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| Originally posted by Krypton By all means, lead the way..  |
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| Originally posted by Krypton By all means, lead the way.. |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X and although I obviously can't personally corroborate, from what I've heard as of more recently, bin Laden may have been murdered back in 2001 Perhaps some kind of deal was struck to use his image as the spokesperson for Al-CIAda in our war on terra? Who knows? I just know that things aren't as they seem to be and what we're being fed smells like a load of BS. |
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| Originally posted by donnybrasco The plot thickens! Maybe Bush and Bin Laden were having a love affair, and it went bad, then he had Bin Laden killed. So now, he's out to get revenge on him by smearing his good name, faking videos of him as a "Terrorist" and such (wasn't UBL a Librarian, last I checked?) Anyway... Keep thinking for us bro. I've missed your irreplaceable insight, lol |
dead? perhaps right at THIS minute. but not before starring in lots of videos owning up to the attack!
Taking the fat out of the fat bin Laden confession video
March 7, 2007 � For millions of people seeking the truth about September 11, 2001, the videotape released by the Department of Defense on December 13, 2001 in which Osama bin Laden confesses to prior knowledge of 9/11 has been a powerful talking point when making the case that the government is covering up what actually happened on that notorious day.
Many in the global movement to discover the truth about 9/11 have referred to this video as the fat bin Laden video, including yours truly. When we see frames from the video such as in Figure 1, any person with eyes can look and see that the bin Laden in the video appears much fatter than any other known image of Osama.
However, when one or even a few frames are taken from a 35-minute segment of video, and those selected frames exploit the least recognizable images of bin Laden while hundreds of other frames resemble him more closely, it is a misrepresentation of the truth. Clearly, the center frame above is one of those frames in the video that least resembles Osama bin Laden - yet has been picked and published as if the entire video reveals bin Laden in this distorted image, when it does not.
For example, the image below (Figure 2) is from the same video and clearly resembles Osama bin Laden more than the center frame referenced in Figure 1.
ome people have pointed to the rings seen in Figure 2 and concluded that the rings were made of gold. Since Muslim men do not wear gold rings, they do wear silver rings though, the truth seekers have concluded that this is another clue that the Osama bin Laden in the video is an impostor. However, this conclusion that the rings are gold rather than silver, based on the black and white frames of this video, is highly speculative.
Depending on the quality of film or video, silver or chrome often appears with a gold tint, especially when published on the Internet. Figure 3 is a picture of chrome motorcycle parts that clearly has a visual gold tint � but is actually bright, silver chrome. Of all the claims that this video is a fake, I always thought the "gold ring" argument was the weakest.
Prior to being introduced to the research of Muckraker Report contributing writer, Maher Osseiran, who is responsible for my finally studying the entire �confession� tape for myself rather than repeating what others in the independent media have concluded about the tape, I struggled with a conflict about the �fat bin Laden� I could not resolve. What I could not explain is the fact that if the Osama bin Laden in the video was fake, what about everyone else in the video? How could bin Laden be an impostor while everyone else�s identity in the video remained unchallenged? For example, in Figure 4 we see two individuals sitting to the left of Osama bin Laden who is off screen. Their identity is clear � to the left in this frame is the paraplegic sheikh � (Saudi) Khaled Al-Harbi and to the right in this frame is bin Laden�s number two man � (Egyptian) Ayman Al-Zawahiri.
In Figure 2 we see Suleiman Abu Ghaith (Kuwaiti spokesman of Al-Qaeda sitting to the right of Osama bin Laden, and (Saudi) Khaled Al-Harbi sitting to bin Laden�s left. To the best of my knowledge, no �fat bin Laden� supporter has challenged the identity of these individuals, which begs the question � Is it possible that Suleiman Abu Ghaith, Khaled Al-Harbi, and Ayman Al-Zawahiri sat down for dinner with a fake bin Laden to discuss and reminisce about the events of September 11, 2001? The answer is no. It is not possible. Either everyone in this video is fake, or everyone is real. We cannot cherry pick in this regard and expect to be taken seriously.
Before I tackle the explanation of the �fat� in the video, I need to address the last clue some people have used to fortify the perception that this video is a fake, and that is the apparent height of Osama bin Laden. Independent media outlets have pointed to how short bin Laden appears while sitting down for dinner in the video, when compared to the others in the room. We all know that Osama bin Laden is approximately 6 foot 6 inches tall. Figure 5 shows Osama bin Laden entering the room. Please note how much taller he is next to the others and that he has to duck through the doorway.
