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I also love the fact that there's completel silence over Mossad agents recording and celebrating the twin tower collapse, who were consequently arrested by the FBI only to be ordered to be released the next day to return to Israel. "What the fuck where you doing?" "Uhh, we were ummm... 'documenting' the event." Yeah... right... ******s. Even Fox fucking News ran this story and it was, ofcourse, pulled off the air and their website the very next day. But... just move along, nothing to see here lol. Only one nation has benefited enourmously from 9-11 so far, Israel. So yes, it's not exactly an "inside job."

EDIT: Another interesting coincidence is how Mossad agents were trailing the supposed hijackers months before 9-11.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I also love the fact that there's completel silence over Mossad agents recording and celebrating the twin tower collapse, who were consequently arrested by the FBI only to be ordered to be released the next day to return to Israel. "What the fuck where you doing?" "Uhh, we were ummm... 'documenting' the event." Yeah... right... ******s. Even Fox fucking News ran this story and it was, ofcourse, pulled off the air and their website the very next day. But... just move along, nothing to see here lol. Only one nation has benefited enourmously from 9-11 so far, Israel. So yes, it's not exactly an "inside job." EDIT: Another interesting coincidence is how Mossad agents were trailing the supposed hijackers months before 9-11.

well, at least this post is 100x more important and compelling than some disingeuous non-sequitur that has been explained a billion times, like trancer-x idiotic gif ^^

i mean, how retarded do you have to be to post nonsense like that?

though really shaolin, i cant see israel planning an attack on their only ally in the whole world

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, at least this post is 100x more important and compelling than some disingeuous non-sequitur that has been explained a billion times, like trancer-x idiotic gif ^^ i mean, how retarded do you have to be to post nonsense like that? though really shaolin, i cant see israel planning an attack on their only ally in the whole world

But Israel already has in the past, and completely gotton away with it

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=&pagenumber=19

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ght=USS+Liberty

http://www.gtr5.com/



The crew members have only been trying to bring the issue to light for 40+ years and actually see justice servred. The "Jewish" or Israeli lobby rather has a pretty firm grip over this nation. Israel is also the only nation on earth to get away with a war crime against US personel and an act of War. The reason why it's so easy to silence any issue regarding Israel or anything remotely "Jewish" is because just about everyone is scared shitless to be labeled and crucified as an "anti-semite." As far as politics go, that's a stain you can never really wash off. As long as people don't get over the holocaust guilt complex, Israel / Zionist Jews have plenty of leverage they will continue to use and abuse.

@ PKC: I have to admit, the one thing that really bothered me about the "inside job" theory was not that I didn't thing the power that be in Washington aren't cruel and evil enough to orchestrate something like that, but the fact that it takes a LOT of balls and political will to do something that risky.

thanks for that shaolin, that was really interesting. still, it doesn't explain how israel managed to swindle osama and his 19 hijackers into thinking it was their own plan

and im still far from convinced that israel would mount such an attack as we saw on 911. not against the US. not credible imo.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Thirdly, maybe a half-cocked retard like yourself can't comprehend something this simple, but there's no direct correlation between not being a neocon whore and visiting prisonplanet.com. Perhaps you didn't understand it that time eigther, so let me clarify it for you once again; your childish stereo-types are not only false but also quite unoriginal and boring. Now run along and go back to being Dick and Bush's tool.

thats great and all but the clear fact is now that if it wasn't for, basically two complete strangers like me and PKC, you'd still be parroting the troother lost-in-translation line that Francesco Cossiga was describing himself. i mean how fuckin maleable are you dude?

troothers, man, i swear. you wanna talk about being someone's tool

informationclearinghouse.com owns yoo.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X

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I35
NEVER FORGET...NO PLANE HIT THIS BRIDGE!!!

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Originally posted by Q5echo rebuttal: I35 NEVER FORGET...NO PLANE HIT THIS BRIDGE!!!

