Forces (Special Boat Service) commando and he confirmed that US forces are terribly trained - he said even the Seals are disturbingly shit compared to their counterparts in either the British, French or Israeli military. He went on to explain that Seals do not even make it past entry selection training for for the SBS or even SAS. What he did say was that the US army is incredibly well equipped in comparison and have more money than they know what to do with - their kit is far superior and light years ahead of what the other comparable forces have - it's all lighter and newer. Basically, they have way more money but far less training and expertise. They should concentrate more on training and perparedness than hotel like facilities and state of the art equipment....that's where all those defense (tax) dollars are going....

Is this post a joke? I'm not sure anymore

Also, I agree with Brian

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Originally posted by Lews Is this post a joke? I'm not sure anymore

Nope.

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Originally posted by Lews Also, I agree with Brian

About NASA?

I agree, NASA needs air conditioning, too!

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Originally posted by Tasty Onions About NASA?

Yeah. We need billions more to just go back to the Moon (let alone Mars) and we just don't have it in the budget

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Nope.

Why are you so stupid? You're making me agree with Kevin again and I fucking hate agreeing with Conservatives about anything

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Originally posted by Lews Yeah. We need billions more to just go back to the Moon (let alone Mars) and we just don't have it in the budget

Wasteful government spending! Let the market handle it!

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Originally posted by Lews Why are you so stupid? You're making me agree with Kevin again and I fucking hate agreeing with Conservatives about anything

Im not in a position to judge the veracity of the claims, but I have also heard from reliable sources that the average US grunt is pretty damn average. No idea about the special forces guys.

He's talking about Navy SEALS though, who are widely known as being the most elite fighting force in the whole world.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 who are widely known as being the most elite fighting force in the whole world.

By Americans. You guys always think you�re better than you are.

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