So how do we explain those frames in the video where Osama bin Laden doesn�t really look like Osama bin Laden, but rather like a fat impostor? We all had the �fat� part correct �clearly in some frames bin Laden looks fatter than in others. We just missed something that can no longer be ignored � the explanation as to why he looks fat � and its not because he�s fake.
On February 27, 2007 I received an e-mail from George Tremblay in Colorado. George has demonstrated that he has the experience and technical expertise to make this analysis and reach the conclusions he has reached. I spoke with Mr. Tremblay on the phone today and he shared with me that prior to reading Maher Osseiran�s work on the Muckraker Report, he was a �fat bin Laden� believer too! George is now convinced that the Osama bin Laden in the �confession video� is absolutely Osama bin Laden. He wrote:
While reading some of the coverage and investigation done by Maher Osseiran on the bin Laden confession tape, and his assertion that the tape is likely actually a tape of bin Laden himself, it occurred to me that since the tape was recorded in the Pakistan region, it was likely recorded in PAL video format. In the United States, we use the NTSC format. The difference is primarily that the standard PAL format has the same spatial resolution horizontally, but vertically it has a higher spatial resolution (720 x 576 for PAL � 720 x 480 for NTSC) than doe NTSC. Many PAL and NTSC converters simply eliminate the extra horizontal lines from the PAL format in order to conform to the NTSC format. This results in an image that appears to be �squashed� along the vertical axis�making people and objects look fatter after the conversion.
Using video provided to him by Maher Osseiran, Tremblay suspects that a linear interpolation PAL to NTSC conversion method was used in this instance. This method basically eliminates every fifth scan line from the PAL video, thus matching it to the number of scan lines for the NTSC video standard (480 lines for NTSC versus 576 for PAL). Besides linear interpolation, there are other conversion methods and software that might have been employed to accomplish the same distorted effect on the original video. Tremblay is basing this conclusion on the following probabilities:
a. The video was made in Afghanistan or Pakistan and therefore was likely shot in PAL standard format
b. The video that was delivered to him is now in NTSC digital format, so at some point it was likely converted from PAL to an NTSC
c. If one assumes that linear interpolation was used to sample down the PAL image to fit the NTSC format, and since scaling the vertical dimension of the video appropriately reestablishes the known proportions of the people who are purported to appear in the video, then he personally finds that sufficient confirmation that this process (or a similar process) was indeed applied to the original video causing it to be out of proportion in the vertical dimension.
Basically, the reason why Osama bin Laden looks fat in the video, and in some frames particularly fat, is because of the camera angle, shadowing and lighting, and the fact that the PAL to NTSC conversion squashed the vertical by 17 percent while the horizontal proportion remained the same as the original.
Tremblay has provided approximately 25 corrected frames to the Muckraker Report that demonstrate clearly that this PAL / NTSC conversion created the �fat� Osama bin Laden. The following conversion then corrected aspect images came from the frame 50 minutes 45 seconds into the C-SPAN video that Maher Osseiran provided.
Finally, with the aspect corrected, the dimensional features of Osama bin Laden match other known images of him as illustrated in Figure 9. The image on the right is from the C-SPAN video with a corrected aspect. The facial features scale and align. This is Osama bin Laden.
t is Osama bin Laden, as well as Suleiman Abu Ghaith, Khaled Al-Harbi, and Ayman Al-Zawahiri in this video. The video was most likely taped on September 26, 2001. The taping was a sting operation that involved U.S. and Saudi and/or Pakistani intelligence � which means that the United States had Osama bin Laden in its sights prior to the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan but passed on capturing or killing him in favor of invading. This is paramount! If bin Laden would have been captured or killed prior to the invasion of Afghanistan there would have no justification remaining to invade Afghanistan. If the independent media can further substantiate the actual taping date and that the taping was indeed part of a sting operation � what we will have on our hands is a provably case of high treason against the Bush Administration that will not be easily dismissed.
http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id372.html
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X It's cool, Donny. I've long since grown used to your childish ridicule and I've long lost any expectations of your understanding any of this |
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| Originally posted by donnybrasco ^^^Why is my hypothesis any less valid than yours? |
i would like a refutation of what i posted thanks 
Top U.S. Bin Laden Expert: Confession Video �Bogus�
by Kevin Barrett, http://mujca.com
2/17/06
Was Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11?
