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Originally posted by Wurm We are pretty fortunate here in Canada. We get to criticize America, yet our quality of life is directly tied to the existence of a superpower next door. Like it or not, it's pretty hard to avoid US cultural influence either. Ol P.E.T had something to say about that relationship. Like sleeping with an elephant. The flipside is that the lions don't come near you if you're sleeping with a pachyderm. Hypothesis: Were it not for the existence of a great military power to the south, would we reap such a large 'peace dividend'? Would we not have to spend more on national defence, diverting funds from other social programs?

so true....when i moved to canada, i noticed this wannabe symbiosis goin on and i found it absolutely insane because, as much as anyone wants to argue, we may depend on the US for trade, but unless tehy really needed the trade as well, they wouldnt be doin trade with us here.....yet the US hides their dependency on any other country and treats Canada and Mexico like just mere aquaintances while we basically kneel for them

Ray Finkle, i replied to ur question but because of the way i worded it based on reality, u misread it..

if there were no sanctions on Iraq and no no-fly zone, everything would be as normal as in the 80s....people have suffered more under the sanctions tahn anything else...thats why there have been protests against the sanctions held in france and other parts of europe a couple of years ago

and do u really know why the Kurds were killed?

because they were anarchists.

now if people u support include Bush who are pro execution and abortion, and basically gets thousands of people killed a year by that, what difference is it to killing a batch of anarchists???

Oh so the proper way of dealing with anarchists is to gas them? I better tell Cretien this before he goes to his next world summit. This could be a new and wonderful way of dealing with those pesky people that dislike governance!


As for the sanctions, SANCTIONS WHICH ARE APPROVED BY THE UN, they do hurt the people, however, without Saddam in power, there would be no more sanctions. Whose fault is it? By the way, here is an article dealing with the UN sactions on Iraq. It's from the CBC so don't worry about its impartiality...

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Oh so the proper way of dealing with anarchists is to gas them? I better tell Cretien this before he goes to his next world summit. This could be a new and wonderful way of dealing with those pesky people that dislike governance! As for the sanctions, SANCTIONS WHICH ARE APPROVED BY THE UN, they do hurt the people, however, without Saddam in power, there would be no more sanctions. Whose fault is it? By the way, here is an article dealing with the UN sactions on Iraq. It's from the CBC so don't worry about its impartiality...

ummm first off i didnt say it was good way to deal with them all i meant by that was taht Bush is as "evil"

and wheres ur great link???

i tell u from first hand sources of people who lived in iraq....


oh and BTW...i dont think u know that Hussein was brought into power by the US itself right??

Yes but you said that Saddam was justified in killing them because they were "anarachists". It's funny, because if you lived in the US, you could be considered an anarchist. Better be thankful that you live in Canada, where our leader must be feeling sore from sitting on the fence for so long

Sorry for not including the link. OMG IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY CBC DOESN"T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW!!!!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/features/ira..._sanctions.html


Also, I don't think you know anything about Saddam

MORE CBC GOODNESS!!!!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/iraq/
few nice quotes

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In 1958, the Iraqi monarchy – the same family that continues to rule neighbouring Jordan – was overthrown and Iraq became an Islamic republic. The king and most of his family were slaughtered in the coup. The next year, there was another coup attempt, but it failed. One of the members of the hit squad was a young officer who would later become famous: Saddam Hussein.

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As the suffering became clear to the UN, the Security Council offered a special arrangement to Iraq, whereby it could sell its oil on the market and would receive, instead of money, food and medicine. Saddam Hussein, however, refused to accept the deal. The sanctions are a potent political weapon for him. As long as the suffering continues, he can play the part of the champion of the Iraqi people.

Yes, The US supported Iraq in its fight against Iran and that was a dumb move but Bush wasn't in power then so that really doesn't factor in to what is going on now.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Yes, The US supported Iraq in its fight against Iran and that was a dumb move but Bush wasn't in power then so that really doesn't factor in to what is going on now.

But many of the cronies that were part of the Reagan Administration are around now. Don 'I never shook hands with Saddam' Runsfeld (liar) among them.

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Originally posted by DJLocoMoco When will the world see the light??? It saddens me greatly that it is now 2003 and shit like this is still happening. Why is it that countries are singled out to disarm their weapons, yet other countries are allowed to expand and build their armies to astronomic proportions? The ENTIRE world needs to disarm, this is so fucking pathetic, the entire human race is pathetic. When will we learn that this won't solve anything in the long run, this is bound to only cause more conflict. This war will only be successful in creating tension between nations, it has already started.......I hope to GOD this ends soon, and that no more conflict results.

it's astonishing that people can't be more realistic...

