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Originally posted by EvilTree Ok. This policy sounds fine, but it does not answer the question of why some radio shows seems to be allowed to have stream threads while others do not. (2hp being an example and UKTA radio being another)

could you give an example of a radio station that is exactly like RJs that is being stopped.

EXACTLY meaning:
Streamming sets of popular DJs recorded from Radio and large events or TOTA promos.

wow Del, your fingers must hurt

keep up the good work!

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess could you give an example of a radio station that is exactly like RJs that is being stopped. EXACTLY meaning: Streamming sets of popular DJs recorded from Radio and large events or TOTA promos.

Ok. I took the liberty of picking first one came to my mind. Not even sure if it's the best example, lol

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...shiloh+dream+on

I was and am not by any means annoyed that this thread got locked, because I accept the 'policy' regarding radio shows.

Now, I'm not sure how much popular DJ sets gets played on 1house, (nor do I see what difference it makes) but 1house does have TA content (if that makes any big difference) and as far as I know, 1house is non profit, but accepts donations (which I believe most radio stations including etn)

Other examples of TA 'radio stations' that seems to be allowed to promote is UKTA radio which strictly runs on monday for few hours and the German TAs do their bi annual big ass show on puredj I believe.

By no means I'm against RJ or 2HP.

But I am merely asking for clarification in search of fair play.

It might be just easier to say certain stations have 'official' status b/c it supports TA somehow.

It's the 'grey area' that confuses and annoys certain ppl, I think.

Regional forums are pretty much governed by their moderators - if they see radio promo threads as a problem then they can direct those threads to the Radio Promo Sticky Thread in Music Discussion instead.

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Originally posted by Swamper Regional forums are pretty much governed by their moderators - if they see radio promo threads as a problem then they can direct those threads to the Radio Promo Sticky Thread in Music Discussion instead.

So promoting streams in regional forums is at the discretion of regional moderators?

Fair enough.

What guidelines do they have? Meaning, what would be considered a 'problem' in regards to radio stream promo?

Otherwise it would seem very arbitrary.

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Originally posted by EvilTree What guidelines do they have? Meaning, what would be considered a 'problem' in regards to radio stream promo?

If you read my post you'd know what a problem is.

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Years ago it was ok to let the odd thing slide - its not worth enforcing... but, as time goes on others begin to push the boundaries and eventually ruin it for everyone. They come on a few days earlier, announce their radio show only to return an hour before show time to plug the thread for more exposure. I would usually just close the thread and leave the info in there - so the message still got out there but stood no risk of being continually bumped up. The problem gets bad real fast when a large number of people come on to promote their radio shows/internet streams and before you know it half the page is full of links to streams with 4 listeners.

Once it is a significant contribution to forum clutter/bumping then you have a problem.

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Originally posted by Swamper If you read my post you'd know what a problem is.

Yes I understand that.

However, it would seem not fair that some ppl are allowed to promote their stream and others aren't, just because everyone wants to do it meaning spamming and if few ppl do it, it's ok.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess Difference # 1 - What does Jayx1's show do for TA? Does it even mention it ever? Does it have a link on the website? Where is the info about this radio show?

actually i offered to advertise tranceaddict in exchange back when this started. Never ever got a reply though.

And what does it do for trance addict? It provides TAs with a free music download. Thats what.

Im not a paid entity. I dont get paid for this show. I dont have paid sponsors. The people i hired are doing it for free and really thats not the point.

I think its obvious that myself and RJ are not here "to promote our show". But we happened to be getting involved in one and wanted TA to share in it. But my experience in that was crushed with the unwarrented SPAM tag and that was that.

How are we supposed to talk music if its always labelled as spam? Seriously? And why isnt essential mix, ASOT etc labelled spam?

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Originally posted by Swamper It doesn't matter that you don't make any money from it - fact of the matter is that you're promoting something - a show that is part of a radio station.

and what about essential mix etc etc? They are "commercial broadcasts" too. Why dont they get the spam tag?

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Knowing that TA fits into your target market means it is worthwhile for you to post - for it brings listeners to your show/station and helps brand your show/station which can then continue off-line via word of mouth at clubs/msn/emailed links or being added to a mailing list.

It doesnt matter if people in toronto hear the show or not. This isnt an Energy 105 show. Energy 105 is merely a carrier of the show much like many foreign stations carry the essential mix. The only reason i ever posted in Trance addict is because i happen to post here daily and i thought other music enthusiasts would enjoy the show.

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Also, it's not as if the station (or even your show?) is free of commercials - which I doubt are provided free of charge.

the download is free of commericals. but no one ever asked me that did they? In fact the only commercial u will ever hear started with this weeks show since the guys hosting the show (for free) asked me to include it as a favour. God forbid they sell 1 more album because someone on TA heard it! LOL!

