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Originally posted by religiontrance That is exaclty one of the major reasons the tickets are so 'high' Too many people want to get in. Not enough room for everybody. The lines go around the block. Cannot dance. I wish the club was half-empty. WISH! People need to stop complainging about what other people do or willing to do. Just because you cant do something do not blame it to someone else. And among the other things people have in their lifes maybe they should not go clubbing every weekend and get a job. I do not go clubbing every weekend not beacuse I do to want to but because I have other things to do as well. $60 IS NOT A LOT. If you want to pay less do not go for the big-named djs!!!! You can buy a pair of jeans from gap for $30 and you can buy a pair of jeans at diesel for $200. It's your choice and your fault whatever decision you make. Just stop complaining.

If you think that's the way it should be, I really wish you'd start a club so you could quickly realize how wrong your business sense is. I'd like to know where the lines are halfway around the block, but if you're talking about Crobar, Spirit, Pacha, etc, there aren't that many nights when the line is really long. I've been there when DJs who should draw big crowds, like Ferry Corsten, are playing to a half packed venue and the vibe is usually lacking in energy. I'm not saying I like being packed in like a sardine, but there has to be a good number of people in order for the party to not suck

I'd also like to point out that the people you'd like to keep out because they can't afford it are the people who make the vibe at clubs. If you think that $300 bottle buyers are making it a fun environment, there's a lot of other clubs out there to cater strictly to your crowd. I've been to them. In my opinion, they suck, as the people aren't there for the music, they're there for the prestige and to be scene blowing money, because they can.

BTW, you're the one complaining here. The whole origin of this argument is on your hands because you couldn't understand the original post that you bitchily responded to. 95% of the people on this board don't feel that a cover charge should be $50-60. If you do, go somewhere a little more elite where you and your fellow snobs can rub noses and bitch about clubs crowded with peons. As much as people bitch about Crobar, etc, at least they realize attempt to bring in a economically diverse crowd so that the business side of things is running well, but there's also the fun, younger element to give the crowd life.

to be fair, non-edm concerts arent exactly cheap either (aside from indie rock or up and coming bands)...ppl pay well over 70-80 bucks to see big names like springsteen, billy joel, and well over 100-200 bucks to get good seats for madonna, U2, depeche mode and the rolling stones, and they dont really offer great advance tix prices or even free admission if you get there before a certain time...IMO its the whole corporate money making structure (clear channel for instance)that has capitalized on the concert scene and kept elevating costs...

also, i can see how a huge drop in attendance might force promoters to lower prices, but its pretty unlikely that'll happen cause as ppl have said, there are fans out there that wont think twice about shelling out the exorbitant prices..

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Originally posted by bogartgreens to be fair, non-edm concerts arent exactly cheap either (aside from indie rock or up and coming bands)...ppl pay well over 70-80 bucks to see big names like springsteen, billy joel, and well over 100-200 bucks to get good seats for madonna, U2, depeche mode and the rolling stones, and they dont really offer great advance tix prices or even free admission if you get there before a certain time...IMO its the whole corporate money making structure (clear channel for instance)that has capitalized on the concert scene and kept elevating costs... also, i can see how a huge drop in attendance might force promoters to lower prices, but its pretty unlikely that'll happen cause as ppl have said, there are fans out there that wont think twice about shelling out the exorbitant prices..

You realize that everyone you just listed is an industry legend, who have spent 20-40 years generating a fan base, evolving with the music, etc. They're not Armin van Buuren who just got his DJ celebrity status in the past 5-10 years, depending on when you want to say he achieved that status.

Most concerts of established non-legendary stars are available for $30-50, and that profit's split between multiple band members, not just 1 DJ. I mean, I just saw Prodigy for $35 (+ another $10 to those thieves at Ticketmaster) and they are more legendary and influential to the EDM scene than AvB.

My comments were targeting whoever posted that Armin sucks and trance is dead. This conversation seems to be going much further than that.

And I would have to agree with bogartgreens. The tickets that are so expensive are indeed for Industry legends like Tiesto, PvD and Armin.
Every industry has it's legends. If you had the experience to see these gus spinning it events like Sensation, Innercity, TIC you would soon realize that they are comparable to other genres stars and that the money invloved in these events are astronomical. I am talking about 20-40 thousand people events.