I already excplained why some countries (especially ones with former hitmen as heads of state) need to disarm, while others can't afford that LUXURY...yes it is a luxury not to think about war happening in your country.

and you actually think the whole world will disarm, every1 in the world has a "little bit a thug in them" other people have a lot...there will always be thugs

Ray_Finkle...


people like u are oversaturated with ur own thoughts that u refuse to think otherwise even for a minute.

all of u who support the war are judgging based only on articles and things youll have heard and/or seen on the TV.. while us who are against it are actually reading between the lines and going deep into the news we read/hear....

OPEN YOUR MIND

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee ...if there were no sanctions on Iraq and no no-fly zone, everything would be as normal as in the 80s... ...now if people u support include Bush who are pro execution and abortion, and basically gets thousands of people killed a year by that, what difference is it to killing a batch of anarchists???

hahahahaha...the 80s were filled with war and chemical weapons use...in what world is that normal

abortion, whether you like it or not is, among others, a religious issue, one that very few conservatives compromise on

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Originally posted by oceanlab hahahahaha...the 80s were filled with war and chemical weapons use...in what world is that normal abortion, whether you like it or not is, among others, a religious issue, one that very few conservatives compromise on

hmmm true and true


but im just curious...which side are u on..u never said...cos sometimes it seems like ur for the war and at others against and at yet other times, ur on the fence

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee if u should know, Hussein doesnt perform acts of genocide. he might be supporting families in palestine and down with the war against israel but thats only in opposition to America.

wow, thats just wrong, lets digress to gassing anarchists...maybe thats not genocide to you? maybe the holocaust didn't exist?

a murderer is being defended for opposing a deceitful rich guy...maybe people should start filing wrongful death suits against Ted Bundy's execution order, just because one of his victims was a typical american republican.

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Originally posted by oceanlab wow, thats just wrong, lets digress to gassing anarchists...maybe thats not genocide to you? maybe the holocaust didn't exist? a murderer is being defended for opposing a deceitful rich guy...maybe people should start filing wrongful death suits against Ted Bundy's execution order, just because one of his victims was a typical american republican.

sure why not

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee but im just curious...which side are u on..u never said...cos sometimes it seems like ur for the war and at others against and at yet other times, ur on the fence

I'm not on any fence, I fully support the violent overthrow of Saddam's regime. Diplomacy DID fail. I wish it were different, but it isn't. Saddam had three decades to show what he could do with a country satiated with natural wealth, he brought wars, illeagal weapons, and global infamy. I grant that running a nation is not an easy task, but honestly, Iraq should be better off than it is now.

I just wish Hitler's SS was hit with thousands of precision weapons in 1938.

Tough to take a stand on this because Sadaam is a tyrnanical dictator whereas George Bush is a trigger happy (or should i say Bomb happy) american president.

Some part of me doesn't want the American's to win because i don't believe they should be there in the first place (who died and made the US the worlds police ???).

I feel for the innoccent people of Iraq who have been forced to become untangled in this terrible event which has once again proved, that economics and world politics takes precedence over the price of human lives...


"I prefer the most unfair peace to the most righteous war."
-- Cicero.

"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."
-- Mohandas K. Gandhi

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."
-- John F. Kennedy

"The past is prophetic in that it asserts loudly that wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.

A point which has not been made on here: Iraq, from a self-defense point of view, is being targeted not solely because of the weapons of mass distruction they DO have, but because of the weapons they aspire to create and/or buy. I think what scares people is the fact that Saddam could in the future acquire a nuclear weapon. I know that in this case, diplomacy could be administered while Saddam was actively surveillanced, but then again, there are other reasons the Bush administration claims. And the fact of the matter is that if Saddam had even 1 chemical weapon (not to mention nuclear) and one cruise missile...there is always a chance a lot of people in Tel-Aviv might be gagging in the streets one day...I don't think the same holds true for a US owned weapon and say, Cairo, or even Baghdad. Some people cannot be entrusted with a weapon of such potential devastation, Saddam is one of them...someone find me a reason why Saddam needs his precious illeagal warheads...please

if he was so conserned with defensive measures, why spend money on mass destruction?? build up anti-missile technology...build impenetrable positions...build better and more tanks.

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Originally posted by Kytracid ...who died and made the US the worlds police ???

You have isolated a massive gap in global relations, one that will not be filled for many years.

