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Originally posted by elFreak the values in the 70's were possible because of what happened in the 30's/40's so sorry no dice.

so we can blame Stalin and Churchill for orange plaid bell-bottoms...

i blame arch duke ferdinand.

Franz Ferdinand is a DJ isn't he?

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel don't you think that most veterens have a story like that?

+1... in my grandfather's own words (in explaining why he does not display his medals... one of only two times he actually talked to me about the war); "I'm no hero, I was just one of thousands that fought on a beach because the fight had to happen. The only thing that sets me apart from most of them is that I happened to survive being shot." Most veterans have stories to tell, all did their part, all sacrificed more then we could imagine.

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Originally posted by elFreak the values in the 70's were possible because of what happened in the 30's/40's so sorry no dice.

omg so ww2 is the fabric of our souls. holy shit i had no idea you held it that importantly.

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Originally posted by elFreak i blame arch duke ferdinand.

If he had just been standing a few inches to the left...

I am tired of always having to fucking bring this story out in these gung-ho bbq bullshit threads.

A friend of mine's Grandfather died in WW2, in Italy. He was an American soldier whose job was to basically Scout the fields alone and report enemy movement so that planes would know where to drop bombs. There's probably a word for it, but I don't know what it is because the job has no doubt been replaced by computers in recent times. Anyways, the guy decides to sleep in a seemingly abandoned farmhouse loft when, in the middle of the night, a band of German Soldiers also happens across the farmhouse and decides it would be a nice place to sleep as well. The American went quite undetected for several hours before finally deciding to radio in his very own location for bombing. The American sacrificed himself in order to protect his far-off homeland from being threatened by the oppressing Nazi menace. He's a hero, in the purest sense of you fucking people's terms and a shining example of what it means to be a patriot.

In reality, the choice of one man deciding to make such a great fucking sacrifice deprived his family of his presence for the rest of their lives. An act of sacrifice took with it several other German men whose families no doubt missed them dearly as well. It was a selfish act, one of bloodlust and the typical proselytization of the self-sacrificing Xtian hegemony we are brought up to live and die so valiantly for. Basically, it's bullshit, fucking all of it. There is nothing noble about getting yourself killed merely out of the sake of collective idealism or whatever other reason frightened children justify to themselves as a worthwhile purpose to serve. I seriously doubt that anyone here is arguing the fact that many, many millions of people have served and died in wars, unjustly or not, or that this is truly a tragic thing. But then for some of you to say that it is glorious, that it is a celebration of the fighting human spirit - don't fucking start with semantics because it's apparent some of you actually believe this - is truly a slap in the face of everyone who has ever died from the misadventure of idealistic nations, uniformed or not.

And then for some of you to become quite disdainful that this is being related to current wars... it's proof that nothing has been gained by the deaths of those whom you celebrate. That fact that man's inhumanity to man has no end is discredit enough to such a holiday of enormous conceit and pompous display of pride unearned by those espousing it, some of you have the audacity to further claim that the very concept of freedom is owed - OWED, as in a DEBT OF FREEDOM - well, that sort of destroys the image, now doesnt it?

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Originally posted by fayraree omg so ww2 is the fabric of our souls. holy shit i had no idea you held it that importantly.

Like it or hate it; the Second Great World is the most influential event of the past 150 years... well, if you consider that WWII is really just a consequence of WWI then I guess it's the second most influential event of the past 150 years.

halcyon...some of us saw the thread you made before you stopped posting a while back.

Right. And none of us would be ballsy enough to do what grandparents did or had to do.I know I'd probably be a coward and run with my tail between my legs unless MADE to. So for the people bitching, complaining, whining about it all...you really have no right to.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On In reality, the choice of one man deciding to make such a great fucking sacrifice deprived his family of his presence for the rest of their lives. An act of sacrifice took with it several other German men whose families no doubt missed them dearly as well. It was a selfish act, one of bloodlust and the typical proselytization of the self-sacrificing Xtian hegemony we are brought up to live and die so valiantly for. Basically, it's bullshit, fucking all of it. There is nothing noble about getting yourself killed merely out of the sake of collective idealism or whatever other reason frightened children justify to themselves as a worthwhile purpose to serve. I seriously doubt that anyone here is arguing the fact that many, many millions of people have served and died in wars, unjustly or not, or that this is truly a tragic thing. But then for some of you to say that it is glorious, that it is a celebration of the fighting human spirit - don't fucking start with semantics because it's apparent some of you actually believe this - is truly a slap in the face of everyone who has ever died from the misadventure of idealistic nations, uniformed or not.

He may also have saved many more men from suffering the same fate therefore spared the sacrifice of many.

I suppose you believe that all should just lie down in the face of aggression?

i never said i felt it was glorious or that it is a celebration of the fighting human spirit. i was just wanting to remember my family members who did something i would never have the balls to do. i don't understand why this is causing you so much grief?

he would rather sacrifice himself for nothing.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel i never said i felt it was glorious or that it is a celebration of the fighting human spirit. i was just wanting to remember my family members who did something i would never have the balls to do. i don't understand why this is causing you so much grief?

Because you're not just wanting to remember your family. If it were just that, you wouldn't have made a thread about it.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I suppose you believe that all should just lie down in the face of aggression?

No, quite the opposite. But I, unlike others, do not delude myself into thinking there is something noble or righteous about it.

Re: rememberance day / veterans day

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel am i the only one that remembered? who all celebrates this?

this is the first post in the thread i created. i remembered, who else? what's the big deal?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, quite the opposite. But I, unlike others, do not delude myself into thinking there is something noble or righteous about it.

if someone you know gets murdered because someone called the cops and they never came, is that a good thing?

would those cops be noble for not going?

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Originally posted by Frenchie Right. And none of us would be ballsy enough to do what grandparents did or had to do.I know I'd probably be a coward and run with my tail between my legs unless MADE to. So for the people bitching, complaining, whining about it all...you really have no right to.

No RIGHT? I thought that's what this was all about - the rights given by the dead. If I have no right - no freedom - then I obviously don't owe them a fucking thing, huh?

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Originally posted by elFreak if someone you know gets murdered because someone called the cops and they never came, is that a good thing? would those cops be noble for not going?

No, because whatever they do, they're still cops.

But apparently, the murderer should get a fucking holiday...

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, quite the opposite. But I, unlike others, do not delude myself into thinking there is something noble or righteous about it.

I don't follow your logic. How exactly is there no nobility in defending your countrymen, your family, from a hostile force?

I don't think you have the right to sit here and say oh well why should I respect this, remember this, who were these people? I don't know them blablabla they didn't do anything for me. That's such bull.

Why are you getting so upset? You can leave now.

or saving a population from extermination for no other reason than religion?

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Originally posted by Frenchie I don't think you have the right to sit here and say oh well why should I respect this, remember this, who were these people? I don't know them blablabla they didn't do anything for me. That's such bull.

He has the right to say whatever he choses, we have the right to agree or disagree, even to challenge him.

Fine, but I think he's wrong. CHALLENGE!

you would jew

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