I dont think madonna or u2 would perform at an event where the venue capacity is no more than a few hundred people for $35 a head.

And because I still do not get the point of other peoples arguments
here is my argument.

Sander Kleinenberg $20
Junkie XL $20
Boris @ Crobar NYC $20
Gabriel and Dresden $20
Above and Beyond $20
James Holder $15
Eric Morillo $30

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Originally posted by religiontrance If you had the experience to see these gus spinning it events like Sensation, Innercity, TIC you would soon realize that they are comparable to other genres stars and that the money invloved in these events are astronomical. I am talking about 20-40 thousand people events.

The only reason that many people attend those events is because of the low supply. If they did events like that more than a few times a year, they couldn't sell 1/4 of those tix. Concerts like Madonna and those already mentioned sell that many tickets city to city.

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Originally posted by bogartgreens to be fair, non-edm concerts arent exactly cheap either (aside from indie rock or up and coming bands)...ppl pay well over 70-80 bucks to see big names like springsteen, billy joel, and well over 100-200 bucks to get good seats for madonna, U2, depeche mode and the rolling stones, and they dont really offer great advance tix prices or even free admission if you get there before a certain time...IMO its the whole corporate money making structure (clear channel for instance)that has capitalized on the concert scene and kept elevating costs... also, i can see how a huge drop in attendance might force promoters to lower prices, but its pretty unlikely that'll happen cause as ppl have said, there are fans out there that wont think twice about shelling out the exorbitant prices..

they also maybe come round to a given city once a year, every two years. obviously they can charge that much because of how rarely they might tour or hit a city.

djs come to ny several times a year soooo i don't have to/want to feel inclined to pay so much to see a dj when they come through.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You realize that everyone you just listed is an industry legend, who have spent 20-40 years generating a fan base, evolving with the music, etc. They're not Armin van Buuren who just got his DJ celebrity status in the past 5-10 years, depending on when you want to say he achieved that status. Most concerts of established non-legendary stars are available for $30-50, and that profit's split between multiple band members, not just 1 DJ. I mean, I just saw Prodigy for $35 (+ another $10 to those thieves at Ticketmaster) and they are more legendary and influential to the EDM scene than AvB.

ur completely right about the artists i named, and that profits for smaller acts are split btwn band members but ive heard of ppl paying as far up as 400 bucks to see some of these guys in a stadium sized atmosphere where they wouldnt even be very close to the stage...which is absolutely nuts imo...i guess cause i prefer smaller intimate atmospheres where u can get close the artist and they actually interact with the crowd more than just blurtin out ur city's name to get a cheer

and i suppose one "might" call tiesto, pvd and avb as being industry legends as religiontrance claims (which is very arguable)...but im pretty sure these dudes rely on other profits other than tix sales so i suppose it goes back to the fact that big events like Armin Only and TIC require such huge operating costs that they have to charge up the ass...maybe a boycott to those type of one-man diva-type events will open some of the organizers eyes

oh, and aside from the legendary, respected performers...there are loads of kids who shell out just as much money as we do to watch a bunch of garbage hip hop acts that are dubbed as being the new voice of hip-hop (for about 10 minutes)

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Originally posted by religiontrance To all of you cry babies: I am that kind of an idiot that makes 2.5K a week and I really do not give a shit if it is 30, 50 100, or 500. All I care about is that I get to listen to the music I like. I am the kind of an idiot that paid 3000 x 2 to go to holland to see TIC and Armin Only. I am pretty sure there are plenty of idiots like me. From my point of view that's a good thing cause people like you dont get to come to the party

i had that same mentality once, until i found out how retarded i sounded cuz i was basically suckling on the DJs nutz, then i realized that the music scene/evolution will progress faster than i'm able to keep up and "attend shows". now that i think about it, the word "attend" a show/act makes it sound like its some official party that everyone must be at in order to hear the DJ drop the latest release of the latest track. IMHO that's suckling on dj's nuts. I go out to hear music, I appreciate DJs spinning it, but in no way shape or form would i sacrifice my budget to hear a DJ spin.

and FYI - Back when Twilo was thumping, you wouldn't have paid more than $45 but that accounted for 7-12hours of Sasha and Digweed. PVD Residency I paid at max $25.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy The only reason that many people attend those events is because of the low supply. If they did events like that more than a few times a year, they couldn't sell 1/4 of those tix. Concerts like Madonna and those already mentioned sell that many tickets city to city.