Hey Q, I'd like to challenge you to take a look at the other side of the argument for the things you believe (in this case rather exoteric...) and come up with a good reason why it COULD be true.

And I'd also like to challenge Trancer to come with some reasons why these events might be just as we've been told, and that conspiracies are unfortunate offsprings of the haphazard nature of the event.

All I really know right now is that my government somehow allowed my hometown (or what once was...) to be subjected to a VERY rudimentary "attack" not once, but twice. I mean, I was standing on the roof of my building when the second airplane hit the second tower... it's just unbelievable.

It really just goes to show just how confused and unprepared we really are for any number of a myriad of possible "issues" that could threaten our stability both as a nation and a species. Hurricane Katrina was icing on the cake, since it's the same exact level of unpreparedness replaying itself, except without the ability to point fingers at the cause.

I don't know guys. What's the deal?

Why are we ramping up security so intensely in the homeland if these things are still happening?

I was driving home a few weeks ago down route 1 and saw a burned up bus in the middle of the road, that looked like it had been blown up by a bomb... it wasn't even on the news or in the local papers.

Do we have reason to be afraid because the government is so inept and so ready to withhold information from us?

Where do we draw the line between information we need to know and information we don't? Who is drawing this line, and are they really as uneducated as the events would paint them to be?

Give me some hope!

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Originally posted by Q5echo rebuttal: I35 NEVER FORGET...NO PLANE HIT THIS BRIDGE!!!

Did they find molten metal in the sub-basement of that bridge six weeks after it's collapse?



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Originally posted by Trancer-X Did they find molten metal in the sub-basement of that bridge six weeks after it's collapse?

WTC 7? or the twin towers? pick one and fucking stick with it.

...and if you find yourself having substitute one building for the other buildings in this particular argument in order keep supporting your argument...find the nearest heavy blunt object and pummel yourself with it.

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Originally posted by Q5echo WTC 7? or the twin towers? pick one and fucking stick with it. ...and if you find yourself having substitute one building for the other buildings in this particular argument in order keep supporting your argument...find the nearest heavy blunt object and pummel yourself with it.

There was molten metal under all three. Do your homework before you open your big effing mouth, dumbass

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Hey Q, I'd like to challenge you to take a look at the other side of the argument for the things you believe (in this case rather exoteric...) and come up with a good reason why it COULD be true. And I'd also like to challenge Trancer to come with some reasons why these events might be just as we've been told, and that conspiracies are unfortunate offsprings of the haphazard nature of the event. All I really know right now is that my government somehow allowed my hometown (or what once was...) to be subjected to a VERY rudimentary "attack" not once, but twice. I mean, I was standing on the roof of my building when the second airplane hit the second tower... it's just unbelievable. It really just goes to show just how confused and unprepared we really are for any number of a myriad of possible "issues" that could threaten our stability both as a nation and a species. Hurricane Katrina was icing on the cake, since it's the same exact level of unpreparedness replaying itself, except without the ability to point fingers at the cause. I don't know guys. What's the deal? Why are we ramping up security so intensely in the homeland if these things are still happening? I was driving home a few weeks ago down route 1 and saw a burned up bus in the middle of the road, that looked like it had been blown up by a bomb... it wasn't even on the news or in the local papers. Do we have reason to be afraid because the government is so inept and so ready to withhold information from us? Where do we draw the line between information we need to know and information we don't? Who is drawing this line, and are they really as uneducated as the events would paint them to be? Give me some hope!

things built to defy gravity tend to fall down sometimes.

people determined to blow things out of the sky tend to do just that.

levies built to protect large cities that exist 10ft below sea level (right next to the sea no less) sometimes fail under stress and put that entire city 10ft underwater in a matter of hours.

there are MANY people constantly drawing lines for you to pay attention to, but you are not intended to know everything about everything just as much as you are supposed to know absolutely nothing. YOU have to make judgement calls, and most of the time those calls require you to trust someone elses judgement. you can't escape that social inevitabilty.

i am tempted to believe the "government" is witholding information from me all the time hoewever we live at a time where, if information was a commodity, the market would be flooded like a Louisiana parish. it's up to me determine what i'm supposed to know and thats almost too easy today.

so, IMO, try not to blame others for what you think you should know and don't. thats futile and most of the time we're wrong anyway when we run around blaming others completely missing what we wanted to know in the first place.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X There was molten metal under all three. Do your homework before you open your big effing mouth, dumbass

don't start lying dude. c'mon.

