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Originally posted by AustralianGQ i feel bad for lawerence and dan since they probally didnt know that this was going on

Keep on thinking that. If you think or whatever.

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Originally posted by DaveT I think it's unfair to say all DJs know something is going on. Marketing Managers often get their pay based off of a percentage. By boosting the DJ's status, that DJ gets more gigs/higher pay so he gets paid more himself. Plus that probably makes the DJ happy with the marketing manager and they will stay signed with him. While what the marketing manager did might have been helping the DJ get paid more in the end, for all we know the marketing manager was only looking out for himself and doing what he could to try to get paid more. People just want to find a reason to hate on DJs. With that, CL and DJ are taking their marketing manager to court over this. Unless they plan on flat out lying to the court (and you don't want to be caught committing purgery here in the US. You could get 2-5 years easily even in just minor cases.), I think if they go through with all this through court, I'll have to believe them. With them skyrocketing last year, must we not forget that in 2004 CL was #7, I believe, then droped some in 2005 and then went back up last year. I dunno if he had the same marketing manager all those years, but looking at last year does nothing for me to think his votes were fake in any way. Maybe there were, I dunno. Just saying you can't just look at last year and say his votes were fake. Did he have the same marketing manager last year? Now Dan is a whole different story. Last year was blasphamy from the beginning. Maybe Dan was wondering himself how that happened, maybe he wasn't. But again, if someone wanted to cheat the system it could have been done by ANYONE.....I think how things came to boil and it was easy for them to figure out this year is that the common factor was found between the two...the marketing manager. Dave

I fail to believe that both djs decided "you know what, I'm going to hire a manager as my overseer and have basically no idea what the manager is doing". Both of them have the same manager and that manager did shady maneuvers to help bolster his clients in a pointless poll. I can't help but imagine one of them had some iota of an inkling of what was going on. Whether they chose to do anything about it, or even acknowledge it is another issue, but it'd be naive to think otherwise.

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL DJ's don't get paid THAT much to not give a shit.

Maybe not the Djs you know..

I'm sure a Dj, say like.. Markus Schultz probably knows everything that goes on his career cos he's at the B grade. A clear tell is his earnest attitude and the "holier than thou" statements about the polls, not to mention the aliased postings made by him and his wife bigging him up on the message boards.

But the bigger DJs can have over twenty or thirty people working for them, many of whose names they don't even know.

That's the difference.

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Originally posted by darkdoze Maybe not the Djs you know.. I'm sure a Dj, say like.. Markus Schultz probably knows everything that goes on his career cos he's at the B grade. A clear tell is his earnest attitude and the "holier than thou" statements about the polls, not to mention the aliased postings made by him and his wife bigging him up on the message boards. But the bigger DJs can have over twenty or thirty people working for them, many of whose names they don't even know. That's the difference.

So by "bigger Dj's" than Markus you mean Dj Dan and CL??

I also don't think he had a 'holier than thou' attitude for saying something that is true. That's another thread though .

I agree 100% with Ted Promo's post.


If I were to hire someone to MARKET my career... I'd want to know exactly what are the ideas they may have to help boost my career.

Why else would I pay them??

pathetic

christopher lawerence maybe deserve a top 10 spot, but DJ Dan?? serisouly, who is this guy?

wait hang on this totally affects my life!

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Originally posted by Mgz pathetic christopher lawerence maybe deserve a top 10 spot, but DJ Dan?? serisouly, who is this guy?

DJ Dan has been DJing longer than you have been alive and was instrumental, along with Olav Basoski, in the late 90s explosion of disco house and helped pioneer the shuffling, scratchy house sound in the wake of Daft Punk's Homework (re: Needle Damage). This:



is probably one of the most entertaining studio mix sets ever released. And I hate studio mix sets. Go get/buy/download it now. I have my own thoughts on this competition, but quite frankly it's puzzled me for years why DJ Dan wasn't in the top 10 more often. He has the longevity, the history, the studiocraft and the professionalism to deserve to be there more than 90% of anyone else on that list. Know your history: He is a very VERY fun DJ. It seems that there is a stark anti-american bias in what is already a joke of an opinion poll. But more on that later.

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Originally posted by Ishkur it's puzzled me for years why DJ Dan wasn't in the top 10 more often.

...because outside the USA, the majority of people have never even heard of DJ Dan. I'm not talking about the internet geeks on here who seem to know every DJ, their discography and most memorable sets, I'm talking about the mass majority who until last years poll had never heard of him

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Originally posted by G-Con ...because outside the USA, the majority of people have never even heard of DJ Dan. I'm not talking about the internet geeks on here who seem to know every DJ, their discography and most memorable sets, I'm talking about the mass majority who until last years poll had never heard of him

tbh though his zipper tune made lots of MOS cd's and people who listen to them aren't exactly all underground are they

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Originally posted by Ian tbh though his zipper tune made lots of MOS cd's and people who listen to them aren't exactly all underground are they

doesn't make what I said any less true.

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Originally posted by G-Con ...because outside the USA, the majority of people have never even heard of DJ Dan.

But why is that?

I partly agree with you, but there's something else at stake here. Generally, North American electronic music fans are very cosmopolitan and cultured, and appreciate music from all genres, races, ethnicities, styles, flavours, and nations. They are really colorblind when they go to the club.

Europeans, on the other hand, have a very narrow and myopic view of electronic music and tend to dismiss or neglect anything that's not from their own dreary little rock.

This very popularity contest, in fact, run by a UK magazine, that found cause to expel non-european DJs under the auspices of ballot stuffing.

Please. Disqualifying DJs for vote tampering in the Top 100 contest is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

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Originally posted by RaPiD____EyE_k you're a joke.

The irony is, as always, astounding.

