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Boring race 
Bring on Spa! A track where it really belongs to Schumacher as he won his first race there in '91 or something in wet conditions. So, we already know the winner. But I'm looking forward to see all the other drivers perform as this race was cancelled last year. Who knows even michael might make a mistake? 
No chance of a mistake from Michael
That was a really boring race, probably the first time I fast forwarded through a section of race (I taped it)
I reckon BAR will be lucky if that Contracts Board says that Button can't leave, otherwise you gotta say Williams is gonna have a pretty formidable team next year!!
whats the line up for tomorrow?
It got really mixed up due to some changeable conditions during qualifying and some good drives by some of the mid-range drivers
1 7 Jarno Trulli Renault 1:56.232
2 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:56.304
3 8 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:56.686
4 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 1:57.990
5 11 Giancarlo Fisichella Sauber-Petronas 1:58.040
6 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:58.175
7 14 Mark Webber Jaguar-Cosworth 1:58.729
8 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:59.008
9 17 Olivier Panis Toyota 1:59.552
10 6 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 1:59.635
11 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 1:59.681
12 9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 2:00.237
13 15 Christian Klien Jaguar-Cosworth 2:01.246
14 4 Antonio Pizzonia Williams-BMW 2:01.447
15 10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 2:01.813
16 18 Nick Heidfeld Jordan-Ford 2:02.645
17 20 Gianmaria Bruni Minardi-Cosworth 2:02.651
18 21 Zsolt Baumgartner Minardi-Cosworth 2:03.303
19 19 Giorgio Pantano Jordan-Ford 2:03.833
20 16 Ricardo Zonta Toyota 2:03.895
Does anyone remember the Spa race back in 98 when Coulthard speared off into the wall after la source and took out 60% of the field
THEN later, Schumacher crashed into him while trying to overtake him? THEN fisichella crashed into the pit wall...
NOT to mention those two awesome 180mph crashes in practice at Eau Rouge
THAT was one of the most shocking weekends ever(I wish there were more crashes like that in F1)
what an amazing GP! full of incidents and overtaking manoeuvres (gotta love Montoya)
well deserved victory for Raikkonen, he was really on it today.
Ya gotta feel sorry for Zonta, coming easy fourth only for that piece of crap Toyota to let go. That result would have been really good not only for Zonta next year but for Toyota as a team.
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| Originally posted by Trance Nutter Ya gotta feel sorry for Zonta, coming easy fourth only for that piece of crap Toyota to let go. That result would have been really good not only for Zonta next year but for Toyota as a team. |
great victory by Rubens Barrichello, finally it's his turn.
worst drivers of the day: Zsolt Baumgartner and Antonio Pizzonia
lol, dunno how many times i saw them on the grass, i completely lost count..
I only watched till Kimi retired... How come his car always breaks down?!.. 
It's also beyond me how the fuck did Ferrari manage to take the first two places? Wasn't Schumi like 20 secs behind at one point? And I thought Ruben's chances to win were over after his very early pitstop to change the tyres.
the reason is simple.. Ferrari have the best car. Michael put in a series of very quick laps after he had cleared Pizzonia. and Barrichello, who was on a three stop strategy, did the same thing after Button and Alonso had made their stops.
bleh, i was thinking button could win it, but ferrari's once again proved me wrong
did anyone see the incidence where the "track crew" denied to push Alonzo's car so he could resume driving?
hes engine was running, and his front weels was one the track...
isn't that exactly the same thing that happend last season? where the crew DID push Schumi's car...
i think a new rule was introduced this year where a driver gets penalised if the marshals help him back on the track.
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| Originally posted by _Marc Dawn_ did anyone see the incidence where the "track crew" denied to push Alonzo's car so he could resume driving? hes engine was running, and his front weels was one the track... isn't that exactly the same thing that happend last season? where the crew DID push Schumi's car... |
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| Originally posted by TOR i think a new rule was introduced this year where a driver gets penalised if the marshals help him back on the track. |
Directly from Formula1.com:
As a general rule a driver must drive the car �alone and unaided�. However, if a driver stops in a dangerous position during a race it is the responsibility of the marshals to move the car to safety as quickly as possible. This may involve assisting a driver if he is unable to drive the car.
