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Originally posted by djSlain why is marijuana illegal? Because it's so great? Why not make me illegal since i'm so great. In fact, keep saying my name and raise a fist in the air because Mr Slain is part of a new revolution, the Anti Druggie movement, we actually have girlfriends and we don't need weed to impress crackwhores

Well I've only recently been looking at this thread, so Ill just throw in my 2 cents.

I certainly respect your decision not to smoke but your views on marijuana are both hilariously ignorant and moronic. Your obviously uneducated, a brainwashed product of the American anti-drug campaign. I know many people who smoke weed who dont sit in basements all day, slacking, shooting their friends, and wasting away their lives. Are there people that do this? Yes. But I know many people who drink alcohol but are still successful, healthy, responsible people. I also unfortunately know some severe alcoholics who drink themselves into a stupor every day, to the point that their health is going completely down the drain, their social lives have crumbled, and they've lost all touch with reality and common sense. I know people who eat fast food, donuts, soda, and other american shit-foods, but are still slim and generally healthy. I also know some who just never eat right and never exercise enough, and thus are obese.

Ben Franklin once said "Everything in moderation." These are probably some of the wisest words ever said. You can overdo ANYTHING to the point where its unhealthy. Hell, you can keep drinking water until all potassium and electrolytes are flushed from your body and your dead.

Illegializing drugs is moronic. I certainly dont condone those really powerful drugs like crack and heroin, but I 100% beleive your body belongs to YOU and NO ONE ELSE, and if you want to put something into it you have every right to do so. NO ONE should be able to tell you otherwise. I dont understand how we can illegailize drugs but turn around and allow cigerettes and alcohol which have probably killed more or ruined more lives than weed could ever hope to. Believe me, Ive been around cigerette smokers, alcoholics, and weed smokers all my life.

Not to mention what a joke the "War on Drugs" is. Just look at how well prohibition played over. I heard that 40% of prisoners in America are held for weed charges. Thats ridiculous. Why not let them go and make room for the REAL criminals; murderers, rapists, con artists, and the rest. And no, your not supporting international terrorism. Your SUV does a better job at that then a bag of weed.

So then djSlain, can you REALLY tell me you dont drink alcohol (not even a tiny drop, ever), eat junkfood (donuts, soda, chocolate, ANY procssed sugar or fast foods), smoke cigerettes, stay up past 10pm, party all night and sleep all day.... anything that might be slightly adverse to your health? Until you can, your a hypocrit. Theres nothing wrong with enjoying yourself and enjoying life and splurging once and a while. Everything in moderation. (except cigerettes imo, nasty things, I'll never understand them. But I still support your right to smoke em)

i guess all ladies have an excuse to cut themselves now. u know, just as long as they do it responsibly with water and mcdonalds napkins and a sterilized knife. they have the risk of getting addicted and doing some real big damage, but who cares, it's their bodies.

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I heard that 40% of prisoners in America are held for weed charges

IRS fraud doesn't hurt anyone, let's put them back into the economy.

do the crime, do the time. don't like the time? don't do the crime.

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Originally posted by djSlain i guess all ladies have an excuse to cut themselves now. u know, just as long as they do it responsibly with water and mcdonalds napkins and a sterilized knife. they have the risk of getting addicted and doing some real big damage, but who cares, it's their bodies.

Its their body. If they want to do that to themselves, be my guest. I certainly dont condone it, and you probably need some serious medical help. But the point stands. And this is a far, far cry from smoking weed.

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IRS fraud doesn't hurt anyone, let's put them back into the economy.

Theres a huge difference between defruading someone and putting a substance into your own body. If you sit and home and smoke a bowl, does that effect ANYONE but yourself? No. Of course you could go out and drive while stoned and cause an accident, but thats the same reason why we have laws for DUI and such. Responsible use affects no one but yourself.

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do the crime, do the time. don't like the time? don't do the crime.

Or in this case, move to ontario. The whole point of this thread is that a government has come to its sense and has legalized marjiuana. Your negative opinions aren't of use here. And please, dont even try to tell me you've never broken the speed limit, jaywalked, downloaded mp3s or movies, or done anything remotely illegial. The laws of a nation are sometimes morally superseded by basic human intrest and common sense. In this case, that common sense is that your body belongs to you, and it is your choice what to do with it. Do you disapprove of our founding fathers then? They disagreed with unjust and stupid laws imposed on them, so they revolted, even fought and died in a war, so that they and their kids could have a better nation. Thats the very thing democracy was founded on.