The Bush Administration says yes, citing a grainy, badly-edited videotape that surfaced in December, 2001. In that tape, a fat guy who vaguely resembles Bin Laden chortles about the success of the 9/11 attacks. (In earlier interviews, Bin Laden had denied responsibility for 9/11, once even deploring the loss of civilian life in the attacks and calling them un-Islamic.)
Is the famous �confession video� genuine? Despite Bush�s insistence that the tape is authentic, America�s top academic Bin Laden expert has finally gone on the record, joining numerous other experts.
�It�s bogus,� says Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University�s Religious Studies program.
Lawrence, author of Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden, offered his historic debunking of the administration�s lie in an interview with Kevin Barrett (�Dynamic Duo,� gcnlive.com, 2/16/2007, first hour). The interview marked Lawrence�s first major public statement since he made headlines last year by suggesting that recent Osama tapes are hoaxes and that the real Osama Bin Laden may be dead.
Why has the Bush Administration been lying for more than five years by telling us that this preposterously bad hoax is a genuine �confession video�? Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence apparatus�s Bin Laden units, said that everyone knows the tape is fake, adding that the hoax has been kept alive because it is politically useful to those who wish to deflect attention from
�conspiracy theories� about 9/11.
If Professor Lawrence is right�and anyone with eyes can see that he is, simply by comparing the overweight impostor in the Fatty Bin Laden bogus confession video to other pictures of Osama Bin Laden�the Bush Administration, by repeatedly citing the tape as authentic, is clearly guilty of obstruction of justice at best, high treason and conspiracy to mass murder at worst. Since the FBI now tells us that Osama Bin Laden is �not wanted for 9/11� because there is �no hard evidence� connecting him to the 9/11 attacks, and since US intelligence personnel all know the �confession tape� is a Bush Administration hoax, it should not be difficult to nail the perpetrators of this outrageous cover-up of the crime of the century.
It is time for Congress or an appropriate judicial authority to mount an investigation of the Fatty Bin Laden bogus confession video.
Where did this tape come from? Who was responsible for the
administration�s claim that it is authentic, despite widespread knowledge in relevant intelligence agencies that it is bogus? If Bruce Lawrence is correct in asserting that US intelligence personnel know the tape is fake, we need to put them, along with Bush and Cheney, under oath and find out why our government has been lying so outrageously for more than five years in order to obstruct justice by shielding the real perpetrators of 9/11.
Please email your congressional representatives with the subject header �investigate bogus Bin Laden �confession video� NOW!� and include a copy of this article in the body of the message.
You can listen to the interview if you buy a subscription to GCN Radio, or the interview might be linked on the sample page in a couple of months.
It is also worth noting that Professor Lawrence said the same thing to Professor Steven Jones early last summer.
Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks
DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.
In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.
"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.
"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.
Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden's denial, President Bush said, "No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that."
Since Tuesday's terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.
Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.
Bin Laden's campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait -- a military presence that has become permanent.
In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an "occupation of the land of the holy places."
Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center's landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.
The Taliban -- the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 -- denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.
The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country's rightful government.
A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.
The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/...binladen.denial
Usama bin Laden Says the Al-Qa'idah Group had Nothing to Do with the 11 September Attacks
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/obl_int.htm
Interview published in newspaper Ummat Karachi, 28th September, 2001
The Al-Qaidah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usama bin Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat. Usama bin Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret services were behind the attacks, and to express gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging Pakistan�s people to jihad against the West. The following is the text of an interview conducted by a "special correspondent", published in the Pakistani newspaper Ummat on 28 September, place and date of interview not given.
UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be? Usama bin Laden
USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.
The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. itself considers them as its enemies.
The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American-Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.
Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.
UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qa'idah declare a jihad against these Islamic countries as well?
USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam say and what do the enemies of Islam want. Al-Qa'idah was set up to wage a jihad against infidelity, particularly to counter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared pillar of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words of Islam ("There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God"), prayers, fasting (in Ramadan), pilgrimage to Mecca and giving alms (zakat).] Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jihad. Al-Qa'idah wants to keep jihad alive and active and make it a part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country. We do not consider a war against an Islamic country as jihad. We are in favour of armed jihad only against those infidel governments, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic Shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful] Muhammad Omar [leader of the Taleban] and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jihad. We are grateful to them.
UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S. is not too difficult. U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is Al-Qa'idah not targeting their economic pillars?
USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in the control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid down by them. So the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word.
UMMAT: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, urging the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV channels.
USAMA BIN LADEN: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim World but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.
UMMAT: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is being received from your sources about the network of Al-Qa'idah and its jihadi successes. Would you comment?
USAMA BIN LADEN: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jihad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause. The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.