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Originally posted by darkdoze I'm sure a Dj, say like.. Markus Schultz probably knows everything that goes on his career cos he's at the B grade.

Markus Schulz on the "B grade"?

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Originally posted by woscar99 Markus Schulz on the "B grade"?

compared to dj dan no less

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Originally posted by Ishkur quite frankly it's puzzled me for years why DJ Dan wasn't in the top 10 more often. He has the longevity, the history, the studiocraft and the professionalism to deserve to be there more than 90% of anyone else on that list. Know your history: He is a very VERY fun DJ. It seems that there is a stark anti-american bias in what is already a joke of an opinion poll. But more on that later.

No and no...the one time I saw DJ Dan live I was waiting to get my money back. Don't care if he has status, longevity or whatever, it was embarassing to see him on the top 10!!!

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Originally posted by memusa No and no...the one time I saw DJ Dan live I was waiting to get my money back. Don't care if he has status, longevity or whatever, it was embarassing to see him on the top 10!!!

Yes, because you should always judge a DJ off of one single performance!

What kind of logic is that? Do you DJ? If you did you'd know that even if most of your sets are on point there will always be one set every now and then that goes bad. It's bullshit to write off a DJ based off of one set alone.

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Originally posted by Ishkur But why is that? I partly agree with you, but there's something else at stake here. Generally, North American electronic music fans are very cosmopolitan and cultured, and appreciate music from all genres, races, ethnicities, styles, flavours, and nations. They are really colorblind when they go to the club. Europeans, on the other hand, have a very narrow and myopic view of electronic music and tend to dismiss or neglect anything that's not from their own dreary little rock.

Its got nothing to do with him coming from America and not the UK or Europe. As far as I'm aware DJ Dan never Dj's over here in the UK (cant speak for Europe). He doesnt promote himself over here at all. He hasn't had some huge selling album to raise his profile over here so why on earth should any of us be expected to have heard of him? The fact that the rest of Europe has the same reaction makes me assume that he doesnt promote himself anywhere else either other than America

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Originally posted by G-Con Its got nothing to do with him coming from America and not the UK or Europe. As far as I'm aware DJ Dan never Dj's over here in the UK (cant speak for Europe). He doesnt promote himself over here at all. He hasn't had some huge selling album to raise his profile over here so why on earth should any of us be expected to have heard of him? The fact that the rest of Europe has the same reaction makes me assume that he doesnt promote himself anywhere else either other than America

your very post confirms that this poll is all about popularity.
So why care?

I couldn't care less about the poll, never have, never will. Ishkur said he was puzzled why DJ Dan wasnt in the top 10 more often, I said cause no one has heard of him outside the US, he says because Europeans are narrow minded etc, I'm putting him straight.

DJ Dan actually played at several venues in Europe in the end of 90s and beginning of 00. He played at Sensation 2000 for instance. But yeah, he is not as known as many other american djs.

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Originally posted by G-Con Its got nothing to do with him coming from America and not the UK or Europe. As far as I'm aware DJ Dan never Dj's over here in the UK (cant speak for Europe). He doesnt promote himself over here at all. He hasn't had some huge selling album to raise his profile over here so why on earth should any of us be expected to have heard of him?

Because that's what you do as a fucking music fan, you GO OUT AND SEEK NEW FUCKING MUSIC, you nonce. You don't wait for it to be handed to you on a silver platter--only going to see DJs with the most ridiculously gaudy font on the flyer. Get the fuck out there, go exploring, go digging, go surfing and searching. Music appreciation is an adventure, not a consumer commodity. Jesus christ, you have the greatest communications medium in the history of mankind at your fingertips. You have no excuses anymore.

Music isn't about being a docile twit ready to devour whatever wheel barrel full of bullshit comes out largest and loudest from Black Hole or Vandit, it's about the nooks and crannies, the underculture, the little gems in the back of the record stores, the fly-by-night parties that require checkpoints and infolines, the word-of-mouth and the global reach of the internet to find out what interesting things have been cropping up in other lands.

You and this poll are what's wrong with music. You've thrown your arms in the air and given up, deciding to be a passive sponge, accepting only whatever comes out the asscracks of bloated superclubs, glossy magazines, and bland, commercial uniformity and tasteless corporate idolatry.

Besides, your excuse is hardly acceptable when half the DJs on the roster don't do those things in America, yet we still know of them and listen to them. Why? Because we make the effort to find out what's going on, unlike you lazy oafs. Music should never come to you. You must go to it. Put down the MoS comp, turn off your tele, and head to your local record store. Try to find something by someone NOT on the top 100 list.

Well done Ishkur for missing my point completely. It makes no difference that anybody COULD discover DJ Dan or whoever if they really wanted to by using the internet. The fact is the vast majority of people don't search the internet looking for new DJs/producers. Most people's knowledge of whats out there is accumulated by going out clubbing in their own country, buying music magazines etc...and whats wrong with that?

So there is no reason why anybody should expect the masses to know who DJ Dan is. Many of us know who Christopher Lawrence is. He has a few mix cds to his name that were promoted well over here. He has also appeared at a few big events so his name becomes recognised, word of mouth spreads and many people know who he is. The same cant be said for DJ Dan.

You say that half the roster doesnt do anything in America yet Americans still know who they are and listen to them. Bollocks. Name me some
DJ's on the roster who dont produce (productions can get your name known anywhere even if you've never been there), have never promoted themselves in America and yet the American dance music masses still know and listen to?

all of them.

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Originally posted by RaPiD____EyE_k nice oh well as long as mikey mike doesn't make it, it's all good

+1

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Originally posted by Ishkur It seems that there is a stark anti-american bias

Oh shut the fuck up with that crap already. Your guide is full of it as it is.

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