There is no, nor has there ever been a "world's police." I will laugh if you reply telling me to consider the UN or Interpol. All there is, is history. A buildup of two superpowers, ending with the demise of one, and the unknown fate of the other. America takes the term "self-defense" very broadly, but shouldn't it? Look at how broad she is stretched. The demise of the US, if Democracy as a governing body fails in the future, will come from within iteself and not from any immediate outside force, the Pentagon insures that to all Americans. To ensure this safety, there are people who America must disarm...we don't know who will be next (maybe Iran, maybe not), but I assure you, there is a list, and until every name on that list, whether by diplomatic or violent measure, has a line through it, today's emipire will not rest.

I agree with rest of what you said...but remember that not all people in Iraq are innocent.

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Originally posted by oceanlab You have isolated a massive gap in global relations, one that will not be filled for many years. There is no, nor has there ever been a "world's police." I will laugh if you reply telling me to consider the UN or Interpol. All there is, is history. A buildup of two superpowers, ending with the demise of one, and the unknown fate of the other. America takes the term "self-defense" very broadly, but shouldn't it? Look at how broad she is stretched. The demise of the US, if Democracy as a governing body fails in the future, will come from within iteself and not from any immediate outside force, the Pentagon insures that to all Americans. To ensure this safety, there are people who America must disarm...we don't know who will be next (maybe Iran, maybe not), but I assure you, there is a list, and until every name on that list, whether by diplomatic or violent measure, has a line through it, today's emipire will not rest. I agree with rest of what you said...but remember that not all people in Iraq are innocent.

so in otherwords ur tryin to say this is what the list should look like due to possesion of home made nukes??
India
Pakistan
China
Russia
N Korea
Libya
Syria
Iran


????????

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee so in otherwords ur tryin to say this is what the list should look like due to possesion of home made nukes?? India Pakistan China Russia N Korea Libya Syria Iran ????????

no that's not what I'm saying at all...and have never said that.

I think you are looking at the obvious countries (although I don't think Russia, Pakistan, China, or India should be considered at all right now)...there are other nations that the US has interests in.
Columbia, SE Asia!!!, etc...it's a long list I would think, one that has been rearranged since 9/11.

All you pro-war misinformed people constantly re-hash the "genocide of the kurds" the Gassing of the kurds etc... Well, in case you didnt know... the US supplied Hussein with that gas and after witnessing the gassing.. the US government sold him MORE!!!!!

Tell me what you think of the US government now... a corrupt and disgusting government.

I cant wait to see the day when the US looses its power

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Originally posted by Cyrus King All you pro-war misinformed people constantly re-hash the "genocide of the kurds" the Gassing of the kurds etc... Well, in case you didnt know... the US supplied Hussein with that gas and after witnessing the gassing.. the US government sold him MORE!!!!! Tell me what you think of the US government now... a corrupt and disgusting government. I cant wait to see the day when the US looses its power

Did you know that it rained red water today??? Site some sources.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King All you pro-war misinformed people constantly re-hash the "genocide of the kurds" the Gassing of the kurds etc... Well, in case you didnt know... the US supplied Hussein with that gas and after witnessing the gassing.. the US government sold him MORE!!!!! Tell me what you think of the US government now... a corrupt and disgusting government. I cant wait to see the day when the US looses its power

wow i didnt know that...there ya go oceanlab...

oh and that day when US loses power is not far away...not far away at all

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Originally posted by Kytracid Tough to take a stand on this because Sadaam is a tyrnanical dictator whereas George Bush is a trigger happy (or should i say Bomb happy) american president. Some part of me doesn't want the American's to win because i don't believe they should be there in the first place (who died and made the US the worlds police ???). I feel for the innoccent people of Iraq who have been forced to become untangled in this terrible event which has once again proved, that economics and world politics takes precedence over the price of human lives... "I prefer the most unfair peace to the most righteous war." -- Cicero. "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." -- Mohandas K. Gandhi "Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." -- John F. Kennedy "The past is prophetic in that it asserts loudly that wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty."
John F. Kennedy (1917-1963)


"One man with courage is a majority."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)


"There is no conflict between liberty and safety. We will have both or neither."
Ramsey Clark

ya see.. it's all about the ganja ..

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Originally posted by USMC_Greg "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty." John F. Kennedy (1917-1963)

Everyone should ask themselves; what liberty do the Iraqi people know?

DJ LKD...The American empire will not fall until the world changes in a big enough way. Please tell me when and how it will fall if you are so certain of this. Or is this the mother of all Arab pipe-dreams?

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Originally posted by dEsidEL ya see.. it's all about the ganja ..

that was pretty much uncalled for..not funny at all

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