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And I answered.

That is true, you did say that you 'suck up the resources of others more productive than you.' Clearly you do so very much to help make things better around here.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Just because my ideas aren't full of of compromises like yours it doesn't mean theres any less thought that goes into them. I think you're the one with a superiority complex. I wonder how you learn and think critically if you treat anything that doesn't align with your isms as steaming dog shit. You're a hypocrite.

So I'm full of compromise but I don't respect anyone who doesn't 100% agree with me? If only I could think as critically as you.

You're calling my ideals dog shit, that's very respectful. You're not even addressing any of it, if anything all you did this whole thread is accuse me of being irrelevant when I wasn't even speaking to you anymore.

Edit: haha just pointed out your hypocrisy again.

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Originally posted by Lews That is true, you did say that you 'suck up the resources of others more productive than you.' Clearly you do so very much to help make things better around here.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You want me to post memes? I don't even fucking know.

'Around here' as in in the world, you cretin. You appear to do absolutely nothing to make the world a better place, in even the smallest way.

oh man, now you broke me.

What the fuck do you know what I do, little rich boy?

You just now understood my question? I know English is not your first language, but fucking hell...

The whole point of asking was because I DO NOT KNOW.

Have you have you ever woken up early to drive 30 mins to a beat up church to make food for some people on the streets. You don't fucking know me, bro. Keep chasing that dollar you stupid idiot.

You are really one stupid motherfucker. And you have a degree? Jesus.

Pro tip: If you're curious about a person maybe the best way to get information from them is not to patronize them and be condescending.

It's times like these I miss people on TA dating each other, to have really embarrassing personal information to use against them in a good old fashioned shit-slinging.

Ah well.

You guys know all the disgusting shit I do already.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Have you have you ever woken up early to drive 30 mins to a beat up church to make food for some people on the streets. You don't fucking know me, bro. Keep chasing that dollar you stupid idiot.

So how exactly is that more noble than, say, Michael Bloomberg giving away $600m last year? Objectively, and consequentially, speaking, he certainly had a much bigger impact on the world than you missing your sleep one morning.

I never fucking said it was. How many speeds does your brain have? 2? Dumb/Extra Dumb?

Capitalism doesn't exist so Bloomberg could donate x fucking billion gazillion dollars to charity.

Sure, you've never specifically said you losing your sleep one morning was more noble than Bloomberg's endeavors, but you've also asked repeatedly how there could be any nobility in trying to make a profit, and more generally you've basically declared that all rich capitalists are greedy vampires responsible for all the evil in the world. Certainly leads one to infer that you think you're rather more moral and noble than them.

I never said I was more noble than anyone. Fact of the matter is a hand full of people own more wealth than all the rest of us. Why is that? Because they're noble? You don't think they do everything they can and exert as much influence on the rest of us in order to ensure that things stay that way? This isnt about me. Not once did I talk about myself this whole thread or what I believe about myself. Only what I believe for the world. So if you think I'm on a pedestal you put me there.

I'm the smartest person in history

You want me to tell you Bloomberg is a great guy for doing that? Sure, good for him. I don't fucking how much of his wealth that donation is to be able to even start trying to quantify his nobility for this particular action. I don't know what you want from me.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid You're calling my ideals dog shit, that's very respectful.

Begging the question. I respect well-reasoned positions, even if I don't agree with them. Hence why I make compromises.

The issue here is environmentalism and reducing emissions. Your rambling bullshit ended up focusing on one particular source of emissions: utilities. Now, the real solution here is phased replacement of dirty power sources with green technology, and how to practically implement that in the real world. This is perfectly achievable with privatised utilities as long as you have a government and a voting populace who are motivated to achieve it.

You aren't interested in any of that. You skip straight to nationalisation, with the extremely circuitous argument that if you nationalise all the utilities, the government can then force them to be converted to green technology. Again, practical concerns of cost, implementation and efficiency don't even enter your argument. You're only concerned with blathering on irrelevantly about profit-motivation. It doesn't enter your consideration that a government-driven conversion of electricity production could still go disastrously wrong, could still be poorly implemented and inefficient. That these failures could turn public opinion away from green technology when opinion is already sceptical. That's because you don't actually have anything to say about all these steps of the way. Your argument is quite simply that if there's no profit margin, these things will magically be better, because without the evil of profit and capitalism everything will work better for the people.

It's just horseshit. It's ad hoc, it's poorly glued together, it's not relevant. You blatantly half-understood something someone was saying, crowbarred your shit into the debate and are now trying to hang in there desperately. You're having this debate with people who are pro-environmentalism and you're getting scorned. Imagine if you took this faulty, tenuous claptrap out into the world of sceptics. We're better off without people like you discrediting the whole platform.

And that is why I don't respect your idealism. The great agents of all meaningful political achievement are the un-engaged, moderate centre. If you can't speak to these people with reasonable, compromised, practical positions you are going nowhere. Anyone who doesn't realise this will be a political fool for as long as they live. It says everything that you think "compromise" is some kind of criticism of my ideals, when in any other discourse "compromise" denotes bridge-building, deal-making and conflict resolution.

I have a bagillion apples and I donated a gazillion.

*slow clap*

Jack, you cite the things I say and then say I don't consider the things I didn't. By now you must realize that you're doing an awful lot of assuming in that ugly rant.

Because you are resolute in ideals that doesn't mean you lack the ability to compromise in solutions. All the shit you say about me could be pointed right back at yourself. So much for glueing shit together. And let me get this straight. Just because my ideals don't fit into your mold of moderate center, and don't play into your particular view practicality, I shouldn't be able to express them when questioned?


What if I think your phasing is poor implementation of green technology? What if I think that legislation should have been passed yesterday that the whole grid should be publicly owned regardless of how we're getting our energy? Straight up. You say it would be bad I say it would be good. What evidence do you have? Other calling me names, what do you have? Only your assumptions. To say my position is not well reasoned is to make a bunch of assumptions and glueing them together and making a conclusion based on that.You see how you're a hypocrite? Might as well wear one of these.



Also you're full of shit. Get a fucking personality.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid You want me to tell you Bloomberg is a great guy for doing that? Sure, good for him. I don't fucking how much of his wealth that donation is to be able to even start trying to quantify his nobility for this particular action. I don't know what you want from me.

Why do you have to [know?] anything about his wealth to know if that is a noble act or not? Consequentially speaking, a whole lot of good is going to come from such a donation. Why do you need to know more?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid What if I think your phasing is poor implementation of green technology? What if I think that legislation should have been passed yesterday that the whole grid should be publicly owned regardless of how we're getting our energy? Straight up. You say it would be bad I say it would be good. What evidence do you have? Other calling me names, what do you have? Only your assumptions. To say my position is not well reasoned is to make a bunch of assumptions and glueing them together and making a conclusion based on that.You see how you're a hypocrite? Might as well wear one of these.

Considering that you were literally reading up on emissions in the middle of this thread, just a few days ago, it seems rather obvious that your views on combating climate change are not well reasoned.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid What if I think your phasing is poor implementation of green technology?

Well then you'd be actually discussing the topic at hand for the very first time. What's your beef with offshore wind, then?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid What if I think that legislation should have been passed yesterday that the whole grid should be publicly owned regardless of how we're getting our energy? Straight up. You say it would be bad I say it would be good.

I didn't say it would necessarily be bad. I said it's stupid, tedious idealism to assume it would be good just because it isn't profit-driven. And more to the point, it doesn't address any of the practical considerations to ensure it is good, but instead focuses entirely on redundantly idealising a particular starting point.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Well then you'd be actually discussing the topic at hand for the very first time.

Now that I'd like to see.

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