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Originally posted by The Highroller In my opinion, although the intentions were good, this topic is completely inappropriate. Several people were indirectly mentioned in the original post when they haven't been approached by you. If you think someone has a problem pertaining to their drug use, you should be approaching them directly. This is not a public issue and should not be made one. ps. I don't see ecstasy being mentioned in the list of horrible drugs that people do.

Yeah, why is it that e usage is basically ignored in our "community. We consider everything else bad, but e is just there and we all accept it. It is still a drug and people abuse it like every other drug, and amoung us, i think its abused the most. Just because majority of the people writing in this thread partake in it doesn't mean it can escape the criticism all the other drugs are getting. When you find yourself upping the dosage b/c you have a tolerance to it, guess what - you have a problem.

Furthermore, in agreeance with Graham, whether it was intended or not, there are a lot of personal references in this thread. If they are/were pertaining to me, I'd be mighty pissed. Tota isn't a&e intervention. If they are actually your friends, pick up a phone. Don't type it out on TA.

I can't sit here and say that I haven't gone overboard on the drugs....it's happened in the partying career. I also can't say I don't indulge in party favours every now and then....but in all honesty, the past few times that I've taken E my dancing abilities have decreased and I tend to just feel mellowed out. Alot of people might say it's the pill, but my friends have been on the same pill and dancing the night away.

Personally I have more fun partying sober, and to all you people that think you can't party sober.....try it at least once. I know that if you all truely love the music as much as you say you do you'll be able to do it. Dancing to the music and feeling it without chemical enhancements is such an incredible experience

I agree with spitty though....call your friends and talk to them about it

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Originally posted by The Highroller ps. I don't see ecstasy being mentioned in the list of horrible drugs that people do.

Very good point made Graham. If anything E can be one of the worst. As well as you "know" your dealer or "trust" the people you're getting the pills from. Do you REALLY know what's in them?

in nat's defense..... it seemed she was worried of those who were taking multiple drugs at a time 'aka cocktails', and over doing it in the process. she never mentioned E as 'a harmless' drug....

and the only reference she made to other people was the 'tony island' shit, and whats wrong with that? seemed like every TA and their dog were talking shit about that, and now that the code has been broken, it's bad to bring it up?

i dont get it

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Originally posted by DigDeep in nat's defense..... it seemed she was worried of those who were taking multiple drugs at a time 'aka cocktails', and over doing it in the process. she never mentioned E as 'a harmless' drug.... and the only reference she made to other people was the 'tony island' shit, and whats wrong with that? seemed like every TA and their dog were talking shit about that, and now that the code has been broken, it's bad to bring it up? i dont get it

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i was not part of the 'tony island' experience, therefore i retract the above statement.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore in nat's defense..... it seemed she was worried of those who were taking multiple drugs at a time 'aka cocktails', and over doing it in the process. she never mentioned E as 'a harmless' drug.... and the only reference she made to other people was the 'tony island' shit, and whats wrong with that? seemed like every TA and their dog were talking shit about that, and now that the code has been broken, it's bad to bring it up? i dont get it

there have been more posts then nats, some of which have made personal "jabs" at people, well-intended or not. i just don't see how all these well-intended people think that bringing it up on here is a good thing. maybe not everyone knows whose been talked about, but a lot of us have a general idea of whose friends with who

if this is or was about me, i wouldn't want to read about your concerns on a public forum. you know my number. call me. otherwise you are not my friend, and you can go politely fuck yourself

just my two cents, offensive as always

Good post Nat. Of the TAs that I've met there is not one of them who in my opinion isn't a good person and if I thought any of them had a drug problem that I saw was interfering with their everyday lives I would have to say something to them just like I hope they would say something to me. I wouldn't want to loose any of you due to drugs or anything else. We all have to remember that if someone has a problem they probably don't realize it. It may be hard to say something and you may loose a friend but I would rather loose a friend and save a life then loose a friend and loose a life.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Everybody is there to dance? At the zone? Is that what you just said?

Um I do. I think this past weekend, the best party was at Zone on friday. OMG, Nathan f-ing killed it. not one bad set even El Duran!! WOW. I was there the whole day sober and i couldnt leave even tho i was dead tired form decadence. I couldn't stop dancing. just too badass!

