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Originally posted by lockedgroove hell of a lot cheaper to book talent on a Monday.

this is not true.

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Originally posted by Special K My one request for next summer ...

theres an hour long video of Solomun and HOSH back to back at Diynamic fest...

this is also a growing trend over the last 2years... i like the ideas of record label mini fests (and label nights)...

Theres the Fools Gold fest and Dirty Bird bbq coming up... i would love for a Diynamic fest, Defected label night, CUFF, or anything Hot Creations to come thru our city...

Cross town rebels did a label night at Ryze that was sooooo gooooood!

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Originally posted by ItalianPoiSon i think tap will be the future in a couple of years. I cant remember the years but by 2017 or something all retailers have to have "chip" terminals on their debit/credit machines, so tap becoming the standard is only a matter of time...

That's interesting to know, but will nightclubs offer this at the bar area as well? It would speed things along but the only area of concern is the tipping issue. If they're gonna allow people to insert a tip amount on the terminal, it can delay things, but probably not as much than the current cash routine.

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Originally posted by geroin this is not true.

Of course it's true, supply and demand.

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Originally posted by ItalianPoiSon yeah monday-wednesday is a hell of a lot cheaper than thurs-sunday..

Not sure how much this holds in Ibiza. The weekdays parties/ bookings are actually better than the weekend.

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Originally posted by an_an Not sure how much this holds in Ibiza. The weekdays parties/ bookings are actually better than the weekend.

I'm sorry, but are you really comparing Ibiza, to.... any other place outside of Ibiza?

Any party at any hour of any day can be successful there. Anywhere outside of Ibiza (a vacation destination) or short trip (if you close) will most likely have people working day jobs. Thus, cannot compete with weekday parties on the island.

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Originally posted by Big Boss Of course it's true, supply and demand.

it does not apply to events and DJs of this caliber.

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Originally posted by Dior Homme I'm sorry, but are you really comparing Ibiza, to.... any other place outside of Ibiza?

Never meant to compare any other place with Ibiza! Agreed Ibiza is a whole different case. Which is why I said not sure if it holds in Ibiza. For that matter if it holds anywhere else either. I think it's more so dependent on the size of the event and the duration of the set they play.

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Originally posted by geroin this is not true.

Ok, there MAY be a few DJs who this may not be true for based on the calibre and popularity of the DJ and their booking fee may not change.

But there are so many things that make it cheaper for a Monday thru Wednesday booking. Hotels and airfare may be cheaper. Much cheaper to get a flight on Monday or Tuesday, and hotels are at least 20% cheaper on weekdays. So, if you're flying someone out for a one off on a Saturday or Monday, maybe the total cost difference is negligible. For a one party, it's a fly in, play, accommodations and fly out, MAYBE then their booking fee is the same minus air/accommodation.

But you're forgetting that if the DJ is in the area already, you're saving costs on airshare with other promoters and you can work with other promoters/agencies etc to work out a better deal overall.

Example. You want to bring DJ Trainwreck from Budapest, you can get him 2 gigs Friday and Saturday night for $10k each and flights from Budepest to Miami, to New York and back to Budapest with flights split 2 ways between two promoters. OR you can work with another promoter to get another gig for him on Sunday for what averages to be $8k each gig or something, and then the flights are shared 3 ways with an extra New York to Montreal then to Budapest.

TL;DR - Maybe not 100% true, but I know for a fact that you can book 90% of an agencies roster for cheaper on off days if you do the right planning with their management and have a good relationship with other promoters in other cities.

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Originally posted by Mach X

Sure, it is still the case for really new talent but do you think for example maceo plex booking is cheaper on a thursday than on a saturday?

the price is based on a size of the venue/capacity/door price not on the day of the week, if you think you can't pull off booking him on a Thursday then don't book him on a Thursday.

nothing in this industry is going to be true 100% of the time but in my experience you can definitely get a price break on the booking fee for a sunday/monday or even a thursday depending on the schedule. if the artist is already relatively close and there's no one else competing for the booking, you bet your ass they'll take another gig if the logistics are there. i'm not just talking about b-list guys either - i'm sure papa sven came at a very reasonable price for a party of that size (venue size and ticket price being charged still come into play, but no way is an agency or artist going to demand the same rate they do for a saturday night party when it's a monday evening with no other commitments)

All I'm saying is, the actual booking price may be rigid for elite DJs and calculated on the venue/price etc.