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Years ago it was ok to let the odd thing slide - its not worth enforcing... but, as time goes on others begin to push the boundaries and eventually ruin it for everyone. They come on a few days earlier, announce their radio show only to return an hour before show time to plug the thread for more exposure.

fair enough and thats why i stopped mentioning energy 105 when i posted the download. Even in the sig i have there is no mention of the FM outlet for the show in toronto.

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What is this clique you refer to? In the past you've brought up this radio issue and you assumed there was favouritism on the board until I referenced you to threads from the months prior that were all closed and radio related - yet - here you are again making the same accusations. Feel free to PM me or reply in here with specific links.

that was more directed at the people slamming others with events and photo links. Doesnt seem like anyone wants to support a TOTA.

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There is a problem specifically because I don't want TA to become one of those 'other boards' - where people who don't participate come on and just post a link and don't come back until they need to bump the thread and/or post another one!

not saying there shouldnt be controls but to allow foreign downloads/albums/discussion but to shut down TOTA ones is a bit of a double standard. Especially when its well understood that the TOTA is not here to promote their thing.

Perhaps the Answer is a Radio show download sticky? ALL shows include foreign ones go there. That way there is no more confusion, heartache and BS.

Swamper i understand you have a tight rope to balance on here but I have sent various PMs to try and clear this up privately without reply.

Its too bad it took this malicious thread to bring it out and possibly to a solution.

Again, my intentions here were very altruistic. I personally have nothing to gain if torontonians listen to my show or not. If i did i wouldnt even be talking about this so freely it in public. Dont want to hurt the almighty image dont u know! LOL I just wanted people to enjoy the work i had created. Otherwise why am i doing it?

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Originally posted by Swamper Once it is a significant contribution to forum clutter/bumping then you have a problem.

Fair enough.

Thanks for the time

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Swamper i understand you have a tight rope to balance on here but I have sent various PMs to try and clear this up privately without reply.

I don't like wasting my time with things I've already communicated with you about - we discussed this in email on July 13 - you were emailed regarding radio promo threads in the Toronto forum and why your radio threads were closed then. I know you read it because you replied to me.

ASOT threads get closed... for example, the thread you bumped from last week was posted 2 months prior - if there was as prevalent a discrepancy (with regards to radio thread locking) as you claim then you wouldn't have to go looking that far back.

As for the other topic you raised - Intl downloads go in the download thread and tota dj mix ones go in that one.

And you can promote your radio station in your sig - just read the sig rules, it's further explained there.

Ok thats fine... just as long as there is no double standard you will not hear one more word out of me about this.

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Originally posted by Swamper (unless of course there was drunken sex/shenanigans involved, because that's always interesting).

hahahaha


here here

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Originally posted by shanny I know thats what you meant when this started Jon, it just seemed like this thread took more changes in directions than Lisa-Loo trying to find her way on a road trip, and that was one of the directions I thought it was taking.

you think lisa is bad... you should take a drive with me... trust..

swamper ftw

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Originally posted by shanny Jon don't get me wrong, I agree with you on much of what you have to say. However disagree with your opinion about maximizing the quality of content on the message board. John Stuart Mill argues that the best way to come up with good content is to have no restrictions, which then allow for the greatest variety of ideas to be brought forth. From the ideas can be objected to, defended and either accepted or rejected by the masses.

I totally agree with you that a lack of restrictions promotes good content. From what I read of this thread, the purpose was to air out some dirty laundry about a subtle abuse of this forum for reasons of personal gain that has been going on recently. At least that was my purpose. I'm not interested in restrictions.

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Originally posted by loca Well i, for one (and probably the only one), totally and completely agree with you. I don't see how your radio show is any different from RJ's radio. This board has become nothing but an ass-kissing fest where the "cool" people do basically what they want and the other people get shit on. One of the big reasons why Carlos and i barely go on this board anymore. It's all bitching, whinning, catfights, ganging up on people, and making little nasty/totally irrelevant comments that everyone jumps on afterwards and goes "OMG HA HA HA YOU ARE SOOOO FUNNY OMG COOL GUY! HA HA". Lame, lame, lame. Grow up.

I find it a little hard to believe that the reason you don't post on this board anymore is due to it's cliqueyness, when you coincidentally don't party anymore.

On the subject of cliqueyness, a lot of the complaints of cliqueyness made on this board are based on jealousy. The people who are you are acusing of this have been active, contributing members of the Tranceaddict community and the Toronto afterhours community for years. Is it an out-of-this-world concept that people who have been active, contributing members of a community for years are more liked and supported than other members, or get a bit of preferential treatment? I don't think so. That's the way the world works.

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Originally posted by The Highroller I find it a little hard to believe that the reason you don't post on this board anymore is due to it's cliqueyness, when you coincidentally don't party anymore. On the subject of cliqueyness, a lot of the complaints of cliqueyness made on this board are based on jealousy. The people who are you are acusing of this have been active, contributing members of the Tranceaddict community and the Toronto afterhours community for years. Is it an out-of-this-world concept that people who have been active, contributing members of a community for years are more liked and supported than other members, or get a bit of preferential treatment? I don't think so. That's the way the world works.