Trance is more of an underground genre. It is not commercial music that every little girl listens to. Especially in the states not too many people listen to trance.

Tiesto is in Madame Tussauds in Amsterdam. That is how big he is there. I know very few people that ever head of him here in the us.

[url]http://www.madametussauds.nl/english/experience_tiesto.asp[url]

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Originally posted by religiontrance Trance is more of an underground genre. It is not commercial music that every little girl listens to. Especially in the states not too many people listen to trance. Tiesto is in Madame Tussauds in Amsterdam. That is how big he is there. I know very few people that ever head of him here in the us. [url]http://www.madametussauds.nl/english/experience_tiesto.asp[url]

Wow, you hit the fucking nail on the head with that comment. Now, go back and read everything you've written. Do you see the same problem that I, and everyone else, see??

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Wow, you hit the fucking nail on the head with that comment. Now, go back and read everything you've written. Do you see the same problem that I, and everyone else, see??

i'm perplexed as well

cliff notes?

v i e w

a good trancedm gig isimply invaluable
now imagine all the city lights that night





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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Wow, you hit the fucking nail on the head with that comment. Now, go back and read everything you've written. Do you see the same problem that I, and everyone else, see??

Sorry buddy. I am visually challenged.

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Originally posted by religiontrance Sorry buddy. I am visually challenged.

+1



What a dumb comeback. oh well. Guess that's that.

This thread has gone to shit, well not yet, unless house eyes posts pics of herself

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Originally posted by mdamon7278 This thread has gone to shit, well not yet, unless house eyes posts pics of herself

I could start up another debate if I really wanted to.

ok im paying a lot of money to come to NY and i'm combining my trip with seeing armin... but I've never been to NY so it's more about finally seeing NY than armin. actually, i like combining trips with seeing DJs its 2 excuses in one... but as i stated, if armin sucks the first night, the second night will be a no go.

Then I can just see more of the city

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Originally posted by ambs ok im paying a lot of money to come to NY and i'm combining my trip with seeing armin... but I've never been to NY so it's more about finally seeing NY than armin. actually, i like combining trips with seeing DJs its 2 excuses in one... but as i stated, if armin sucks the first night, the second night will be a no go. Then I can just see more of the city

thats the best excuse to go visit a place...i did the same thing when I went to SF for the Love Parade last fall, it was JUST an excuse to explore NorCAL And also when I went down for Ferry last June at Space in Miami

Hope you have good friends to take you around the city. Ive been helping friends out with that in the past two weeks and its been really FUN.

need to boost post count? word

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Originally posted by trunks1022 need to boost post count? word

Maybe this will explain the insane ticket prices people think it is okay to sell...

Pop star Madonna is having a massive "disco-fied" crucifix made as one of the centerpieces for her upcoming tour. The singer has raised eyebrows before with her controversial use of religious images and now she'll shock again with the flashing cross. A source claims Madonna will descend to the stage on the glittering disco-ball crucifix, covered with diamonds and Swarovski crystals. The ball is rumored to cost $10 million, and is being constructed at a well-guarded airplane hangar in Los Angeles for her Confession On A Dance Floor tour. According to the source, "It'll create a blinding light, like she's landing on the spaceship from E.T."

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Originally posted by phoenixBEBE thats the best excuse to go visit a place...i did the same thing when I went to SF for the Love Parade last fall, it was JUST an excuse to explore NorCAL And also when I went down for Ferry last June at Space in Miami Hope you have good friends to take you around the city. Ive been helping friends out with that in the past two weeks and its been really FUN.

Could u say that one more time, I didnt hear it

lol very funny.

whatever ahaha

as long as im not making stupid comments and adding to them. i dont have the time to do that.

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