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Originally posted by spitty maybe not everyone knows whose been talked about, but a lot of us have a general idea of whose friends with who

Exactly. Not only that, fingers were indirectly pointed at people regarding the issue with G.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore and the only reference she made to other people was the 'tony island' shit, and whats wrong with that? seemed like every TA and their dog were talking shit about that, and now that the code has been broken, it's bad to bring it up?

I just wanted to point out for those of you that don't know however...everybody who talks about Tony island or makes jokes, comments...whatever about it, does not necessarily partake in using "Tony". It has just become an ongoing joke amongst people (I will admit to being one of those guilty people). And maybe these jokes should not be made anymore because it can produce a bad image of people that may not necessarily be true. Not to mention as people have said before, drugs are not something we should joke about.

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Originally posted by Plump Funk some people dont realize how fun it is just to gather a few of their friends and party sober.

+1

P.S. That means ALCOHOL, too, Ziad!

When I party, I always party 100% completely sober. Every time. No booze, no drugs, no red bull, no nothing. What I generally do is, the night before a party, I stay up half the night and sleep in a ton. I eat a huge amount of food before I go out, and usually I can make it until 8:00 the next morning or later. It's harder for Friday parties... the nap in the evening is pretty much all I can do.

But yeah... I think partying sober is great. I can dance so much longer and harder than people who are drunk. I'm still surprised by the number of really sketchy people there are out there on TA. Really, I think our crowd is way too accepting of behaviour that's just not cool.

I know there are lots of great people on TA that like to enjoy themselves, but seriously, when I see people fucked outta their minds on E or coke or some other substance of the moment, I seriously just lose a ton of respect for them, right there. I know some of you will tell me it's their decision, they can do what they want, they know what they're doing, etc, etc, but honestly, our crowd is way too accepting of this. It takes a lot to earn that respect back. Some of the things that many of you consider to be the norm would be considered crazy by 80%+ of the general human population.

I just don't see a need for this kind of behaviour. There are no long-term benefits at all. If I go to a party and dance my ass off sober, then I have a good time, meet people, and get a good workout. But it doesn't take much to negate all of those benefits.

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Originally posted by The Highroller In my opinion, although the intentions were good, this topic is completely inappropriate. Several people were indirectly mentioned in the original post when they haven't been approached by you. If you think someone has a problem pertaining to their drug use, you should be approaching them directly. This is not a public issue and should not be made one. ps. I don't see ecstasy being mentioned in the list of horrible drugs that people do.

+1

hence i will not participate in this discussion...too personal of a topic to make it so public (and believe me there are many personal topics going on behind scene, do we make them all public??? because I can really start opening my mouth! i am very disappointed with the birth of this thread not for Nat's concern.

Great post Nat and everyone else who posted in a mature and educated manner. I found it really nice to come home and read a thought provoking thread that wasnt filled with ridiculous bitching.

We should all be glad to have great friends who care about us and our well being. I dont think this taboo subject is discussed nearly or seriously enough on this board. I strongly believe that regardless of wether or not you believe you have a problem, knowing that people are worried about you helps alot of people realize that they are in trouble.

Talking about this is the first step.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore in nat's defense..... it seemed she was worried of those who were taking multiple drugs at a time 'aka cocktails', and over doing it in the process. she never mentioned E as 'a harmless' drug....

e in itself is a cocktail...

one in which the majority of the pills have heroin in them...

there's some food for thought.

I think the moral behind all of this is...if your gonna use'm don't abuse'm. Whatever your poison is, don't swing for the fences everytime you go out and just be aware of what your friends are doing around you and watch each others back. Let's face it, it's not the most 'normal' scene out there, and none of us are angels, if you can't depend on your friends or yourself to be careful, then maybe you should just stay home or stick with red bull.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot But yeah... I think partying sober is great. I can dance so much longer and harder than people who are drunk. I'm still surprised by the number of really sketchy people there are out there on TA. Really, I think our crowd is way too accepting of behaviour that's just not cool. I know there are lots of great people on TA that like to enjoy themselves, but seriously, when I see people fucked outta their minds on E or coke or some other substance of the moment, I seriously just lose a ton of respect for them, right there. I know some of you will tell me it's their decision, they can do what they want, they know what they're doing, etc, etc, but honestly, our crowd is way too accepting of this. It takes a lot to earn that respect back. Some of the things that many of you consider to be the norm would be considered crazy by 80%+ of the general human population.

