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Posted by geroin on Apr-13-2007 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by m2j
Yea, in appearance mine look almost identical as well.

But I was concerned about the strength difference. I want both my arms to be at the same strength level.


when you work your arms try to push your weaker arm a little bit more and eventually they should even out. I even took it to the extreme once and started brushing my teeth with my left, driving with my left, eating with my left, anything to push it lol


Posted by m2j on Apr-13-2007 18:58:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
when you work your arms try to push your weaker arm a little bit more and eventually they should even out. I even took it to the extreme once and started brushing my teeth with my left, driving with my left, eating with my left, anything to push it lol


good idea bro. hahaha

how's it working for you?


Posted by bigfatandugly on Apr-13-2007 19:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Ravist
what is your advice on someone who has an ectomorph body and wants to add bulk in shortest time possible? i know ectomorphs have high metabolisms but id like to know wats the perfect workout routine including how many exercises per muscle group, how often, and what days do i work on each muscle?


well ravist, i don't believe in adding bulk in the shortest time possible. approaching weight gain like this will result in more adipose tissue than lean muscle.

a slow, steady approach to weight gain will produce a more quality physique over time- try not to look at weight gain as a sprint, but a marathon.

now, secondly it isnt your routine that will produce results. this is a common misconception. everyone focuses on thier routine. the routine is secondary to your nutrition. i could say as much as 80% of the gains you make from your efforts in the gym start with your diet- it doesn't matter what your routine is. if your diet is on point, and your adding a stimulus to a muscle cell, progressively overloading it over time you will make gains.

once you get your diet on point, then experiment with a system that will work best for you. try 3 day splits for a month or 2 working the entire body twice in one week. how do you feel/ look? then try a one bodypart a day routine, training each mucsle group once a week for a month. how do you look/ feel?

you will read about routines for body types. i have issues with this. everyone's body is different, no matter what your body type. just find what works best for you. take all the top pros. no two have routines that are the same, even though they are the genetically elite of thier sport. you'd think they'd all train the same, right? wrong- its just goes to show you how individual your body is. find what works best for you. take the time and you'll be rewarded with resutls, not immediately, but you will reap better results over time- run the marathon, not the sprint.

dont sweat being an ectomorph, you can turn this seeming disadvantge into a huge advantage. why, well for one, you'll be able to consume a considerable amount of caloires in the form of clean calories without needing to worry about gaining too much fat. just make sure those excess calories are clean and you'll build quality muscle. unlike endo's like myself who can't consume an excess of calories no matter how clean, without gaining unwanted fat. i have to be very careful with how much i eat, no matter how clean. this gives you a distinct advantage over other trainers. you can cover all your nutritional bases and then some to ensure maximum hyertrophy. use your seeming disadvantage to a huge advantage.

i'll address other questions in a bit band will be back to throw in my $0.02 regarding other things

hope this helps ravist.

BFU


Posted by m2j on Apr-13-2007 19:28:

^^^ some great points in there, bigfatandugly. are you a personal trainer?


Posted by infinity HiGH on Apr-13-2007 19:35:

What kind of exercises do you guys do for the back? it seems like everything I do, I can never get that burning feeling. My biceps get a better workout than my back does.


Posted by _EuG_ on Apr-13-2007 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
What kind of exercises do you guys do for the back? it seems like everything I do, I can never get that burning feeling. My biceps get a better workout than my back does.


Pullups, Pulldowns wide grip/close grip, Bent over barbell rows, Pullover machine, one arm dumbell rows, cable rows.


Posted by Cro_Addict on Apr-13-2007 19:44:

Ok well I am totally opositive from all you muscle heads


I need to LOSE FAT!

I have my diet pretty much on point. But what kind of routine do you suggest? Do more cardio or weightlifting? Any tips would be great.

Thanks


Posted by beefy k on Apr-13-2007 19:49:

this thread is HUGE.

