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Originally posted by DaveBegic would you both just shut the fuck up? we're all pink on the inside so get the fuck over it.

oooh! dave's euro-blood is boiling!

theyre not really talking about race so much as they are talking about culture. as a multicultural society i think (sensible) discussions on culture are a must.

respect madis.

the only thing i would mention is that the islamic community should be extra vigilant for those bad apples that you and i have mentioned. not becoz they should be more responsible than any other australian, but moreso coz its in their best interests & they are more likely to experience those that do preach hatred & intolerance.

paulie, i can understand your perspective based on your experience. but you gotta get your head around the idea that the world is bigger than you, and your *limited* experience of these things should not be taken as ample evidence to promote the generalisations that you do. especially since one if much more likely to take note & remember a situation with negative consequences than neutral or positive.

does anyone think these so called terror attacks on australia have come at a good time to hurry along the "new terrorism bill"

i smell a conspiracy

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Originally posted by narcism does anyone think these so called terror attacks on australia have come at a good time to hurry along the "new terrorism bill" i smell a conspiracy

i love a good conspiracy
why wouldnt you just take them down rather than let them know that your onto them and give them the chance to change their plans

when u think about it, he could say that osama himself was in the country and no1 would know if he was bullshitting or not

hence there is no conspiracy, merely a monkey playing with his anus

yeah way I see it is the government has to do whatever necessary to bring in the new laws, as one unlucky chap dying by accident can work for the better good of potentially saving 100 others on another occasion. Harsh I know but then again what else in life isn't :P

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Originally posted by AurallyDrifting yeah way I see it is the government has to do whatever necessary to bring in the new laws, as one unlucky chap dying by accident can work for the better good of potentially saving 100 others on another occasion. Harsh I know but then again what else in life isn't :P

you wanna go to jail for a week without knowing why cause your brother meets up with his mate who knows someone that could be dodgy?

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-a...lninenews&t=s29

We got some real heroes on our hands, 5 on 1!!!!

That's fully hectik, bro.

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Originally posted by Paulie http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-a...lninenews&t=s29 We got some real heroes on our hands, 5 on 1!!!!

that shit makes me furious... those fukn dickheads.. the media are there to do their job, and yes they get in your face, but fark you deal with it.. none of those people who beat the shit out of the journalist have done anything wrong (supposedly). seeing this kinda shit makes me think that maybe the terrorist laws that howard wanted to introduce are a good idea.. "throw the cvnts in jail without asking any questions..." but once i cool down about the situation i realise that these people too deserve a fair trial...

its all pretty scarey shit really...

yeah that's pretty dodgy

anyone seen the John Safran clip where he is outside Ray Martins place doing "A Current Affair" style journalism and Ray comes out and trys to fight him?

I have found all of the recent news footage to be really unsettling but totally addictive.

Last night the women in the houses being raided complained of racist treatment because the police would not allow them to put their headscarves.

I am unsure how to feel about those comments. Is it usual for police to allow time for the appropriate attire to be put on?

Crazy times people...glad I moved out of Lukemba

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Originally posted by charlee I have found all of the recent news footage to be really unsettling but totally addictive. Last night the women in the houses being raided complained of racist treatment because the police would not allow them to put their headscarves. I am unsure how to feel about those comments. Is it usual for police to allow time for the appropriate attire to be put on? Crazy times people...glad I moved out of Lukemba

I think for them it would be akin to our being asked to stand around in our underwear. I don't think the police would worry too much about respecting anyone they were raiding, so it probably wouldn't be specifically racsist . Just pretty unpleasant.Particularly if you hadn't done anything wrong.

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Originally posted by charlee Last night the women in the houses being raided complained of racist treatment because the police would not allow them to put their headscarves. I am unsure how to feel about those comments. Is it usual for police to allow time for the appropriate attire to be put on?

its a tricky one. im all for religious tolerance, i really am. however there arent any laws protecting someone's right to always wear a veil. friends of mine that have been raided have used the opportunity to dress as a cover to conceal what the police may have been looking for.

at the end of the day australia does not enshrine in law the right OR responsiblity for anyone to adhere to such ridiculously antiquated cultural ideas, and if an officer of the law is carrying out their sworn and legal duty, i would argue that this duty comes before any PERSONAL belief system not protected by law.

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Originally posted by DIDI I think for them it would be akin to our being asked to stand around in our underwear. I don't think the police would worry too much about respecting anyone they were raiding, so it probably wouldn't be specifically racsist . Just pretty unpleasant.Particularly if you hadn't done anything wrong.

the thing is, if they're being raided at this point in time, and due to the severity of the charges the police wouldnt raid unless they had very very very good reason to do so. Even the bad publicity caused due to an incorrectly raided house would not be good.. if your asleep and busted in on, your not allowed to do shit.. you can put your pants on, but when you're in australia, and you're arrested you follow our rules and customs.... simple as that. if the ladies werent wearing pants, then yes they can put them on, but headpieces are a luxury

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Originally posted by 00soups00 the thing is, if they're being raided at this point in time, and due to the severity of the charges the police wouldnt raid unless they had very very very good reason to do so. Even the bad publicity caused due to an incorrectly raided house would not be good.. if your asleep and busted in on, your not allowed to do shit.. you can put your pants on, but when you're in australia, and you're arrested you follow our rules and customs.... simple as that. if the ladies werent wearing pants, then yes they can put them on, but headpieces are a luxury

I think that a muslim would strongly disagree with you about headscarves being a luxury. Although I do agree that a raid is a raid and there is no time for allowances.

God this is going to raise so many arguments and debates about a religion that does not encourage this behaviour.

I am going to join the pirates. I think it's safer in the water

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Originally posted by 00soups00 the thing is, if they're being raided at this point in time, and due to the severity of the charges the police wouldnt raid unless they had very very very good reason to do so. Even the bad publicity caused due to an incorrectly raided house would not be good.. if your asleep and busted in on, your not allowed to do shit.. you can put your pants on, but when you're in australia, and you're arrested you follow our rules and customs.... simple as that. if the ladies werent wearing pants, then yes they can put them on, but headpieces are a luxury

I think that's what I said, just in a gentler, non racially specific way.

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