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The worst part about this is honestly how insufferable it's made libertarians.

We've already had employees coming to us paranoid that we're giving all of their email to the NSA. Fucking idiots, wouldn't you think that if they're concerned about the content of their emails they'd realize that we already have access to them, and they'd most likely be fired before they'd be investigated by the NSA for any reason whatsoever.

So, are you going to buy a Patriot Tim Tebow jersey or not?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN shut the fuck up, hal!

Hey, what the fuck?! Where was I wh- Oh.

It's not a constitutional violation because the data seized is owned by the companies that traffic it for you as a service; Verizon, in this case, but also Comcast, Century Link, AT&T, etc. They own everything that happens over their networks, you sign all of that 'property' over to them when you consent to make use of their equipment, no matter how personally it pertains to you. So when the NSA or the FBI or the CIA approach one of these companies and basically ask for a peek into their feed, why wouldn't they immediately consent in order to avoid all possible injunction? They are corporations with everything to gain from compliance with the Federal Government, and no particularly obligate constitutional rights, themselves, because corporations aren't... people... UH.

OH

MY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

*explodes*

*ron paul fliers fly everywhere*

IT'S HAPPENINGGGGGggg

Yeah, I'm so frustrated with this already because a person's lack of knowledge on how digital systems work becomes clear pretty quickly. The laws are NOT WRITTEN to account for the internet, and information tech the way it is used in our lives today.

This is good news generally though, as the public is sorta finally realizing that everything you do digitally, everything you do across a network, anything you sign up for, everything is logged. It's all stored by someone, mainly the companies who manage and run the services you're using. Read your terms of agreement, I'm sure you're forfeiting everything you claim to have a right to over to these companies.

The debate about digital rights and digital privacy is just beginning, and that's a good thing. It's about time people even cared at all.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J As for the subject of voting, I consider it a complete and utter myth that it would make any difference to the introduction of such policies. This kind of thing will happen and continues to happen no matter which party or politician ends up in power, and there are far too many flaws on just about every level of the democratic system for good political policy to actually be consistently rewarded. The only merit voting has is to sustain the overall structure of democracy, whereby leaders must at least affect a pretext of caring for their people if they want to prolong their personal spasm of power. So don't worry about taking responsibility for anything, because you have no real influence anyway.

While I think that everything that you said is absolutely true, I still think your cynicism is undue. Though fuck knows I cannot argue with you on the basis of any history or even current facts, and can only disagree on what is fundamentally an emotional level... I just proved your point because I admit I still have some semblance of faith in a process that systematically compels people to vote contrary to their own interests. Fuck.

But the issue is indeed compounded by the election process in itself; if Americans want to see real change, they would broaden their considerations beyond what President or which 'Party' holds sway over Senate and Congress, and focus more on the informed process of electing legitimate representatives of the people, at all levels of government. Instead, we get daisy-chained investments in the puppet interests of corporations driven by shareholders rather than equanimity for its constituency and jurisprudence in spirit of a progressive national consciousness, because the creed of the Free Market has become newspeak for ritual transubstantiation of private property to private service. Highfalutin, I know! But not enough people are aware of the true scope of checks and balances, and the conglomerated instances of elected Senators and Representatives to fractionally support vestments contrary to both the expressed principles they were elected on as well as the long-term ramifications of privatization.

How to get this across to more people, or better yet, inform the electorate of such convenient, little injustices that can be so readily dismissed with a balking accusation of stigmatic ignorance? I don't know, but maybe the transition from narrow to broad-source media will drive for us a more thoroughly conscious and conscientious future... so long as we can successfully safeguard the foundations of free speech.

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Originally posted by enydo The worst part about this is honestly how insufferable it's made libertarians.

They were insufferable before this.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On

ur so sexy whenn you talk. teach me to do words.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On While I think that everything that you said is absolutely true, I still think your cynicism is undue. Though fuck knows I cannot argue with you on the basis of any history or even current facts, and can only disagree on what is fundamentally an emotional level... I just proved your point because I admit I still have some semblance of faith in a process that systematically compels people to vote contrary to their own interests. Fuck. But the issue is indeed compounded by the election process in itself; if Americans want to see real change, they would broaden their considerations beyond what President or which 'Party' holds sway over Senate and Congress, and focus more on the informed process of electing legitimate representatives of the people, at all levels of government. Instead, we get daisy-chained investments in the puppet interests of corporations driven by shareholders rather than equanimity for its constituency and jurisprudence in spirit of a progressive national consciousness, because the creed of the Free Market has become newspeak for ritual transubstantiation of private property to private service. Highfalutin, I know! But not enough people are aware of the true scope of checks and balances, and the conglomerated instances of elected Senators and Representatives to fractionally support vestments contrary to both the expressed principles they were elected on as well as the long-term ramifications of privatization. How to get this across to more people, or better yet, inform the electorate of such convenient, little injustices that can be so readily dismissed with a balking accusation of stigmatic ignorance? I don't know, but maybe the transition from narrow to broad-source media will drive for us a more thoroughly conscious and conscientious future... so long as we can successfully safeguard the foundations of free speech.

