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http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_d...ssion_0228.html

More proof that we never got the full story on what really happened that day.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_d...ssion_0228.html More proof that we never got the full story on what really happened that day.

that source is hardly proof! some of you people are too easily persuaded by opinions (which are almost always based on suspect evidenc) and stories from questionable "news" sources. furthermore, while i didn't read the entire post, i did read the part about one of the hijackers having tickets to go elsewhere. what exactly does that prove besides that he was covering his tracks?

ZERO : Europe for an Independent Inquiry into 9/11



On Tuesday 26th February, Europarlementarian Guilietto Chiesa invited his colleagues and the press to attend the screening and debate of the Italian-produced documentary named ‘ZERO, an investigation into the events of 9/11’. Object of the screening was to create political awareness of the faulty official investigation into the events by the 9/11 Commission.

Besides Mr Chiesa, the panel consisted of Japanese parlementarian Fujita, Dr David Ray Griffin, film distributor Tim Sparke & the director and producers of the film.

http://www.markdermul.be/911/zero.htm

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN

thats beautiful.

f**kin terrorists.

no meeting involving Griffin is even remotely important.

and Fujita is a fucking moron:

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�I work for several Japanese NGO�s and one of those people showed me some videos and books. At first I couldn�t believe it. So I saw Loose Change and read Dr Griffin�s books.

even dylan avery admits his films are full of wrong information.

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And last year a good friend of mine who has a very high position at the German national bank told me about the put options that were placed on American Airlines and United Airlines.

which is a known fallacy, look at a post from occrider on the subject, possibly in this thread.

how are we meant to take idiots like this seriously?

griffin:

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�Well, one very important one is the alleged Barbara Olsen phone call. Ted Olsen at the time claimed he had been called by his wife twice on 9/11, thus establishing the fact that American Airlines 77 was in fact hijacked by men with Middle Eastern looks. First he claimed it was a cell phone call. Later he changed his story to seatback phone. But when a German journalist got Boeing to confirm that on this type of flight there were no seatback phones, Olsen changed his story back to call phone. Now, you might think �oh, so he got it right the first time�, but� At the Moussaoui trial an FBI-report showed that there was never any connection between Barbara Olsen and her husband. No cell phone calls were ever made from that flight (Dr Griffin gave three more examples, contradiction with regards to the whereabouts of General Meyers, the highest ranking military officer on 9/11, the timeline of Dick Cheney�s activities and the question about why the Pentagon was not evacuated when the Doomsday plane, shown on CNN, was actually in the air over Washington � ed. note)!

hahahahahahahahahaahahaha. yes, ted olsen is lying about speaking to his wife.

what we've got here is nothing new, just the same tired lies we hear over and over again.

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(True to form, the Belgian media didn�t publish or broadcast any of this debate on this or the following day, even thought this debate took place inside the European Parliament � ed. note)

precisely. nobody cares.

oh, and here is the evidence that griffin is just a fucking lying piece of shit.

the cell phone myth debunked

how someone so dishonest can fool so many of you idiotic turds is beyond me.

Planting charges:



Just look at his eye.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN oh, and here is the evidence that griffin is just a fucking lying piece of shit. the cell phone myth debunked how someone so dishonest can fool so many of you idiotic turds is beyond me.

LOL, yes, anyone agreeing with you is just a "lying piece of shit" or "intellectually dishonest" right PKC?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Planting charges: Just look at his eye.

Your data is flawed... take note of the date, "3 May 2002." The tower's collapsed on 11 Sep 2001. Plus, Spidey's a good guy, not a goverment or CIA asset. That's two completely false pieces of data asserting an argument that is even more flawed. Clearly, you're incapable of seeing through goverment propaganda. I'm just curious why PKC hasn't jumped on you yet for being a "lying peice of shit" and "intellectualy dishonest" ?

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Originally posted by Q5echo thats beautiful. f**kin terrorists.

