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Originally posted by MarkT unless we get to listen to 4 more years of how the liberal media ruins everything

yeah yeah yeah like the liberals don't bash pc

i don't get why people would vote for a liar, but what else is new lol

I didn't vote, because all of them suck.

(and it was raining outside and didn't want to ruin my hair).

47.4% of ontarians have no right to complain for the next 4 years... strangely, the biggest complainers i've encountered are usually the people who don't vote...

yes, my polling station was DEAD. I was the only one in there at 6 p.m. perfect time after work and no one was there.

i think it had to do with the rain.
lol. pretty funny if you ask me.

we had one set up right in the lobby of my building, so convenient

I'm in Don Valley West (Tory's riding), and it was nothing but old white people. I mention white, because well I was the only minority around...interesting.

The workers also said, I was one of the only young people to come in to vote, and I went at 6pm!

I did vote for Tory, and he didn't even win.

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Originally posted by djeso yeah yeah yeah like the liberals don't bash pc i don't get why people would vote for a liar, but what else is new lol

my point was that, lately, a major excuse by some PC supporters is that the media is all liberal and bashing them in the press (i.e. not a level playing field).

of course supporters of each bash their opponents.

my main point is *exactly* what you said last...how lame is Tory perceived as a leader if people are willing to vote for a party headed by a liar? i.e. perhaps the provincial Conservatives need to examine their leadership and strategy if they can't even appeal enough to the public to oust a liar.

no?

jeez...Tory couldn't even win his own fucking seat, lol. Granted he was opposing a strong Liberal in Wynne, but it's a sad indication of his leadership and appeal (or lack thereof) if he can't even win his own seat!

Miserable outcome.

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Originally posted by MarkT Granted he was opposing a strong Liberal in Wynne

tory's choice to run against wynne almost makes him to honest. i'd like to see the day when mcguinty takes a challenging riding to run in. I'm surprised anyone in ontario would vote for him anyways. Even if you're in agreeance with the liberal platform, how could you vote for mcguinty himself?

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Miserable outcome.

perhaps. McGuinty has a chance to actually DO something. Just as Danny Williams, with his ridiculous domination, now has the opportunity to DO something in NFLD. He won on the basis of standing up to the feds, but now he has to work with the feds to improve the situation of the province. That mandate will only go so far if results are not achieved.

but...the people have spoken here (cliche as that sounds). The conservatives have no one to blame but themselves. If the public are "ignorant" in handing McGuinty another majority, much of the blame has to fall at the opposition parties' failure to "educate" and appeal to voters.

it's also sad that only slightly more than half of eligible voters cast ballots. perhaps that's an indication of exasperation and voter apathy due to a lack of a good choice?

either way...if the Consvatives have half a brain, they'll ditch Tory as leader or at least completely revamp their strategy in the next election (like maybe focusing on their own platform instead of bashing the opposition). He couldn't win his own seat and his strategy (or lack thereof) was a complete disaster. McGuinty barely had to campaign at all...he essnentially coasted to not only the win, but the first consecutive majority win in what, 70 years?

pathetic on so many levels.

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Originally posted by exstasie Looks like the people just don't care. Don't understand how, but whatever. I hate this country sometimes haha. What the Consevatives need is true right wing leader. Not some wishy washy leader who can't stick to the party's values!

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Originally posted by exstasie Looks like the people just don't care. Don't understand how, but whatever. I hate this country sometimes haha. What the Consevatives need is true right wing leader. Not some wishy washy leader who can't stick to the party's values!

Agreed... ive always felt that Frank Klees would make a great Premier. Hed institute some much needed change to the way we do business here.

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Originally posted by MarkT my point was that, lately, a major excuse by some PC supporters is that the media is all liberal and bashing them in the press (i.e. not a level playing field). of course supporters of each bash their opponents. my main point is *exactly* what you said last...how lame is Tory perceived as a leader if people are willing to vote for a party headed by a liar? i.e. perhaps the provincial Conservatives need to examine their leadership and strategy if they can't even appeal enough to the public to oust a liar. no? jeez...Tory couldn't even win his own fucking seat, lol. Granted he was opposing a strong Liberal in Wynne, but it's a sad indication of his leadership and appeal (or lack thereof) if he can't even win his own seat!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it mcguinty who promised he wouldn't raise taxes, but after being elected first thing he did was raise taxes?

I agree regarding the bashing ... it's definitely not necessary

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Originally posted by djeso Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it mcguinty who promised he wouldn't raise taxes, but after being elected first thing he did was raise taxes?

How about the raising of university/college fees?
Bah... I don't understand why Ontario (or even Canada for that matter) doesn't just have compulsory voting.

