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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Is Call On Me and Lola's Theme your idea of a "constant flow of house records into the chart"? And a bunch of new club nights and clubs opening every month does not help if they play for half-filled (or less) venues for 2 months before closing their doors.

There hasn't been a week since June 2004 that hasn't had a house record in the Top 40. Not to mention recent and upcoming albums from Daft Punk, the Chems, Moby, The Prodigy, Fatboy Slim, Faithless etc. etc. And you're assuming that all these venues are unsuccessful, despite them reporting big attendances and growing popularity.

I've no idea what events Mylo has played since his live act has only been around for a few months, but he's played countless live gigs to date and I would be surprised if he didn't make it onto a few festival line-ups this year.

You're being unfair on epic trance, and assuming the lack of innovation is because artists are just in it for the money. So why are there no revolutions happening to prog, or hard trance, or any of the other trance related genres?

Turning back to house, the genre has led to massive financial success for years now, and yet the scene is still changing, innovating and growing, particularly with the current emphasis on guitar and rock elements. By your line of reasoning, house should have stagnated because it's easy to make money from it (which is true). And yet trance continues to drop in popularity despite the "money making" epic trance formula.

You can't blame the lack of innovation in trance on the use of big breakdowns and super-saws. If anything, I'd blame it on the massive rise in use of software to make music as opposed to hardware.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You're being unfair on epic trance, and assuming the lack of innovation is because artists are just in it for the money. So why are there no revolutions happening to prog, or hard trance, or any of the other trance related genres? You can't blame the lack of innovation in trance on the use of big breakdowns and super-saws. If anything, I'd blame it on the massive rise in use of software to make music as opposed to hardware.

did he ever say it was just epic trance? its edm as a whole. Once someone realizes that there is money to be made in edm, more people will come for the same reason.

if you want an example look @ tiesto. Even Disney has him playing for them. i hear its something like 100 bucks a ticket?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 did he ever say it was just epic trance? its edm as a whole. Once someone realizes that there is money to be made in edm, more people will come for the same reason. if you want an example look @ tiesto. Even Disney has him playing for them. i hear its something like 100 bucks a ticket?

The argument concerns epic trance. The subject is the claim that epic trance is detrimental to the genre. We're focusing on one genre here.

House Music is back imo !!!


The releases are gettin better and better. June 2004 was the begining of a rebirth.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The argument concerns epic trance. The subject is the claim that epic trance is detrimental to the genre. We're focusing on one genre here.

can u not read the topic? You are detrimental to the genre...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J There hasn't been a week since June 2004 that hasn't had a house record in the Top 40. Not to mention recent and upcoming albums from Daft Punk, the Chems, Moby, The Prodigy, Fatboy Slim, Faithless etc. etc. And you're assuming that all these venues are unsuccessful, despite them reporting big attendances and growing popularity.

And guess what, all of those names had their boom at least 6-7 years ago, and all of their recent outings had nowhere near the same impact, popularity nor critical acclaim as their previous works.

And I'm not assuming that all these venues are unsuccesful, but the fact that there are constantly new concepts around means jack shit for EDMs popularity unless they've got success to show for it. I've seen too many new concepts and clubs crash and burn to think that dance music is popular again just yet.

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I've no idea what events Mylo has played since his live act has only been around for a few months, but he's played countless live gigs to date and I would be surprised if he didn't make it onto a few festival line-ups this year.

Come back when Mylo gets worldwide main stage peak hour indie festival gigs like Underworld or Orbital. Which he'll never get the way things are right now.

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Turning back to house, the genre has led to massive financial success for years now, and yet the scene is still changing, innovating and growing, particularly with the current emphasis on guitar and rock elements. By your line of reasoning, house should have stagnated because it's easy to make money from it (which is true). And yet trance continues to drop in popularity despite the "money making" epic trance formula.

Indeed, house has stagnated. Hell almost every genre within EDM has to a degree, but that's another debate. Creative stagnation doesn't necessarily equal drop in popularity however.

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You can't blame the lack of innovation in trance on the use of big breakdowns and super-saws. If anything, I'd blame it on the massive rise in use of software to make music as opposed to hardware.

The only thing software is to blame for is that it makes it easier to churn out formulaic records at a much faster rate. The software a producer uses does not control his/her musical creativity.

fuck that, tiesto killed trance if anything... sold out so much he makes oakey look underground nowadays... end of story/topic/thread.

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Originally posted by dj tek fuck that, tiesto killed trance if anything... sold out so much he makes oakey look underground nowadays... end of story/topic/thread.

what a waste of a good talent

after reading every single page i thouhgt:

"Fuck blaming single artists or djs Trance Killed itself"

ASOT, GDJB is dead, Long Live Trance.



now im off to create a Trance track with electro influences thats 7 minutes long and has a 16 bar minimal breakdown. (Thanks you guys for giving me the ideas )

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 what a waste of a good talent

i hope youre not talking about his djing...

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Originally posted by dj tek i hope youre not talking about his djing...