Tell me about it, but why are you rabidly supporting their policies if you're so pissed at the culprits ?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, yes, anyone agreeing with you is just a "lying piece of shit" or "intellectually dishonest" right PKC?

no, just 911 troofers. if you'd bothered to look at ANY of the research/explanations from the other side of the fence you would see david griffin is nothing but an opportunistic fuckwit endeavouring to sell his books.

if he's not a liar then he's deliberately keeping the actual facts far away from his research, which amounts to the same thing. the fact he's still banging on about things that have been shown to be untrue really pisses me off, and it should you too. that is, if you really ARE someone committed to finding the truth.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, just 911 troofers. if you'd bothered to look at ANY of the research/explanations from the other side of the fence you would see david griffin is nothing but an opportunistic fuckwit endeavouring to sell his books. if he's not a liar then he's deliberately keeping the actual facts far away from his research, which amounts to the same thing. the fact he's still banging on about things that have been shown to be untrue really pisses me off, and it should you too. that is, if you really ARE someone committed to finding the truth.

All "proofs" are based on a set of antecedents. If the credibility of the set is highly questionable to begin with, I wouldn't consider an argument based on it to be a proof of anything whatsoever. The application of inductive reasoning to a weak set at best will give you a weak argument. In contrast, a set of mostly true antecedents, or a subset of that containing entirely true antecedents via the application of inductive reasoning does result in a strong argument. It's not an "absolute" of course, as it's still inductive in nature and not deductive. Also, take note of the fact that even in the case of deductive reasoning (which doesn't apply to a set of questionable antecedents), the fundamental underlying antecedents it boils down to are still nothing more than assumptions, with no genuine validity is a logical framework .

Your entire statement and argument is based on misuage of semantics and phrases virtually analagous to the term "proof." Clearly, that's "intellectually dishonest" as it doesn't even apply in a situation like this .

sorry, i dont speak spanish.


if you have an argument as to why you think griffin isnt a lying sack of shit, feel free to explain yourself.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN sorry, i dont speak spanish. if you have an argument as to why you think griffin isnt a lying sack of shit, feel free to explain yourself.

�Qu�?

Logic is "spanish" to most people , and they can't really critically think on their own as they simply lack the faculties, or have been trained to be quite irrational.

The Canadian Broadcasting Corp. takes a look at the 911 Truth Movement. . .

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Originally posted by Krypton The Canadian Broadcasting Corp. takes a look at the 911 Truth Movement. . . [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

CBC rocks!!!

And so do hot French actresses.

Marion Cotillard's 9/11 conspiracy theory


The 32-year-old French star has swept this year�s best actress awards, also receiving a Bafta, Golden Globe and a C�sar for her performance as singer Edith Piaf in La Vie en Rose.




Miss Cotillard, who earned under �1 million in 2007, could expect her Oscar success to significantly increase her earning power. She is due to start filming Public Enemies with Johnny Depp.

But the actress faces a potential backlash in the US over comments she made in an interview in France. Footage which surfaced on the internet showed her questioning the New York terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, and the 1969 moon landing.

"I think we�re lied to about a number of things," she said, singling out September 11.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...otillard101.xml

singers, actresses and still no engineers.

who gives a fuck what some moronic french actress thinks? i mean really. its getting ridiculous now.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN

haha...good stuff...where do you people find these things?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 haha...good stuff...where do you people find these things?

hehe, that's from maddox's best page in the universe

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Originally posted by culorut ZERO : Europe for an Independent Inquiry into 9/11 On Tuesday 26th February, Europarlementarian Guilietto Chiesa invited his colleagues and the press to attend the screening and debate of the Italian-produced documentary named ‘ZERO, an investigation into the events of 9/11’. Object of the screening was to create political awareness of the faulty official investigation into the events by the 9/11 Commission. Besides Mr Chiesa, the panel consisted of Japanese parlementarian Fujita, Dr David Ray Griffin, film distributor Tim Sparke & the director and producers of the film. http://www.markdermul.be/911/zero.htm

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN

in-f**king-credible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i've never seen a more egregious display of pure arrogance and denial.

EDIT> oh wait!

You two morons cannot be serious, the only thing Chiesa has wrong in this video is that he does not go far enough.

Some more info from the Amsterdam meeting, and guess what PKC? Fujita is coming to Sydney just for you very soon.

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