First off, the reason i don't party anymore isn't because i don't want to. I have a medical condition which renders the vast majority of clubs impossible for me to attend. Believe me if i could still make it out there, i would. And yes, the reason i don't post much anymore is because of the cliqueyness. Whether you find that hard to believe or not makes no difference to me, that is my reason and if you don't believe it then tough shit.

Second, and on the subject of "cliqueyness", i fail to see where i pointed the finger in any particular way, shape, or form. There are various amounts of cliques on this board, not all of them new, and not all of them old. Do not put words in my mouth. I find all forms of cliques, old and new to be pretty fucking lame. This is not high school ffs.

Third, I understand that people that have been around for longer deserve some preferential treatment if they cannot live without having any but i do honestly believe that everyone should be treated equally. Whether or not you agree with me is not my problem, i am just stating an opinion on why this board has gone downhill. And am i jealous? LOL Fuck no. And i don't think all complaints of cliqueyness are based on jealousy either. Why would i be jealous of people ganging up on other people? Who the hell would want to be part of that type of "special" group? Not me, that i know for sure.

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Originally posted by loca First off, the reason i don't party anymore isn't because i don't want to. I have a medical condition which renders the vast majority of clubs impossible for me to attend.

me and you are in the same boat

Didn't bother to read the entire read, but I do agree in parts with Highroller, RJ and StereoPrincess.

As an old member i've noticed the promotion has become a lot more aggressive, and yes it does come down to roll call threads which get bumped more often then they should, and glossy reviews which are biased and filled with hyperbole.

After you've read a couple of weeks in a row that a party is the greatest, bestest, most dirtiest shindig to ever take place in T.Dot then you start to doubt the integrity of the poster.

Rule 1 of clubbing forms.

Promoters don't start Roll Calls, or Party Reviews...

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Originally posted by Kytracid After you've read a couple of weeks in a row that a party is the greatest, bestest, most dirtiest shindig to ever take place in T.Dot then you start to doubt the integrity of the poster.

This is the #1 thing that I have had problems with, for about a year or so now. I do not see it as an integrity issue at all. I see it as people having very short term memories, and just living in the momment.

I say, go out have fun, and live every day like it is your last, but when giving your review, its time for reflection and consolidation. Take some time, give it some proper thought and just don't post the first/strongest emotion which pops into your head.

I think it goes back to the over the top behaviour thread that Nat started a while back; everything has to be grand and the best, it cannot just be.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 First: People who complain about this have way too much time on their hands. Ive always said that if you dont like it, dont click on it. Obviously political threads for example arent for everyone and ive noticed that there are those who participate and those who dont. Same thing for event reviews. Some reviews i read and some i dont. I have the ability to select based on my interest. Why cant others? If im interested in whats out there then i will read more into detail. I think most TOTAs have already figured out who is affiliated with what so its not hard to take a grain of salt with some comments. People wonder why "trance" doesnt get talked about? Well id argue that dance music in general doesnt get talked about. Because 90% of our scene involves events, music downloads, discussions about albums etc etc and with the ever increasing restrictions placed around here its getting harder and harder to talk about these things. For example my radio show. I dont make ANY money from this thing. I am not a DJ who is promoting myself. In fact the only reason I do this show is because of my love of music and my longtime (since childhood) dream of having a radio show. Yet everytime i try to talk about it it's labelled as spam? Bottom line. IF YOU DONT WANT TO READ ABOUT IT, DONT CLICK ON IT. Otherwise STFU!

For my money, very few posters on TA write unbiased reviews anymore (or even make the attempt). Off the top of my head, I can only think of HighRoller who has consistently been honest with his reviews...

I've opened review threads and virtually skimmed 2-3 pages because they were filled with the generic - OMG HE ROCKED...OMG SO DIRTY I DIE comments till I found an account which actually mentioned both the good and the bad aspects of a club nite.

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Originally posted by Kytracid Off the top of my head, I can only think of HighRoller who has consistently been honest with his reviews...

High praise to Graham. Awesome. And I'd agree 100% with that statement about his reviews too. Even if its a DJ I -KNOW- he loves and is prolly his favourite, if Graham attended that event and thought his favourite DJ in the world SUCKED BALLS or was only average or that the event over all was shitty, he'd say as much... and he HAS said as much on more than one occaison. To many ppl only write positive reviews when their "FAVOURITE IN THE WHOLE WORLD" DJ is spinning (and ive been guilty of this too in the past w/ Armin... i know)

I love Graham's assessments of things and he always maintains his perspective, which is something I value and respect in all his comments.

Aw, shucks. Thanks guys.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Aw, shucks. Thanks guys.

<3

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