The rule (as far as I understand it):
A driver may receive outside help if his car is in a dangerous position (eg, MSC on the edge of the track at Nurburg last year, Alonso at the edge of the track on Sunday). If his car is not in a dangerous position (eg stranded in the middle of a sand trap) he will be penalised for receiving outside help.
Using this rule (which is how Martin Brundle explained it) Alonso should have received help to remove his car from a dangerous position. There is however some ambiguity in this rule.
i remember Martin Brundle saying Alonso would be penalised if he received assistance from the marshals, but i could be wrong.
in any case, in my opinion Alonso was in a much more dangerous position than Michael Schumacher at the Nurburgring, since he was right outside of a very tight chicane. the hairpin at Nurburg is much wider and even if someone was to outbreak himself into that corner, it would have been quite easy to avoid running into Michael.
so if the rule posted above is correct, i must say i'm quite suprised the marshalls did not wish to help him out of the gravel trap.
The first bit is correct (and correlates almost exactly to the FIA rule, I checked after I posted, rule 160 I think it was), the second bit is my interpretation.
Brundle said something along the lines of: Alonso will be penalised if he receives assistance, (the camera then changed to on board), but he is in a dangerous position there.
I watched that bit today so it is pretty fresh in my memory. The Nurburg incident set a precedent of it being okay for marshals to move a car if it is in a dangerous position and allowing the driver to continue, the way I see it is that Alonso should also have been given help. If the FIA changed their interpretation after Nurburgring, thats okay, but MSC went unpunished for a similar incident so if there was no change Alonso should have been extended the same assistance.
There must have been a change of interpretation, its the only explanation as far as I can see - remember the marshals are under race control directions so it wasn't a case of it being Italian marshals.
Trulli has been sacked by Renault
Jacques Villeneuve will perform a two day test for the team at Silverstone this week and is rumored to replace Trulli for the last three races of this season.
and while we're at it, Jacques Villeneuve just signed a two year deal with Sauber.
yeah, i heard about this earlier today... about time he came back... too bad he couldn't have stayed on another year with BAR, cuz jv/jb duo would've been amazing this season...
speaking of which, BAR desparately needs some good drivers for next season since JB has decided to split... Sato is ok, but hes there more because of political reasons than anything else... wouldn't it be great if BAR acquired JPM for next season and if JB stayed on for another year, then they'd be the only ones to truly fight the ferraris really...
JPM is on his way to McLaren, so no BAR for him.
So far David Couthard hasn't found a seat for next year, he should look to BAR, I think thats really the only top driver without a seat for next year so far.
Ferrari
MSC
Rubens
Williams
Mark Webber
Jenson Button (depending on contract argument with BAR)
McLaren
Kimi
Montoya
Renault
Alonso
Fisichella
BAR
Sato
?
Sauber
Villeneuve
Massa
Toyota
Ralf
Probably Trulli
They are the line ups for next year for the top/big budget teams, really the only hole for David Coulthard is at BAR, unless he ends up somewhere like Jordan, Jaguar or leaves altogether........
according to Martin Brundle, David Coulthard is looking at Jaguar. but since Sauber confirmed Jacques Villeneuve, BAR could definitely be an option for him now.
it's a bit of a shame Jacques is on his way to Sauber, because he'll be in the same position as he was at BAR.. he may well score a couple of points, but that's about it. Sauber is not a winning team, which BAR is at the moment. maybe his difficult relationship with David Richards was the decisive factor, but still.. i can't help but feeling he would be better of at BAR.
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| Originally posted by Trance Nutter Toyota Ralf Probably Trulli |
while we're at it, there's a (unlikely?) chance Tiago Monteiro (yay, a portuguese driver) may sign for Minardi as he's their test driver. like anyone cares about Minardi 
what's happening to Cristiano da Matta? and Nick Heidfeld, he's a decent driver, won't he ever jump to a bigger team?
ah, and i saw this rumour at the newspapper that Dallara may be on their way back to F1 the following season (2006?). Also tv commentators were saying Jaguar may be renamed to Ford.
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