His Djing has gone downhill since his infamous set @ amnesia 2003

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Originally posted by dj tek i hope youre not talking about his djing...

he is almost as bad as oakenfold

Exactly the same thins is happening to tiesto as what happend to oakey.

i keep hearing stories off badly mixed tracks being played 'till the end then moving the crossfader about tijs.

Trance is dead? It was never really a living concious entity in the first place!!

how the F*** can one person kill it..does it symbolize something or what the hell does that mean..maybe its just an example

how the F*** can one person kill it..does it symbolize something or what the hell does that mean..maybe its just an example

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Originally posted by Blue Balls Now if he argued his case about Ferry killing trance I might see his point. In that comment he was very vague and I couldn't understand his thought pattern.

Actually, Oakenfold killed trance, but since it was a Dutch trance music node, I felt it'd be proper to put a Dutch guy, less I get a million stupid emails from people wanting to "correct" me that Oakenfold is british.....but the name is really not that important. It could've been Tiesto or Armin, it didn't really matter to me, so long as it was someone prominant and Dutch enough to rile trancecrackers. And from the looks of things, it succeeded. There's a reason why I only cited you guys in the credits. I love you all so much.

As for the rest of it.....am I joking? Am I being serious? Or am I being serious about joking? I think that's part of its charm.


(oh, and Zombie0915 is the only person in this thread who got it right)

trance is dead, go fuck yourselves. if you need some anal nitrate i can provide that 4 u...otherwise its not one single dj that ruined the scene...it was the whole changing of the "trance sound" and trying to progress it forward...only problem with that is it backfired major, with major jocks trying to experiment with new sounds..only those new sounds werent progressive, its called cheesey bollox. The evolution of the genre which they thought was desperately needed turned it into a commerical laughing stock, with Tijs being dropped out of helicopters to his gigs....and utter shitty albums meant to sell records toward mainstream noobs. THey pretty much sold out the fans and went after the money, mr. tijs exemplifies this better than any other artist out there, bruva manages to do a pepsi commercial, then rake in with his just be/olympic garbage. Same goes for Fairy C. ... bro tried to be a pop-rock star, only he forgot that hes not a rocker but a fucking dj and producer...someone didnt inform him in time and he created rock your body rock. the whole trio, of AvB, Fairy, and TIjs is the equivalent of the fucking Bush cabinet invading Iraq for oil....only these noobs went after the mainstream audience and cashed in off it. Its not hard to cash off idiot americans who just discovered dance music and think that Markus "i lisp" Schulz and AvB are the hottest and best thing that ever happened to music.

Schulz has the dumbest American accent I've ever heard.

Oh, btw; Trance is for plebs and n... oh, screw it.

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Originally posted by Ory Oh, btw; Trance is for plebs and n... oh, screw it.

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Originally posted by Ory Schulz has the dumbest American accent I've ever heard. Oh, btw; Trance is for plebs and n... oh, screw it.

You're improving. Next time stop right before "Schulz".

Here ya got it fools... 7 pages of continuous annoying discussion over some stupid Ishkur-qoute

Ferry Rules, end of story!

Trance = Music. Just like every other genre.
Ferry Corsten did not kill it, nobody killed it, it's only a stupid opinion from some people who 'evolved'/'matured' into boring progressive beats, weird underground beats and other stuff that's so obscure no living soul would ever hear it except them and with that knowledge they think they're better and more intelligent than trancelisteners. That's how it is, and that's how it always will be.

Now stop bashing eachother and leave this stupid thread alone so that it can perish away and nobody would ever look at it so it can rest with the 104.233.222 other 'Trance is dead', 'Tiesto killed trance', 'Who killed trance' and 'RIP Trance'-threads.

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Originally posted by websley Here ya got it fools... 7 pages of continuous annoying discussion over some stupid Ishkur-qoute Ferry Rules, end of story!

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To name a good trance track from recent years, I'm going to Say Ralphie B - Massive

To say ppl produce trance just to make money is pretty lame too, as anyone knows that to make money from trance is pretty difficult

Now as it stands, I dont really mind who likes what and such, I know what I like across various genres, and I know what kind of epic trance I like, what I DONT like however is when elitist losers whose sad lives force them to belittle other's tastes/views/opinions constantly spam forums with useless 'hahah, you like xyz so you suck' type posts.

Yes Ory, I am looking at you, feel whatever you want about epic trance, but you dont need to constantly post agressive posts like:

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You people are funny. Especially the defensive trance whores. Thanks. Dumbasses

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That seems to be this forum's motto: Epic trance = All trance ever produced Hah. Morons.

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Schulz has the dumbest American accent I've ever heard. Oh, btw; Trance is for plebs and n... oh, screw it.

ad nauseum

You seem to think that because you listen to progressive and techno, this somehow makes you more enlightened than someone who enjoys epic trance, that only people with small mental capabilities would appreciate trance and probably wouldn't be able to fully embrace the wonders of prog and techno.

In reality, it's comes across more like the rants of someone possibly lacking both confidence and social maturity, and as such derives the only pleasure they can by slating other people from behind their computer screen.

Good day

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