So you would base your judgement on a person on 1 negative quality that they have? What if 20 years down the line, your kids were to pick up the habit - Would you tell them to fuck of?

People who get fucked up on drugs are a little more complicated than just being at parties for the sake of being high. Those who abuse drugs could be using them as an excuse to escape their personal problems such as broken families/relationships , monetary issues, academic problems etc and while the root cause for reaching this stage could be attributed to being emotionally weak, that doesn't mean that society should wash their hands of them. Some of the nicest and most genuine people i have met in college have had issues with substances and in all of them i have seen that it has been personal problems that drove them to that stage. The only problem is that finding the solution is really hard because it differs from person to person.

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Good thread..... Very good!.. i was waiting for someone to do this... i was just gonna talk to a few of my friends who are starting to fall into this bullshit..

I have no issues with anyone on TA but I'm undecided as to the validity of some of the posts thusfar - actions speak louder than words, if you will. Not to mention the hypocrisy in here is seriously blowing my mind.

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Originally posted by Floorwhore in nat's defense..... it seemed she was worried of those who were taking multiple drugs at a time 'aka cocktails', and over doing it in the process. she never mentioned E as 'a harmless' drug.... and the only reference she made to other people was the 'tony island' shit, and whats wrong with that? seemed like every TA and their dog were talking shit about that, and now that the code has been broken, it's bad to bring it up? i dont get it

The first sentence was spot on, she implied all drug use that was set up in people using it to extremes. As for this not being a public issue it IS one if we all party together and issues of drug use affect the scene and people's lives (in serious and negative ways, look at Cale's post). Maybe the only way someone can be shown the error of their ways in abusing drugs or anything for that matter(instead of being a moderate user) is by blantantly shoving the idea in their face. It was mentioned earlier in this thread how people who abuse stuff like drugs tend to NOT NOTICE what they are doing to themselves or their friends even, so I see as what Nat posted as a public service to this this board, the people we party with and the entire community at large. She did not specifiy names, she did not pick on certain people about this, she just expressed concern, and from what I can see did it in a way that was ok. Amazing thread Nat, and I agree with Jeff, sticky this bitch.

may 6th - Ultra Spin 10 at the guv
may 13th - C&C at Sonic.

these are two big events coming up really soon!
and It's time to start ACTING!
So how about saying NO to drugs on these two nights. See how much fun we can have being 100% sober. Trust me, with good friends and MUSIC it's not that hard to last till the morning!

Lets just try it, and lets help our friends!
I know, sometimes it's not easy to say NO when everyone around you is doing "this". That's why we should ACT together.

I'm thinking about ordering a bunch of custom-made t-shirts with anti-drugs slogans for all the TA's!

Fuck drugs

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Originally posted by Irishaddict Not to mention the hypocrisy in here is seriously blowing my mind.

yea, i've literally laughed out loud at some of the peoples posts...and some of the people posting. i mean..DO YOU NOT SEE WHO YOU ARE???????

heres a hint

I betcha think this song is about you
I betcha think this song is about you
I betcha think this song is about you
I betcha think this song is about you
Don't you
Don't you
Don't you
Don't you

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Originally posted by Irishaddict I have no issues with anyone on TA but I'm undecided as to the validity of some of the posts thusfar - actions speak louder than words, if you will. Not to mention the hypocrisy in here is seriously blowing my mind.

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Originally posted by spitty yea, i've literally laughed out loud at some of the peoples posts...and some of the people posting. i mean..DO YOU NOT SEE WHO YOU ARE???????

I totally hear ya about the hypocrisy issue and i myself dont have a problem with anyone on TA either.. but there are a few of my friends that used to come out and party and be totally sober and ENJOY themselves.. and now i see that they go just to get totally mangled and i see theyre not having half the fun they used to back in the day... it kinda hurts me to see people like that. and i know too many of them to list. i just hope people smarten up and realize that its time to get serious about life like i have..and trust me at one point i went though that too..

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Originally posted by Sasha Fuck drugs

no wai!

So how come you act high all the time?

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