A lot of words for something that can be summed up in very few.

This is just awesome!!

Downfall - NSA's Prism revealed to dear leader from Anonyops on Vimeo.

That video, no matter how many times redone, will never be as funny as the one Meat187 made for the COR.

Reddit is le champion of freedom, le champions!

*puts on fedora and runs into the night*

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Originally posted by OrangestO A lot of words for something that can be summed up in very few.

'Americans are ignorant because they are encouraged to be that way, whereas the Status Quo gets its way by keeping them as such' seems disingenuously vague and plodding through murky, conspiratorial waters. Nobody wants us to be dumb, it's just the easiest way for the few to profit from the many. Even the way I described this process (however redundantly) does not thoroughly encompass the ins and outs of the shadowplay incentive; because I don't know.

Every person involved in media and politics at every level is there solely to herd the masses about in an endless game of "drain the cash".

This is the truth and you need to wake up.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On

I agree 100 percent with what you're saying.

No need for all that fluff to get the point across, though.

K.I.S.S. and maybe those ignorant 'mericans might try to read and listen.

WE ARE PROTECTED BY THE BEST ACRONYMS IN THE WORLD

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Originally posted by enydo Yeah, I'm so frustrated with this already because a person's lack of knowledge on how digital systems work becomes clear pretty quickly. The laws are NOT WRITTEN to account for the internet, and information tech the way it is used in our lives today. This is good news generally though, as the public is sorta finally realizing that everything you do digitally, everything you do across a network, anything you sign up for, everything is logged. It's all stored by someone, mainly the companies who manage and run the services you're using. Read your terms of agreement, I'm sure you're forfeiting everything you claim to have a right to over to these companies. The debate about digital rights and digital privacy is just beginning, and that's a good thing. It's about time people even cared at all.

BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WROTE THE LAW AND THEY WERE PERFECT AND ITS PERFECT AND WE CANT CHANGE IT AT ALL

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On 'Americans are ignorant because they are encouraged to be that way, whereas the Status Quo gets its way by keeping them as such' seems disingenuously vague and plodding through murky, conspiratorial waters. Nobody wants us to be dumb, it's just the easiest way for the few to profit from the many. Even the way I described this process (however redundantly) does not thoroughly encompass the ins and outs of the shadowplay incentive; because I don't know.

You know what would be funny? If you weren't profiting off Americans ignorance. You are part of the problem, hal. Seriously, one day someone-not like me-is going to kill you and your wife and kids. I can't wait for a day of justice to happen.

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Originally posted by Lews BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WROTE THE LAW AND THEY WERE PERFECT AND ITS PERFECT AND WE CANT CHANGE IT AT ALL

The way the law is interpreted now is that the government has agreed that in your household you will not be subjected to searches or eavesdropping. But in public places, it can happen.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ecure-ftp.shtml

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And, once again, the story seems to be less than what was originally reported. Google's now said that when it receives a valid FISA order for information, the "secret" computer system it uses to get the required info to the NSA isn't some crazy server setup or dropbox... but secure FTP. quote: �When required to comply with these requests, we deliver that information to the US government � generally through secure FTP transfers and in person,� Google spokesman Chris Gaither told Wired. �The US government does not have the ability to pull that data directly from our servers or network.� The specifics of how tech companies are handing legally required data over to the NSA seems like much less of an issue than the breadth of the government's requests (and the non-PRISM request for all phone call records).

This is what happens when people start shooting from the hip, and seems to be increasingly prevalent in a society that is becoming evermore dependent upon social media. Too many people jump at the first headline rather than wait a few days for more information to come out before being outraged.

So, yeah, while they do have the ability to obtain most of your e-mails/FB posts/internet history, they cannot sit at their own computer, push one button, and have it all within seconds. Not only that, but because each company has to, essentially, "deliver" the data to the government, that means that the government isn't doing it blindly and reduces the potential for abuse by the government.

I think Glenn Greenwald is just a spazz.

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Originally posted by zGoogleman You know what would be funny? If you weren't profiting off Americans ignorance. You are part of the problem, hal. Seriously, one day someone-not like me-is going to kill you and your wife and kids. I can't wait for a day of justice to happen.

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