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Originally posted by loca How about the raising of university/college fees? Bah... I don't understand why Ontario (or even Canada for that matter) doesn't just have compulsory voting.

because you have people feeling resentment towards the entire election process
less educated voters voting for what purpose? not to mention 'protest' votes like voting for the lunatic lesbian whalers for life party

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Originally posted by loca Bah... I don't understand why Ontario (or even Canada for that matter) doesn't just have compulsory voting.

I can field this one. The problem with conpulsory voting is that while you can force people to vote you cannot force them to be informed. Ultimately, those who would normally choose not to vote but do so under threat of punishment will show up and mark a box but they will often be uniformed or at best under informed. The end result is 40% of the population casts a vote at random or based on some idiotic criteria like name recognition, hair colour, race, the asthetics of lawn signs, etc. Personally, I'd just as soon have that 40% stay home and not fuck things up. If you can't be bothered to vote chances are you really shouldn't be given the power to elect a government.... I think Fat Mike said it best, "there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated."

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Originally posted by djeso Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it mcguinty who promised he wouldn't raise taxes, but after being elected first thing he did was raise taxes? I agree regarding the bashing ... it's definitely not necessary

I'm honestly not sure how that's relevant to what I'm saying...?

McGuinty is a repeated liar and has done little in his tenure as Premier. That's pretty much indisputable, IMHO.

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Originally posted by MarkT perhaps. McGuinty has a chance to actually DO something. Just as Danny Williams, with his ridiculous domination, now has the opportunity to DO something in NFLD. He won on the basis of standing up to the feds, but now he has to work with the feds to improve the situation of the province. That mandate will only go so far if results are not achieved. but...the people have spoken here (cliche as that sounds). The conservatives have no one to blame but themselves. If the public are "ignorant" in handing McGuinty another majority, much of the blame has to fall at the opposition parties' failure to "educate" and appeal to voters. it's also sad that only slightly more than half of eligible voters cast ballots. perhaps that's an indication of exasperation and voter apathy due to a lack of a good choice? either way...if the Consvatives have half a brain, they'll ditch Tory as leader or at least completely revamp their strategy in the next election (like maybe focusing on their own platform instead of bashing the opposition). He couldn't win his own seat and his strategy (or lack thereof) was a complete disaster. McGuinty barely had to campaign at all...he essnentially coasted to not only the win, but the first consecutive majority win in what, 70 years? pathetic on so many levels.

+1

you can't blame the public for voting the way they do .. only the poltilical parties that fail at convincing the voters to vote otherwise

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Canadians dont care about politics, this country can easily fall to bad leaders like it happened across the border. Apart from TAs on here, many young people dont vote, or even heard of the names of the 4 main party representatives in their area.

i'm shocked at the fact that only half of those eligible actually voted..and that Tory even lost his own riding buahahaha...i thought he'd win that at least

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Originally posted by afterhrsgurl i'm shocked at the fact that only half of those eligible actually voted..and that Tory even lost his own riding buahahaha...i thought he'd win that at least

it wasn't his riding. he took at shot at a liberal stronghold but lost. the incumbent liberal got re elected.

voter turn out is just sad.
people are so lazy. like how long does it really take to put a check beside a name? once every 4 years?

on another note, if say 90% of people voted and not 50% like last night the outcome would be basicaly the same.

dont be fooled.

the liberals would have still had a land slide.

remmeber, all politicans make promises, all of them lie, all of them break a promise at one time or another. that aside.
as a whole, our province and economy is doing a whole lot better than it was 4 years ago.

im glad the liberals won.

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Originally posted by EvilTree it wasn't his riding. he took at shot at a liberal stronghold but lost. the incumbent liberal got re elected.

"PC Leader John Tory suffered defeat in his own riding" (cbc.ca)
u can word it however u want

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Originally posted by afterhrsgurl "PC Leader John Tory suffered defeat in his own riding" (cbc.ca) u can word it however u want

I believe he used to live in that riding as a kid. (So does that make it 'his riding')?

Considering that he's never been the MMP of that particular riding. (IIRC, his previous seat was somewhere else)

Ah, the media spin. How wonderfully they amuse me

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Originally posted by djeso Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it mcguinty who promised he wouldn't raise taxes, but after being elected first thing he did was raise taxes? I agree regarding the bashing ... it's definitely not necessary

What people seem to forget is that the last PC Party left the liberals with over a 5 billion dollar debt.....the liberals had to make the hard choice to raise taxes in order to get the province back on track.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced What people seem to forget is that the last PC Party left the liberals with over a 5 billion dollar debt.....the liberals had to make the hard choice to raise taxes in order to get the province back on track.

i'm not annoyed that he raised taxes.

i'm annoyed that he got elected promising not to raise taxes, but go on to raise taxes.

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