My routine:

2 days on and 1 day off.

i vary my splits:

A)

Chest and Back
Bis and Tris
Shoulders
Legs

B)

Chest and tri's
Back and bi's
Shoulders
Legs

C)

Chest and bi's
Back and tri's
Shoulders
Legs

The keys are:

keep it dynamic, don't stick to one routine for more than 3-4 weeks.
fuck supplments. eat well. tuna, onions, spinach, lots of fruits.

and RUN RUN RUN~!!!!!!!!!!!!

at least 2 times a week!!!!!!!!!


i have pics. people don't believe that i'm in electrical engineering because of the shape i am in (most engineers are rather out of shape and sickly)

and if you are beginning DON'T GO TO FUCKING EXTREME OR ANY BULLSHIT LIKE THAT. You will feel puny. Start with body weight. Get comfortable with that. You should be able to do 3 sets of at least 10 reps of widegrip pull ups before going to weights.

I love this topic and i will be glad to answer any questions.


Posted by Cro_Addict on Apr-13-2007 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by beefy k


u got PM


Posted by JPinCanada on Apr-13-2007 19:54:

The Best Way I think

The best way to build Muscle is to do HIGH weight LOW reps.

Just about to leave work...I will write more later...

I'm All over this THREAD!!! I Love This stuff.

JACKSONVILLE!!!!!!


Posted by beefy k on Apr-13-2007 19:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Cro_Addict
Ok well I am totally opositive from all you muscle heads


I need to LOSE FAT!

I have my diet pretty much on point. But what kind of routine do you suggest? Do more cardio or weightlifting? Any tips would be great.

Thanks


If your goal is to lost fat, then:

-eat a huge breakfast: most people don't know that your metabolism is not initiate (i.e insulin production") until you get some good food in your belly. some suggestions:
-eat porridge, its so good for you. avoid butter
-fruits, bagels.
-eggs 2 or 3 times a week
-good cereal with fibre

-don't eat and complex or simple carbs after 6. so no fruits, candy ice cream. if you are hungry eat veggies. and NO DIP. maybe some salt to taste and vinegar.

no here is the hard part:

get up before work/school every morning and jog for 20-30 mins. if you have to start with a bike thats fine, just make sure you sweat and get your heart going. I CANNOT STRESS HOW WELL A RUN IN THE MORNING WILL CHANGE YOUR DAY. IF YOU TRY IT YOU WILL SEE.

Try it and let me know how it goes.


Posted by Cro_Addict on Apr-13-2007 20:02:

quote:
Originally posted by beefy k
If your goal is to lost fat, then:

-eat a huge breakfast: most people don't know that your metabolism is not initiate (i.e insulin production") until you get some good food in your belly. some suggestions:
-eat porridge, its so good for you. avoid butter
-fruits, bagels.
-eggs 2 or 3 times a week
-good cereal with fibre

-don't eat and complex or simple carbs after 6. so no fruits, candy ice cream. if you are hungry eat veggies. and NO DIP. maybe some salt to taste and vinegar.

no here is the hard part:

get up before work/school every morning and jog for 20-30 mins. if you have to start with a bike thats fine, just make sure you sweat and get your heart going. I CANNOT STRESS HOW WELL A RUN IN THE MORNING WILL CHANGE YOUR DAY. IF YOU TRY IT YOU WILL SEE.

Try it and let me know how it goes.


Yeah i got the eating part down, thanks for that.

I just brought my uncle's treadmill to my house yesterday. So I will be starting to run in the mornings.

As far as weightlifting. Should I do one group at a time or just do like 1 or 2 exercises and do upper one day and then lower the next day?


Posted by beefy k on Apr-13-2007 20:04:

Re: The Best Way I think

quote:
Originally posted by JPinCanada
The best way to build Muscle is to do HIGH weight LOW reps.

Just about to leave work...I will write more later...

I'm All over this THREAD!!! I Love This stuff.

JACKSONVILLE!!!!!!


Very true. A great way to get big is to first:

Gain weight. Don't be afraid to put on some fat, or as i like to call it, energy storage for muscle growth.

Now, when you train do compound exercises with high weight that you can do no more than 5 or 6 reps of. you will need a spot because you shouldn't be able to lift it more than 6 times with help.

bench press
shoulder press
leg press
squats (more experienced trainers)
rows
dead lifts (experience)

more on this later gotta go eat


Posted by bluE_Neon on Apr-13-2007 20:38:

quote:
Originally posted by m2j
But I was concerned about the strength difference. I want both my arms to be at the same strength level.


