Your Favorite Basslines / The Fight Against Oompa-itis

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Posted by thoughtlessjex on May-31-2006 01:59:

quote:
Originally posted by daeus
I've been having problems even creating/finding a decent *quality* sounding bass line for reason, does anyone have any good settings or at least a site which has some nice starters?

I don't know why people have trouble with this. All of my best basslines have been overdriven saw waves with some kind of filter effect. Maybe add a flanger. Basses are not rocket science, IMO.

Well, there's been the occasional squarewave bassline, but there's not much more to them.

Posted by Four_On_Four-er on Jun-01-2006 18:26:

It's easy to bang on a saw-wave, but alot of basslines are BOTH the pattern fitting the sound, or vise versa.

Alot of bassline patch problems I've had are because people can't seem to get past the "Kick - Bass - Kick - Bass... " blah....

Now I've never used Reason, but I reckon that bold experimentation is both regards can help alot.

Posted by thoughtlessjex on Jun-01-2006 19:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Four_On_Four-er
It's easy to bang on a saw-wave, but alot of basslines are BOTH the pattern fitting the sound, or vise versa.

Alot of bassline patch problems I've had are because people can't seem to get past the "Kick - Bass - Kick - Bass... " blah....

Now I've never used Reason, but I reckon that bold experimentation is both regards can help alot.

Very true, but I've found that for each instance, the bass itself is fundamentally a saw wave. The only thing that's different is the tweaking.

Posted by Frost-RAVEN on Jun-01-2006 23:15:

The subtracktor is good for bassline. Open one up, and bring down its ocatvve to 2. Lower the freq filter so it is not as harmonicy. Add a scream and set it to tube and turn down the damgae a bit, then boost the lows.

Should be a good bassline, and maybe ad a touch of ping pong delay. Make sure the delay is eqed.

Posted by daeus on Jun-12-2006 01:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Frost-RAVEN
The subtracktor is good for bassline. Open one up, and bring down its ocatvve to 2. Lower the freq filter so it is not as harmonicy. Add a scream and set it to tube and turn down the damgae a bit, then boost the lows.

Should be a good bassline, and maybe ad a touch of ping pong delay. Make sure the delay is eqed.

Hm not bad, it seems to create quite a "pingy/notey" sound instead of a deep runbling bassline.

dj_palm might have a point about reason not being capable of such deep sounds - im looking in to a rewire with cubase and VSTi solution to solve this + the fact it will expand my "sound bank" of course.

EDIT: Ok im finding some nice sounds now by playing around with scream / delay / flanger

Posted by Dj Cola on Jun-12-2006 16:31:

ive got 2 basslines that might have been posted allready;

Kick:
|X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |
Bass:
| |y|Y|y| |y|Y|y| |Y|y|y| |y|Y|y|

Kick:
|X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |
Bass:
| |y|y|Y| |y|y|Y| |y|Y|y| |y|y|Y|

And this ones for psy:
Kick:
|X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |X| | | |
Bass:
| |y|y|y| |y|y|y| |y|y|y| |y|y|Y| |y|y|y| |y|y|y| |y|y|y| |y|Y|Y|

In the normal basslines big Y stands for one octave higher and a lil y means ofc a lower octave than big y's and presumably the original key for your bassline.

in the psy ones big y's is an increase of just a pair of semitones, just enough so it sounds good.

these basslines are mediocre and just variations of the normal rolling basslines of both trance and psy.

Posted by daeus on Jun-12-2006 17:35:

After spending part of the day taking the tips posted on here ive finally come up with something im happy with - in reason.

Unknown Bassline

The tunes doing well as a whole now so should be ready soon - stay tuned! :P

Posted by Abhay on Jun-18-2006 19:00:

Hi guys,

I'm completely new here to production section, and i don't know thing about production.

However, i've been reading a few threads here and there, and I just thought there's one trance track which really brings home to me the importance of the variation that basslines give to music.

Paco Lessoto - Le Mirage.

I dunno if u people have heard that track. I love it. BUt after reading this thread, i realised that the only thing that gives that track substance is it's bassline. If that was more static, the track would be the same thing over and over really and wouldn't give me the feel it does. (i still love the track).

ANyways, just letting you guys know.

Keep up the awesome work, and keep sharing with one another.

Posted by Takkra on Jun-23-2006 22:08:

I never really seem to have any trouble coming up with basslines.
here's something I do when I really REALLY can't think of an original line:
i make a complicated breakbeat, then I remove the kick and the clap, and all instruments that remain, I just put on the C4 note, I copy the notes and past them in a bass synth ..
try things you'd think they really shit.. they might even sound nice after a bit of tweaking.. take this for example..

K---K---K---K---K---K---K---K---]:......(kick)
-*-*--888--*--*00-888-*--*-*--00]:......(bass)

*= 1/4 bassnote
00=2/4 bassnote
888= 3/4 bassnote

and put a friggin lot of distortion on them !! and a phaz0r on the mids and highs.. and nah nevermind just dont do th�t

anyway you should also experiment with changes in drive with longer and shorter bassnotes..!

hope I could add something to this thread

Posted by LENG on Jun-24-2006 00:38:

can u guys post sample clips on the sequences?