UMMAT: What will be the impact of the freeze of Al-Qa'idah accounts by the U.S.?
USAMA BIN LADEN: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qa'idah or other jihad groups. With the grace of Allah, Al-Qa'idah has more than three alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jihad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path. These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qa'idah comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.
UMMAT: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jihad?
USAMA BIN LADEN: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jihadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am a helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usama but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging a jihad can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad was still present when there was no Usama and it will remain as such even when Usama is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property and children. Believe it, through jihad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the life after death. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.
UMMAT: What do you say about the Pakistan Government policy on Afghanistan attack?
USAMA BIN LADEN: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedeen (freedom fighters) and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jihad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best of all jihads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.
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Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan - Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7. Source: BBC Monitoring Service.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_ummat.htm
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Top U.S. Bin Laden Expert: Confession Video �Bogus� by Kevin Barrett, http://mujca.com 2/17/06 Was Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11? The Bush Administration says yes, citing a grainy, badly-edited videotape that surfaced in December, 2001. In that tape, a fat guy who vaguely resembles Bin Laden chortles about the success of the 9/11 attacks. (In earlier interviews, Bin Laden had denied responsibility for 9/11, once even deploring the loss of civilian life in the attacks and calling them un-Islamic.) Is the famous �confession video� genuine? |
bin laden video meeting 9/11 hijackers
video of Bin Laden taking responsibility
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Top U.S. Bin Laden Expert: Confession Video �Bogus� by Kevin Barrett, http://mujca.com 2/17/06 Was Osama Bin Laden responsible for 9/11? The Bush Administration says yes, citing a grainy, badly-edited videotape that surfaced in December, 2001. In that tape, a fat guy who vaguely resembles Bin Laden chortles about the success of the 9/11 attacks. (In earlier interviews, Bin Laden had denied responsibility for 9/11, once even deploring the loss of civilian life in the attacks and calling them un-Islamic.) Is the famous �confession video� genuine? |
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| Originally posted by donnybrasco LOL!!!!!! Dude, COME ON!! You're the biggest fan of grainy, poorly edited videos!! And NOW you choose not to believe them, only when they don't suit your P.O.V.?? Seriously, Trancer; I'm laughing at you, not with you. |
BTW - I tend to watch those videos for the information contained therein, not for their illustrious production quality. I know that's probably very difficult for you to understand but it's a fact.
I wonder why we've never heard anything else about that explosives laden truck or van from 9/11?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ10BXZAjDE
Kevin Barrett: Media are ignoring 9/11 whistle-blowers
Letter to the editor � 1/26/2008 8:31 am
Dear Editor: I am out of a job because The Capital Times and other mainstream media outlets refuse to report the news.
As a scholar, my job is to seek and report the truth, no matter where it leads. That is also the job of the media.
Along with hundreds of other scholars, engineers, architects, and former high-level military, intelligence and executive branch officials (patriotsquestion911.com), I have pointed out that the official story of 9/11 is a ridiculous fairy tale, contradicted at every turn by overwhelming evidence. But rather than reporting on all of these people, and investigating the evidence they cite, the media singled me out for vicious attacks, up to and including a death threat from Bill O'Reilly.
Recently, the former president of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, stated publicly that the global intelligence community and the democratic forces in Europe know that the CIA and Mossad perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. Why wasn't that front page headlines?
Last week, the probable next prime minister of Japan, Yukihisa Fujita, grilled current prime minister Fukuda for half an hour about the controlled demolition of the World Trade Center and the staged events at the Pentagon and asked whether the Japanese police could arrest George W. Bush for his complicity in 9/11. Why wasn't that front page news? Japan, after all, is the world's second-largest economy, and if they are pulling the plug not just on financing the Iraq and Afghan wars, but the whole U.S. economy, because they know this country is led by 9/11 war criminals, maybe the American people should hear about it.
Also last week FBI whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds, who has implicated leading neocon ex-members of the Bush administration in the financing and coverup of 9/11, made front page headlines in the UK. Why won't the U.S. media cover Edmonds, the most gagged whistle-blower in U.S. history?
Why have the media refused to report on the 120+ senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement and government officials, 290+ engineers and architects, 60+ pilots and aviation professionals, 190+ professors, and 200+ 9/11 survivors and family members who have publicly blasted the official 9/11 fairy tale -- many of them openly calling 9/11 an inside job?