There are ways around it. The easiest & fastest way is to make changes mentally. Stop underestimating your weaker side. Believe in your weaker side. Next time your doing barbell curls or incline dumbbell curls grab the same amount of weight for both hands and try to squeeze out those 6-8 reps efficiently. You might need to lower the weight just because the weaker side needs to adjust & mature to the stronger one. No problems shouldn't be encountered for the stronger side as the lighter weight will feel like air but do not neglect the weight. Remember, both hands are adoptable.


Posted by matty on Apr-13-2007 20:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Cro_Addict
Ok well I am totally opositive from all you muscle heads


I need to LOSE FAT!

I have my diet pretty much on point. But what kind of routine do you suggest? Do more cardio or weightlifting? Any tips would be great.

Thanks


A combination of both did it for me. Cardio is great for weight loss, just make sure you keep your heart rate under 130. This ensures that your body burns the stores of fat and not glycogen.

Now, muscles need calories to function. The more muscle you have the more calories your body needs (i.e. a much higher resting metabolism rate). So building muscle will in the end promote fat loss.

I had 2 major knee surgeries and got up to 245 lbs, 22% BF. I started my routine with 30 min of cardio, then did my weights, and finished off with cardio. I hate running so i rode a bike and played beach volley. Over a course of 2 years i droped 60 lbs and 17% BF.

Make sure you don't try to lose the weight/fat too fast. A nice slow weight loss will stay with you longer. Your body can't handle more then 10 lbs of weight loss per month. Keeping it around that mark will make your gains more permanent.


Posted by ChrisD on Apr-13-2007 20:53:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
What kind of exercises do you guys do for the back? it seems like everything I do, I can never get that burning feeling. My biceps get a better workout than my back does.


I would wager your not doing chins?


Posted by ChrisD on Apr-13-2007 20:53:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
What kind of exercises do you guys do for the back? it seems like everything I do, I can never get that burning feeling. My biceps get a better workout than my back does.


I would wager your not doing chins?


Posted by geroin on Apr-13-2007 20:54:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisD
I would wager your not doing chins?


definitely gonna burn after that


Posted by Ravist on Apr-13-2007 21:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Killah Monkey
I am just suggesting that you might have too many exercises in your routine.

For example... what can you squat? Free-standing? and how many reps/sets do you do?


last time i tried was maybe close to 100 lbs? but it was more than a month ago because i slipped on the ice on a drunken night and really damaged my ankle badly, i couldnt walk with that foot for over 2 weeks and polish as i am, i didnt even bother going to a doctor to check it out but ill try tomorrow when i do legs and ill get back to you


Posted by Ravist on Apr-13-2007 21:34:

quote:
Originally posted by bigfatandugly
well ravist, i don't believe in adding bulk in the shortest time possible. approaching weight gain like this will result in more adipose tissue than lean muscle.

a slow, steady approach to weight gain will produce a more quality physique over time- try not to look at weight gain as a sprint, but a marathon.

now, secondly it isnt your routine that will produce results. this is a common misconception. everyone focuses on thier routine. the routine is secondary to your nutrition. i could say as much as 80% of the gains you make from your efforts in the gym start with your diet- it doesn't matter what your routine is. if your diet is on point, and your adding a stimulus to a muscle cell, progressively overloading it over time you will make gains.

once you get your diet on point, then experiment with a system that will work best for you. try 3 day splits for a month or 2 working the entire body twice in one week. how do you feel/ look? then try a one bodypart a day routine, training each mucsle group once a week for a month. how do you look/ feel?

you will read about routines for body types. i have issues with this. everyone's body is different, no matter what your body type. just find what works best for you. take all the top pros. no two have routines that are the same, even though they are the genetically elite of thier sport. you'd think they'd all train the same, right? wrong- its just goes to show you how individual your body is. find what works best for you. take the time and you'll be rewarded with resutls, not immediately, but you will reap better results over time- run the marathon, not the sprint.

dont sweat being an ectomorph, you can turn this seeming disadvantge into a huge advantage. why, well for one, you'll be able to consume a considerable amount of caloires in the form of clean calories without needing to worry about gaining too much fat. just make sure those excess calories are clean and you'll build quality muscle. unlike endo's like myself who can't consume an excess of calories no matter how clean, without gaining unwanted fat. i have to be very careful with how much i eat, no matter how clean. this gives you a distinct advantage over other trainers. you can cover all your nutritional bases and then some to ensure maximum hyertrophy. use your seeming disadvantage to a huge advantage.

i'll address other questions in a bit band will be back to throw in my $0.02 regarding other things

hope this helps ravist.