But adding on another gig either before or after a weekend is going to in the end save the promoter some money with total out of pocket expenses.

I get tons of emails from agencies that are requesting that someone add another gig either before or after when a DJ is in the area and they straight up advertise that they can save on flightshare and booking price is negotiable based on the gig.

Not to mention let's say in the case of someone big like you said Maceo Plex, or in this case Dixon, who is huge in demand was in Montreal that Saturday I think then New York on the Wednesday. You know his management is going to totally work on a agreeable arrangement beneficial for the artist/management and the promoter to get him some gigs in between. And instead of having him either flown back to Berlin then back to New York, or have to pay accommodations out of pocket for the days in between if he stays in North America. I'll admit 100% I don't know the arrangement Alex and company had, but I would bet that there were some numbers discussed which was better for both, Dixon get's another gig and money, his accommodations are paid for, his flight from Montreal to New York was now covered perhaps etc. It ended up being a WHOLE lot cheaper than if Alex by himself had to fly him out here to Toronto, put him up the night before and after and fly him back.

I'm not disputing all of of what you guys are saying, i was merely responding to this.

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Originally posted by lockedgroove hell of a lot cheaper to book talent on a Monday.

It's not any cheaper to get sven vath on saturday, sunday or monday.

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Originally posted by geroin I'm not disputing all of of what you guys are saying, i was merely responding to this. It's not any cheaper to get sven vath on saturday, sunday or monday.

In the end it is. Putting Sven in a 5 star hotel is cheaper on a Monday than the Saturday, and his first class flight round trip from Frankfurt or wherever is split 3 ways if each of the cities/promoters book him on the Sat/Sun/Mon.

And if Sven was doing fack all on Monday anyways, it's is probable that booking him another gig on the Monday could be negotiated. Not stellar 50% savings or anything, but still negotiable. It's all mutually beneficial for all parties involved to talk money, it's business.



But, back to EI talk. Tale Of Us are at Stereo on Saturday, August 30. Maybe a another Labour Day Tale Of Us party?!

i hope not. i really like their productions but when they were djing last year, to me it felt like there was no flow whatsoever. also i would like to see different artists rather than repeat from previous EI (unless of course Guy Gerber/Sven).

why hasn't digweed got a toronto gig in like 2 years ? (1h veld doesn't count... who even went?) same with carl.

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Originally posted by planetaryplayer why hasn't digweed got a Toronto gig in like 2 years ? (1h veld doesn't count... who even went?) same with carl.

I don't think he likes playing in Toronto. And if he does its for big money. He hasn't had more than a 3 hour set in at least 4-5 years.

If you want the real Digweed front to back experience you're going to have to go outside Canada. That one Montreal 8 hour set excluded.

I thought Ink had a monopoly on him or whatever

*edit: or something to do with either digweed or his agent(s) only willing to work with Ink, considering that almost every single booking (or every single one) in Toronto was at an Ink event

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Originally posted by Mach X And if Sven was doing fack all on Monday anyways, it's is probable that booking him another gig on the Monday could be negotiated. Not stellar 50% savings or anything, but still negotiable.

With Sven Vath that monday would be booked 6 months in advance, not a week before just to fill in a date.

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Originally posted by geroin With Sven Vath that monday would be booked 6 months in advance, not a week before just to fill in a date.

And that I am not disputing. I would't be surprised if it was a year in the making. I am by no means saying he is a filler act at a huge discount. But that he was in the area already and his price was negotiated and it was probably cheaper in more ways than just the booking fee than if we (Toronto) booked him on a Saturday. I bet there were bidding wars to get him on a Saturday and the one with the most money and rep won. I doubt there were as many interested parties bidding on that Monday considering it was only Canada with the holiday and he wasn't booked again till the next weekend in Europe.

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Originally posted by chris1011 I thought Ink had a monopoly on him or whatever *edit: or something to do with either digweed or his agent(s) only willing to work with Ink, considering that almost every single booking (or every single one) in Toronto was at an Ink event

monopoly tho

Theres different things at play when booking an act... and some times its not profitable to book a certain dj in canada... they get top dollar in europe and gurantee to sell out and in canada theres a large chance of not selling out and the promoter losing money...

I will say sven is a dick because he showed up to the after party and wouldnt play because the club was 25% full... like come on dick head ur already in the club play for an hour n than leave... anyways rant over lol

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