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Originally posted by RapidFire the same cant be said about armin and tijs' stuff. they spin pop.

Dude; they don't spin pop at all... Well armin plays more pop than tijs; but maybe only 5% of a set is pop. Of course Sasha plays more 'underground' stuff; but don't use such a ridiculous statements as "they only spin pop".

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Originally posted by Push2005 Dude; they don't spin pop at all... Well armin plays more pop than tijs; but maybe only 5% of a set is pop. Of course Sasha plays more 'underground' stuff; but don't use such a ridiculous statements as "they only spin pop".

yeah i agree. I have no idea what most of the songs are on their sets. The way some of these guys talk, its like they spin nothing but Lasgo - Alone and Eric Prydz - Call on me

none of my friends even know who Armin and Tiesto are. Maybe in the Edm world they are "pop", but still, I agree with the 5%

"pop" as in by the numbers trance. stuff like Shivers. take away the 4/4 and its no different than the last britney spears single.

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Originally posted by RapidFire "pop" as in by the numbers trance. stuff like Shivers. take away the 4/4 and its no different than the last britney spears single.

I like Shivers and some of Britney's songs. Deal with it.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt I like Shivers and some of Britney's songs. Deal with it.

good for you. that doesent make it good music.

He seemed to deal with it fine, he said it was pop but he never said pop was bad.

ok nevermind he just said "it isn't good music" right as I was typing this friggin post, argh.

You gotta think of these things in relative terms, sure armin isn't on clearchanel, but that sound he has is so dominant that it is easily considered as the pop of EDM. I have no problem admitting that I enjoy some of the tunes because they make a good subsititue for top40 pop music, it really isnt that big of a deal to like some pop. I mean it shouldn't be such an insult to desire to be part of a crowd, crowds of people enjoying each other's company in the presence of popular music is fun. So enjoy pop music all you want in spite of the people who bitch about it!

When people say that it is pop, you aren't supposed to feel insulted, you're supposed to say "so what?"

I for one fell in love with the snare rolls and trance structure in 2000/2001, even though most people found it stale by 1999, it was pop, melodies, supersaws, anthems, formulas, but it didnt matter because I could turn on digitally imported all day and just take my mind to another world, fuck what other people think about it.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Seriously this electro hype he is pushing is horrible

2005?

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 he seemed to deal with it fine, he said it was pop but he never said pop was bad. ok nevermind he just said "it isnt good music" right as I was typing this friggin post. You gotta think of these things in relative terms, sure armin isn't on clearchanel, but that sound he has is so dominant that it is easily considered as the pop of EDM. I have no problem admitting that I enjoy some of the tunes because they make a good subsititue for clearchannel pop music, it really isnt that big of a deal to like some pop. When people say that it is pop, you aren't supposed to feel insulted, your supposed to say "so what?"

theres nothing wrong with clean, catchy pop. but when its insluting your intelligence and trying to come off as a serious song or trying to be more than what it is...its shit. Shiver is just that.

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Originally posted by RapidFire good for you. that doesent make it good music.

here we go.....

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Originally posted by RapidFire theres nothing wrong with clean, catchy pop. but when its insluting your intelligence and trying to come off as a serious song or trying to be more than what it is...its shit. Shiver is just that.

so what?

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Originally posted by RapidFire theres nothing wrong with clean, catchy pop. but when its insluting your intelligence and trying to come off as a serious song or trying to be more than what it is...its shit. Shiver is just that.

which one are you in the pic

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Originally posted by Neo95gt here we go.....

you just admitted to liking britney spears and shivers. did you really expect me to say "bravo sir you have exceptional taste!"

and nice one..throwing in the ol . really helps your argument.

Of course you can call tracks like Shivers, Love Comes Again, Burned With Desire, Without You Near, Dogzilla - Without You ... pop. And I totally agree on that.
And yes; Armin (and in lesser extend Ti�sto) plays these tunes...

But that doesn't make their whole set pop-like. LIke I said; its only a very marginal minority of the set; and they're just crowd-pleasers. So none of these dj's "only spins pop". Face it

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Originally posted by trancedanne so what?

there you go, how easy was that?

as far as shivers is concerned (to tell you the truth I have never heard the tune before) you(of all people, the guy with a pic of a jesus pose in his sig) have no way of knowing if it is "trying to come off as a serious song" or "trying to be more than what it is". Armin is a humble guy who has admitted several times that he makes poppy music, the people who present the tune as anythingelse aren't the creator, so it is quite unfair to say that armin's tunes are trying to be something that they arent.

I find that he quite bluntly admits the people he tries to apeal to with his music and in no way tries to pawn it off as something more serious than it really is.

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Originally posted by trancedanne so what?

nothing. Im just saying its shit...and its dominating the market. if youre content with that then by all means indulge yourself. just dont get upset when people comment on how shit it is.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 there you go, how easy was that? as far as shivers is concerned (to tell you the truth I have bever heard the tune before) You have no way of knowing if it is "trying to come off as a serious song" or "trying to be more than what it is". Armin is a humble guy who has admitted several times that he makes poppy music, the people who present the tune as anythingelse aren't the creator, so it is quite unfair to say that armin's tunes are trying to be something that they arent. I find that he quite bluntly admits the people he tries to apeal to with his music and in no way tries to pawn it off as something more serious than it really is.

usually when something is trying hard to come off as something ist not you can tell. Shivers is trying its nuts off to be an anthem and it fails miserably.