Once again your analogies and ideas are baseless and ignorant. If you hate it so much, dont even waste your breath, leave us free thinkers to ourselves please

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And this is a far, far cry from smoking weed.

how? Both are potentially extremely dangerous actions that harm the body in one way or another. U simply state that weed can be done responsibly and no one will get hurt. Same with cutting. I mean, as long as u hit the meat and don't go stabbing around in important areas, it's just another harmful action that can be permitted because of a sense of responsibility. The effects of weed should washout naturally over a few hours, although i do believe it can test positive in urine drug tests over a week after the action. The cuts come and go, unless u dig deep and make scars. Dangerous activity with respsonsibility is permitted, correct?

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Theres a huge difference between defruading someone and putting a substance into your own body. If you sit and home and smoke a bowl, does that effect ANYONE but yourself? No. Of course you could go out and drive while stoned and cause an accident, but thats the same reason why we have laws for DUI and such. Responsible use affects no one but yourself.

both are illegal activities and people can be sent to jail because of it. U can smoke weed and not physically hurt anyone. defrauding people does not phsyically hurt anyone either. Should they be taken out of prison because all they did was make a deal under the table, when the police should be looking for "murderers, rapists, con artists, and the rest". People should be able to break laws without punishment just because it's this lil tiny thing? what kind of message would that send to, hmmmm, i dunno, kids and the future generations?

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Or in this case, move to ontario

I agree. Take them all, especially the people with serious problems like crystal meth. I'm tired of hearing on the news that our own government is giving clean needles to the scum of society. I'd like to see Ontario in 5 years. Take out child molesters too

12 pages? ugh...

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Both are potentially extremely dangerous actions that harm the body in one way or another. U simply state that weed can be done responsibly and no one will get hurt. Same with cutting. I mean, as long as u hit the meat and don't go stabbing around in important areas, it's just another harmful action that can be permitted because of a sense of responsibility.

Exactly! Im glad your beginning to understand . My entire point is your body is yours, do with it as you please, so long as it hurts no one else. Though there is a difference between cutting and weed, one induces a pleasant high. Maybe cutting yourself gets you off, if so then thats your own thing. But I wont touch it with a 10 foot pole . Its no different from cigerettes either. Certainly you believe those should be illegial? You ever read on some of the shit thats in them? I still beleive that you have every right to smoke them tho.

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both are illegal activities and people can be sent to jail because of it. U can smoke weed and not physically hurt anyone. defrauding people does not phsyically hurt anyone either.

Once again your missing the point like a blind person attepting archery. The huge, gaping, planet sized difference is that when you defraud someone, even though your not PHYSICALLY harming them, your still taking their money through slanderous means. You are benefiting from their loss. When you smoke weed responsibly, no one is affected but yourself. Theres no such thing as fraud without someone losing for the benefit of another.

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quote: Or in this case, move to ontario I agree. Take them all, especially the people with serious problems like crystal meth. I'm tired of hearing on the news that our own government is giving clean needles to the scum of society.

Maybe you should do some research on places like Amsterdam, where weed was decriminalized. Use of if is actually down. The same holds true for other areas that lax their posession laws. For one thing, many people do drugs only for the glamor of doing something illegial and rebellious. Take that away, and you take away a good percentiage of the drug using population. If we legalized every drug today, and then spent every dollar wasted in the "War on Drugs" for rehab clinics and public education of drugs, their effects, and potential side effects, then we would be much better off as a society.

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Originally posted by djSlain how? Both are potentially extremely dangerous actions that harm the body in one way or another. U simply state that weed can be done responsibly and no one will get hurt. Same with cutting. I mean, as long as u hit the meat and don't go stabbing around in important areas, it's just another harmful action that can be permitted because of a sense of responsibility.

Correct! should be permitted and IS permitted. Yet weed is not. Thank you for pointing out an inconsistency in the US legal system.

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The effects of weed should washout naturally over a few hours, although i do believe it can test positive in urine drug tests over a week after the action. The cuts come and go, unless u dig deep and make scars. Dangerous activity with respsonsibility is permitted, correct?

Yes. Driving, Drinking, Smoking, Hardcore Sado-masochistic practices (involving cutting), gambling, guns.... all these things are ptentially much more harmful to the individual than weed, yet they are tolerated by the law. If a "practice" is illegal, the government cannot regulate it. If it is decriminalised it becomes far easier to ensure that it is done responsibly.