As for me, my reputation has been ruined, at least in the eyes of the fewer and fewer people naive enough to believe the mainstream media. I can no longer practice my chosen profession, in training for which I invested more than 10 years of my life and tens of thousands of dollars, because the media singled me out for distorted coverage -- while ignoring the hundreds of others vastly more qualified than I am who say the same things and refusing to investigate the evidence they cite.
Kevin Barrett
Lone Rock
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/letters/269331
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Recently, the former president of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, stated publicly that the global intelligence community and the democratic forces in Europe know that the CIA and Mossad perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. Why wasn't that front page headlines? |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN this is simply not true. read the ORIGINAL quote (not the edited one from the truthers) and its obvious all cossiga was doing was mocking the far left in italy. its amazing what passes for "information" in the desperate world of a truther. |
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| ITALIAN SAYS 9-11 SOLVED It�s common knowledge, he reveals, CIA, Mossad behind terror attacks By the Staff of American Free Press Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy�s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera: �All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe�know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part � in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.� Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992. Cossiga�s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and �80s. Gladio�s specialty was to carry out what they termed �false flag� operations�terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition. In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, �You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force � the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.� Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9-11 in 2001, and is quoted by 9-11 researcherWebster Tarpley saying �The mastermind of the attack must have been a sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.� Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga�s assertion that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge among global intelligence agencies is illuminating. It is one more eye-opening confirmation that has not been mentioned by America�s propaganda machine in print or on TV. Nevertheless, because of his experience and status in the world, Cossiga cannot be discounted as a crackpot. (Issue #52, December 24, 2007) Not Copyrighted. Readers can reprint and are free to redistribute - as long as full credit is given to American Free Press - 645 Pennsylvania Avenue SE, Suite 100 Washington, D.C. 20003 |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z What the "original quote" supposed to be |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo From circles around Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is testified from the fact that Osama bin Laden in it 'confessed' that Al Qaeda would have been the author of the attack of the 11 September to the Twin Towers in New York, while all of the democratic circles of America and of Europe, with in the forefront those of the Italian centre-left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan. For this, no word of solidarity arrived to Silvio Berlusconi, who has been the author of the brilliant falsification, neither from the Quirinale, nor from Palazzo Chigi, nor from representatives of the centre-left!" he's giving an opinion of the democrat left/liberals, not his own. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo PrisonPlanet.com owns yoo. |
thanks for saving me the time Q5! and yes, he was merely mocking the centre left in his own country.
the most telling difference between the articles is that the prisonplanet version replaces (something like) "the left in italy" with "intelligence services in europe" which is just more dishonesty.
what is also removed from the troofer version is him talking about a soon to be released exclusive video that pieces 9/11 together and shows the US was behind it. no video of course has surfaced, cossiga is merely mocking the progressives in the country. cossiga is a centre-right in case nobody knew.
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Now run along and go back to being Dick and Bush's tool. |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN thanks for saving me the time Q5! and yes, he was merely mocking the centre left in his own country. the most telling difference between the articles is that the prisonplanet version replaces (something like) "the left in italy" with "intelligence services in europe" which is just more dishonesty. what is also removed from the troofer version is him talking about a soon to be released exclusive video that pieces 9/11 together and shows the US was behind it. no video of course has surfaced, cossiga is merely mocking the progressives in the country. cossiga is a centre-right in case nobody knew. that's an interesting comment coming from someone that posts an incorrect and incomplete translation from prisonplanet or similar, and takes it at face value without checking up on it first. tsk tsk. everybody in italy knew what cossiga was saying, its only the 911 americans that are struggling. all that stuff that is added about "an honest politician" is just nonsense, as evidenced by his role in the blakops of NATO that he helped set up. ive been waiting for a retraction from cossiga to end all doubt for your side, but im still waiting. dont worry, when and if it comes you'll be the first to know! |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z Christ... APF is NOT "prison planet." That was just Q and his typical antics. |
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Please don't stay out of my interaction with Q, it doesn't concern you and I'm only warning you once. Don't blame me for treating you equally harshly next time. |
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Secondly, it's an APF atricle and the full quote didn't really change a thing about the "selective wording" in the APF article. |
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These prison planet/tin foil hat/conspiracy nut/whatever non sequiturs aren't only getting old and midly irritating, but you're also initiating a noticable decline in the quality of discourse and dragging it down further than the standard already is around here. |
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Don't bitch about it later after provocing a sharp response to begin with to something that was nothing more than a mere comment or post. |
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Talk about reactionary responses. If you want to be a troll, that up to you. |
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On a more positive note, I fianlly got done with that damn project and my code is working flawlessly . |
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