Posted by Dj Cola on Jun-24-2006 10:06:

Bassline 1
Bassline 2
Psy Bassline

i know they sound like shit but they still illustrate the sequence...

Posted by Takkra on Jun-24-2006 19:13:

well ofcourse you could also play with the attack and decay/sustain of the bass gives a certain drive.
For example here is the bassline I used in my track Flat & Simple.

K---K---K---K---K---K---K---K---...(kick)
-B-bbbB---BB-B-B--bbb-BB--B--B-B...(bass)

B= 1/4 note
bbb= 3/4 note

bassline flat & simple

hope this drives you all nuts

Posted by David Adams on Jun-25-2006 01:43:

I added a ping delay to the bass line to come up with something cool (at least I think it's cool :toocool. The ping delay on the bass was tempo sync'd (left channel at 1/2 and right channel at 1/4 with some feedback).

K---K---K---K---K---K---K---K--- (Kick)
-b----b----b---B-b----b----b---B (Bass)

The bass line is migrating from left to right getting further and further away from the kick (for the first three measures).

It sounds horrible with out the ping delay

Here is it's sample:

CLICK: Migrating Bass Line.mp3

Edit: I just wanted to say this is one awesome forum and thread for that matter!

Posted by PutBoy on Jun-26-2006 10:09:

Love ping delays... ;P

Posted by Dj Cola on Jun-26-2006 19:05:

dj palm i liked your first bassline, that would definatly make me dance .
percs are fat but the snare is weird to me but what the hell, this is a bass thread ;P.
i dont really like your second bassline, dunno why.

Posted by PutBoy on Jun-26-2006 19:28:

Anyone heard Steve Angello - The End? That bassline is wicked:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2967/S...28Sample%29.mp3

Entire tune is awesome too, prolly my favourite. A real masterpiece, and a guide to how a track is supposed to sound.

Another favourite bass line is Fedde Le Grand - Las Vegas...

Anyways. Creating a trance running bassline is the easiest thing in the world imo. A layer of basslines is also easy. All you really do is something like this (don't think; do):

K---S---K---S---K---S---K---S---
--xx--xx--xx--xx--xx--xx--xx-xxx
-X-X--XX-X-X-XXX-X-X--XX-X-X-XXX
--Z--Z-Z--Z--Z-Z--Z--Z-Z--Z-Z---

x is the sub bass.
X is the mid bass.
Z is a mid bass too, but with some stereodelay on it.

I just made this up. Could someone try out if it's any good?

Posted by movingincircles on Jun-26-2006 21:58:

second sun and gabriel and dresden have their thing with snares and high hats

Posted by PutBoy on Jun-26-2006 23:28:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_palm
second track was a psy attempt

haha ;P only comment needed, I understand you completely ;P

Posted by Synchronicity on Jun-27-2006 01:30:

http://www.audiopioneers.net/forum/...267&postcount=4

^^^ Great tips on bass synthesis/layering etc. by Goldenscan.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&highlight=bass

^^^ Interesting discussion on mixing bass/kick frequencies.

Posted by lenieNt Force on Aug-06-2007 07:33:

(Nah.. I wont let this thread die....)

How about basslines like the one in Nic Chagall - What You Need (Hard Dub Reedit). That truly is some super duper hardcore asskicking motherfucking wicked bassline!! If you haven't heard that track, for the sake of heaven and earth... you better go get it right away!!

Question is... How do you create such an ingenious sick bassline?

Does anyone on this forum have a clue?

Posted by lenieNt Force on Aug-06-2007 11:36:

Say what? U cant just make a random melody to copy that bass........ Its not just playing around with the arp and adding some sidechain and ur done.......... Cant you hear that extremely phat sound he gets? What kinda waves? What would the bass pattern look like in a piano roll?

Posted by lenieNt Force on Aug-06-2007 15:30:

Nic Chagall - What You Need (Hard Dub Reedit) SAMPLE

Now THAT... is what i call bass.

Posted by Eldritch on Aug-06-2007 19:23:

I don't think it's that great to be honest.
Aalto - 5 (Original Mix), now that's a cool bassline in my opinion.

Sample here:
http://www.audiojelly.com/details.cfm?id=27274

Posted by lenieNt Force on Aug-06-2007 20:14:

Nic Chagall is actually Claus Terhoeven from Cosmic Gate going solo, and What You Need is definately a massive track... If you disagree, please go fornicate youreself with an iron stick or sumthin

I wish I were able to recreate that bass sound... Pleeeeease... Im on a dedicated trance forum... Any geeks have any ideas? How to go about it??

Posted by cronodevir on Aug-07-2007 01:43:

Oh my god, did people actually think kbkb was the ONLY bassline? god damn! And i thought i was an amature.

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