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U can smoke weed and not physically hurt anyone. defrauding people does not phsyically hurt anyone either. Should they be taken out of prison because all they did was make a deal under the table, when the police should be looking for "murderers, rapists, con artists, and the rest". People should be able to break laws without punishment just because it's this lil tiny thing? what kind of message would that send to, hmmmm, i dunno, kids and the future generations?

2 points here:
1) We're talking about decriminalisation here... that is: making marijuana use not a criminal act... so using it would not be "breaking the law"... C'mon did I really need to spell that out? the word "decriminalisation" is in the thread heading FFS.... Try to think before you post next time.
2)Why reframe the argument nrjizer was making by putting in the word "physically"? That's either a cheap argumentative trick, or a display of your stupidity... Which one was it in this case djslain? Realy I'm interested...

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I agree. Take them all, especially the people with serious problems like crystal meth. I'm tired of hearing on the news that our own government is giving clean needles to the scum of society. I'd like to see Ontario in 5 years. Take out child molesters too

Surely you can't be this dumb. [sarcasm]Yeah not giving people clean needles is going to stop them using heroin.[/sarcasm]... all that'd do is increase the spread of AIDS in the US. Calling addicts "the scum of society", rather tahn seeing them as people with serious health issues demonstrates the crux of the problem with US drug policy.
As for comparing them to child molesters... Just think about it carefully I'm sure you can tell the difference b/w the two


Again in a while you'll probably say "I was just acting like a dumbasss cos its so damn fun.... but i'm still against decriminalisation of weed". That seems to me an excuse not to give your honest views, because you know that you're views are unsupportable with intelligent argumentation. Stop acting like a dumbass and give your own honest unexaggerated views... Of course I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here. I mean surely no one can be this stupid

When i give a buck or two to people who have been given an oust, i would like to think they could use my money to get them a burger and water. I don't want them using all their (actually OUR) money on their fix. Beggers, people who put themselves in these positions, their fault for "experimenting" and "curiousity" which just happened to ruin their lives. These are not the scum of society? Sorry, but here in america, we earn a living and anyone who gets themselves into stupid situations like being kicked out, prisoned, homeless, deserves no pity. But out of the goodness of my heart, i just think positive and give them their bucks and change

wow a regular Mother Teresa!

you sir have a very good heart, to give these, as you call them, scum of society who deserve no pity, some change

i try. i try. Hero? i'm no hero. i'm just doing my job.

they need to get a job in construction. that way, no one will notice they only have one outfit every day at work.

You ever think they're homeless due to problems that are beyond their control? You sound very full of yourself calling other human beings, scum.

Why are you all still arguing? It's a moot point now. It's been RE-criminalized already!

I never thought id get bored with this thread..
djslain, ur just an asshole troll (and u even admitted it), end of story.

re-criminalized? i win. u lose. give me ur minds.

btw, i know what's its like to be homeless. My family was homeless for about 6 months back when i was about 5. We didn't stoop as low to beg for other people's sympathy. begging is for losers, literally. We EARNED our way back to the top after being at the bottom. Many people are homelesss because of the drugs, and STILL do them to "walk away" from their feeble lives. it's sad but it's true. We didn't spend our money on crack or anything to forget about our troubles. We faced them head on and FUCKING WON. And if we can do it, so can all those out there. I'm not saying all of them are scum, because i know a good number of them have their priorities and responsiblities straight. The rest i just have sympathy for and hope they don't waste my dollar on some rock.
Go to Seattle Washington to see how Ontario is going to turn out. So many druggies that Seattle is spending millions of dollars trying to oust them because they are so detrimental to the eyes of tourists. no city wants to be known for its drug activities, wether it's ever going to be legal or not.

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djslain, ur just an asshole troll

my feelings are so hurt! parent conference! hehe, mr fuq.... fuq!
besides, it's recriminalized. i win. u lose. keep breaking the law and don't fucking post on this message board about "feel sorry for me. the police caught me smoking weed in Home Depot"

btw, does anyone like soft taco supreme's from Taco Bell? i was thinking about looking at some grocery stores to make my own here at home. help?

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Originally posted by djSlain Go to Seattle Washington to see how Ontario is going to turn out. So many druggies that Seattle is spending millions of dollars trying to oust them because they are so detrimental to the eyes of tourists.

Yes true... the drug problem in the US is exacerbated by its primitive, impulsive policies. If it had implemented a harm minimisation approach drug use would be lower, and the "ugly" side of drugs would be severely lessened and restricted to specific areas.

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