BFU


yes a healthy diet is essential to body building that i know, im trying to eat around 4-6 meals a day perferably 6 since i wanna gain mass. You are right about me having advantages to being an ectomorph, when i get to the size i want, cutting down and getting definition will not take long for me. So far i have two different workout routines that i change every month or so, but i'll make more varities because Killah_Monkey is right about the 3 exercises per muscle group, so i could create a routine like that and the one's you talked about. The more variations of routines that i have the stronger i'll get in a shorter amount of time because doing the same routine for months won't get you the results as fast as changing it up.


Posted by Ravist on Apr-13-2007 21:37:

quote:
Originally posted by bluE_Neon
If you want to become a bodybuilder your on the right track with the routine. Working out one muscle group a day gives high potential, power & intensity to the muscle occupied. This way you also give your other muscles rest. Switch up the routine by exercising shoulders on the second day, fourth day back and fifth day chest. Never ever start a routine without working your arms on the first day because your bound to injuries quickier than you think. Logically speaking you lift, pull & push in all exercises rather it's a shoulder, back or chest routine. It's imperative that you give your arms a proper pump.
If you come to the gym and release all tension and power on the muscle and you feel exhausted after than there's no problem. But if your feeling weak than reevaluate your training routine. Cut down on the reps or sets. Experiment with your body first. See what it desires and feels best for it. Remember, where the mind goes the body follows


thanks for the advice, but i have one question. I talked to a personal trainer at my gym and he told me that if im doing back 1 day and chest the next day i should space those 2 out 3-4 days apart, did u ever hear of this?


Posted by _EuG_ on Apr-13-2007 21:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Ravist
last time i tried was maybe close to 100 lbs? but it was more than a month ago because i slipped on the ice on a drunken night and really damaged my ankle badly, i couldnt walk with that foot for over 2 weeks and polish as i am, i didnt even bother going to a doctor to check it out but ill try tomorrow when i do legs and ill get back to you


Drinking and bodybuilding dont mix. You have to squat at least once a week man... start with low weight and work your way up. In no time you will be pushing 2 plates + a side. You will be suprised how fast your squat improves at the begining.



You gotta throw in some deadlifts into your routine as well. I would suggest Romanian Deadlifts on your ham session


Posted by Killah Monkey on Apr-13-2007 22:03:

I <3 leg day

This week my leg routine included...

Free-Standing Squats ss w/ Reverse Lunges
Narrow Stance Hack Squats ss w/ Smith Machine Lunges
Leg Extensions ss w/ Lying Leg Curls

I don't really like to do supersets on Leg day, I find it takes away from my power, but I was working out on someone elses routine.


Posted by _EuG_ on Apr-13-2007 22:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Killah Monkey
I <3 leg day

This week my leg routine included...

Free-Standing Squats ss w/ Reverse Lunges
Narrow Stance Hack Squats ss w/ Smith Machine Lunges
Leg Extensions ss w/ Lying Leg Curls

I don't really like to do supersets on Leg day, I find it takes away from my power, but I was working out on someone elses routine.


Ye leg day is definatly the most fun (hardcore) day at the gym.

I am currently doing

4 sets of Squats 6 - 10 reps
3 sets of lunges or leg press 6-8 reps ( i hate lunges and i suck bad at them so i do em every other leg work out)
4 super sets for my calves (standing / seating raises)
3 sets of Standing/laying/seated leg curls 8 - 10 reps (each workout i change exercise)
4 sets of Romanian Deadlifts 8- 10 reps.

Im basicly dead after that and have to limp to the change room to have my PWO


Posted by Ravist on Apr-13-2007 22:17:

quote:
Originally posted by _EuG_
Drinking and bodybuilding dont mix. You have to squat at least once a week man... start with low weight and work your way up. In no time you will be pushing 2 plates + a side. You will be suprised how fast your squat improves at the begining.



You gotta throw in some deadlifts into your routine as well. I would suggest Romanian Deadlifts on your ham session



i do deadlifts but just the regular one's not the romanian deadlifts, i do deadlifts when im working on my back


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