That is a fundamental disagreement we can never solve, I beleive that sound carries no inherent meanings and gives no clues for intentions, that all interpretations of sound arise from the context that the sound is used in. Your interperetation is cultural, and depends on your perspective, there is nothing in a tune that ever indicates what it is trying to be(except words). That is my way of viewing music.

Music can't insult your intelligence, it can only shake air. You can't expect cultural interperetations of a sound to be universal over a style of music which is enjoyed by different people from all over the planet.

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Originally posted by RapidFire you just admitted to liking britney spears and shivers. did you really expect me to say "bravo sir you have exceptional taste!" and nice one..throwing in the ol . really helps your argument.

you're a moron. no wait, you're a genius. you've found out what "good" music is to everyone :bowdown:

thats ridiculous. music can be over-dramatic and trying way too hard to accomplish something. its music with no sense of subtlety. then theres music on the other side of the spectrum. music thats trying too hard to be subtle. so much so that it comes off as pompous and boring.

how can you tell the difference? I guess you need experience in listening to music and a mature ear for what is quality and what is disposable pap made in 15 mintues time.

So go to someone who has never heard western music before, play 2 different tunes and ask them which one is more dramatic. Or better yet, get somebody to take pieces of music from a culture completely alien to you and have them ask you the same thing.

"experience in listening to music and a mature ear for what is quality" implies a shared culture which doesn't exist across the world's diverse population. You can't insult people just because they aren't part of your culture and don't see things the same way you do.

No one culture is better than another. If you share one with a certain group of people it is no valid reason to belittle the tastes of people who share a different one.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 "experience in listening to music and a mature ear for what is quality" implies a shared culture which doesn't exist across the world's diverse population. You can't insult people just because they aren't part of your culture and don't see things the same way you do.

thats because the masses dont care enough to seek out and appreciate quality music. they dont have time for it. most of todays mainstream music is about as disposable as junk food and just as easy to make.

but its not like dance music is supposed to be amazingly composed or mature as..say.. classical. but at least it can have some redeeming qualities and do what its supposed to do. move people. and not under false pretences.

and I didnt insult anyone. I insulted the music itself.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt I guess I just dont take this shit as seriously as you do. I just listen to it at the gym and rock out to it at the clubs and I love it all. o well

I am telling you guys like them are just a bunch of looser fuctards, for them if I listen to Armin; than I am a fanboy. A fanboy who only listens to Armin, Tiesto, Sasha etc. For them I dont listen to anyone else.

A bunch of lowlifes pretending to have a sophisticated music taste. In reality they tune in to his ASOT more than we normal gym people do; but they will hide it so that they can insult other new people joining in here.

****** wannabe Armin Van Buurens who never got to that stage; so they vent out their frustation in here.

ok, so being a motivated hunter of music necessarily leads people to interpereting sounds in the same ways? Now who is being rediculous.

We need to face the obvious here, we are all part of these niches and each of us want to argue that our niche is better than the other person's. We make up these conventions for what is quality when in reality there is no measure for it other than the cultural interperetation of a sound. Just like in visual art that provokes different people to react differently because their different cultures apply different meanings to the images.

You want an example? Native Americans made quilts with swastikas in them which to them resemble the seasons, I could take you to a museum and show you these red banners with swastikas on them and I imagine you would react to them quite differently than the Native Americans did. Just because you think the banner is a fascist symbol and brings up many painful emotions of the past doesn't mean that the Native Americans are a bunch of evil nazis simply because they made an image which you interperet that way.

In the same sense 2 people can interperet a piece of music differently, one can find it "insulting to their intelligence", the other can find it pleseant, neither are wrong, because sound carries no inherrant meaning, the meaning comes from culture.

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Originally posted by Purple A bunch of lowlifes pretending to have a sophisticated music taste. In reality they tune in to his ASOT more than we normal gym people do; but they will hide it so that they can insult other new people joining in here. ****** wannabe Armin Van Buurens who never got to that stage; so they vent out their frustation in here.

I'm starting to feel an urge to smack you. You're just completely moronic. And I don't even give a fuck about whatever the fuck you listen to.

I guess you also deeply believe Tupac is still alive, the man never set foot on the moon and there's an underground civilization below earth.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 He seemed to deal with it fine, he said it was pop but he never said pop was bad. ok nevermind he just said "it isn't good music" right as I was typing this friggin post, argh. You gotta think of these things in relative terms, sure armin isn't on clearchanel, but that sound he has is so dominant that it is easily considered as the pop of EDM. I have no problem admitting that I enjoy some of the tunes because they make a good subsititue for top40 pop music, it really isnt that big of a deal to like some pop. I mean it shouldn't be such an insult to desire to be part of a crowd, crowds of people enjoying each other's company in the presence of popular music is fun. So enjoy pop music all you want in spite of the people who bitch about it! When people say that it is pop, you aren't supposed to feel insulted, you're supposed to say "so what?" I for one fell in love with the snare rolls and trance structure in 2000/2001, even though most people found it stale by 1999, it was pop, melodies, supersaws, anthems, formulas, but it didnt matter because I could turn on digitally imported all day and just take my mind to another world, fuck what other people think about it.

great post

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