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JONES: But they admit there's only a low probability, and if you look at the collapse, you see what I have studied is the fall time, the symmetry, the fact that it first dips in the middle. That's called the kink. Which is very characteristic, of course, of controlled demolition. CARLSON: Professor, I am sorry that we are out of time ... JONES: Whoa, one other thing I want to mention. CARLSON: Ok. If you can hit it - hit it quickly. JONES: OK. All right. Here we go. Molten metal in the basements of all three buildings. CARLSON: Right. JONES: And yet all scientists now reasonably agree that the fires were not sufficiently hot to melt the steel, so what is this molten metal? It's direct evidence for the use of high-temperature explosives, such as thermite, which produces molten iron as an end product. CARLSON: OK. JONES: It's very short time, but people will read the paper, then I talk about the molten metal, the symmetry of the collapse, and the weaknesses and inadequacies of the fire hypothesis. CARLSON: Professor, we are going to have to leave it to our viewers who are interested enough to follow up to do just that. We appreciate you coming on, even if I don't understand your theories, we appreciate you trying to explain them. Thanks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10053445/

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Langewiesche explored the shifting debris with construction workers and engineers, documenting the crises and questions as they arose. He crawled through "the pile" with survey parties and descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams. He interviewed hundreds of people, from ironworkers and city managers to architects and doctors. What he witnessed in his reporting, Langewiesche says, was "uniquely American improvisation on an enormous scale."

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200207/77nwash

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Turner himself crawled through an opening and down crumpled stairwells to the subway, five levels below ground. He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow�molten metal dripping from a beam�but found no signs of life. Back on the surface, he knew there had been a breakthrough in trust when he heard a New York firefighter shout, "Hey, we need a yellow shirt over here."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/9_11/a...911memories.htm

so Steven Jones says there was molten metal under WTC 7. ok great. so?

look i don't doubt for a minute there was molten metal at the bottom of the WTC wreckage weeks after the collapse. even WTC 7.

none of that means the WTC buildings was brought down by explosives and to this day no one knows why I35W bridge collapsed but we can independently and scientifically break down the mechanics of why WTC 7 collapsed without explosives

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Originally posted by Trancer-X http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200207/77nwash

nowhere does it describe WTC 7.

so far, as far as i can see, your making it up.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X http://www.usnews.com/usnews/9_11/a...911memories.htm

nowhere does it describe WTC 7.

so far, as far as i can see, your making it up...again

yeah, the whole molten metal think has been debunked numerous times, and the troofers deliberately ignore the sheer volumes of thermite that would be needed to continue burning for 6 weeks. there is no evidence that it was molten iron, which is what thermite produces.

anywayz Q5, here's a lovely peer-reviewed analysis of the WTC7.

http://www.structuremag.org/Archive...lsanz-Nov07.pdf

more "shills" at work no doubt.

no answer yet.

Trancer-X is probably pummeling himself like i instructed.

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Originally posted by Q5echo no answer yet. Trancer-X is probably pummeling himself like i instructed.

If you shoved all the molten steel from underneath every WTC building up your idiotic ass you still probably wouldn't know where it was, Q

Pummeling? I was just finishing my beer

you can argue all of the little details that you want but the fact of the matter is that the NIST report says that the steel never even got hot enough to melt (but which it apparently did)

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"If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you?" - Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/...20Lankford.html

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