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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy CNN just called it for Clinton, who's up by about 20,000 votes now with most of Lake County in. Real overwhelming victory for her, coming out a whole 1, maybe 2 delegates ahead out of this deal. Can she leave now? BTW, why is no one really talking about the ass kicking that she received in North Carolina?

What channel are you watching? It's the talk of the nation.

MSNBC's question of the night for pundits was to predict when the dropout speech will be. Olbermann got his hands on a Clinton fundraising email that went out this email... that somehow neglected to actually ask for money. The campaign's broke, they under-performed by a wide margin in both NC and IN, and Obama only needs 38 more pledged delegates to receive a majority on May 20 in Oregon.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov What channel are you watching? It's the talk of the nation.

CNN was really only talking about Indiana all night, at least when I was flipping in and out. MSNBC should go to HD as well.

They were beating up on her pretty bad, though. Donna Brazile got into it with Paul Begala and with Lanny Davis over the Michigan/Florida thing. Jeff Toobin, the legal analyst, couldn't have been more blunt with how much of a waste of time he thinks this is anymore.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy CNN was really only talking about Indiana all night, at least when I was flipping in and out. MSNBC should go to HD as well. They were beating up on her pretty bad, though. Donna Brazile got into it with Paul Begala and with Lanny Davis over the Michigan/Florida thing. Jeff Toobin, the legal analyst, couldn't have been more blunt with how much of a waste of time he thinks this is anymore.

Ugh, the analysts themselves are the problem. Toobin and Brazile are alright, but Lanny Davis is a known idiot and Paul Begala is a known Clinton supporter.

And Jer - you're forgetting the delegates won by John Edwards.

Lol. I still find it humorous that she had the audacity to suggest that Obama might consider being her running mate. Just leave already. Nobody likes you. Queue the latest FAIL pic.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Ugh, the analysts themselves are the problem. Toobin and Brazile are alright, but Lanny Davis is a known idiot and Paul Begala is a known Clinton supporter. And Jer - you're forgetting the delegates won by John Edwards.

Oh, I agree with you on Lanny Davis. He was in top form last night, probably because he realizes that he's going on vacation soon.

CNN has a few analysts who really make my blood boil. To be honest, none of the networks really impress me, though the papers and magazines have been getting worse than them lately. They're all too worried about looking balanced and as a result, find a bunch of people who are biased from all sides. It ends up looking like a fight between all different species of predators (think lions, cobras, eagles, etc. all in one cage).

Anyhow, the TV was on MSNBC from last night's coverage and when I turned it on, I just heard Scarborough say that it's being reported that Hillary lent her campaign $6.4 million last month. Usually she's been earning that money back after wins like in PA, but it's not happening this time around. I hope that she sits down afterwards and realizes what a waste of money that was, but instead, she'll probably just drag this out long enough to squeeze it out of supporters.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov /thread. /primary.

She won Indiana so she won't be dropping out, what she will do is hang around long enough to hose Obama.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov And Jer - you're forgetting the delegates won by John Edwards.

Yeah, nevermind, i just rechecked the cnn election center and they didn't update the delegate counts correctly last night. i have no idea what they are doing on that website.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Ugh, the analysts themselves are the problem. Toobin and Brazile are alright, but Lanny Davis is a known idiot and Paul Begala is a known Clinton supporter. And Jer - you're forgetting the delegates won by John Edwards.

And Brazile isn't a known Obama supporter? lol While I am coming closer to agreement that maybe it's time to leave, the above statement just shows the ridiculousness of "analysts" and the idea of them. If they're saying what you want to hear, they're alright. If they give any inkling of disagreement, they're Clinton supporters.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov http://dailykos.com/ /thread. /primary.

The people at Kos sound like overexcited and whiney college boys with Hope and Change tattooed on each asscheek. While I am totally open to reading opinions that differ from mine, that entire website annoys me. Replace the word "Obama" with "Lindsay Lohan" and "delegates" with "gossip" and it looks like a god-damn Perez Hilton page. I've never seen a bigger bunch of fanboys.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco The people at Kos sound like overexcited and whiney college boys with Hope and Change tattooed on each asscheek. While I am totally open to reading opinions that differ from mine, that entire website annoys me. Replace the word "Obama" with "Lindsay Lohan" and "delegates" with "gossip" and it looks like a god-damn Perez Hilton page. I've never seen a bigger bunch of fanboys.

haha....i love the comparison.

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Originally posted by Shakka Queue the latest FAIL pic.

It's sad to see her going down in "bitter" flames and possibly taking the Democratic party's chances of president with her.

From what I've seen, to just tie Obama at this point, she'd have to win each remaining state by a 10% margin and get 75% of the super delegates...both of which are virtually impossible. She may be past the point of a graceful exit, but she's now writing herself a horrific history that may become what she is most remembered for.

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McGovern, former Clinton backer, urges her to drop out By DENNIS GALE � 2 hours ago SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) � Former Sen. George McGovern, who backed Hillary Rodham Clinton, is urging her to drop out of the Democratic presidential race. McGovern said Wednesday he has decided to endorse Barack Obama. After watching the returns from the North Carolina and Indiana primaries Tuesday night, McGovern says it's virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination. McGovern says he is calling former President Clinton to tell him of the decision and adds that he remains close friends with the Clintons. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5...nwaa5AD90GS75G0

then

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Hillary Clinton's struggle to keep her campaign alive is being made tougher by a drying up of donors, forcing her to lend herself $6.4m (�3.2m). Her poor showing in Tuesday's primaries - losing badly in North Carolina and winning narrowly in Indiana - will make it even harder to attract donors for what many will regard as a doomed campaign. She has been unable to compete with rival Barack Obama in terms of funding since last year and had to lend her campaign $5m in February. Although her campaign team claimed she raised $10m in 24 hours after winning Pennsylvania last month - sceptics are waiting to see the accounts - her campaign has been running with large debts. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...08.barackobama1

She is not leaving anytime soon and by doing so..... will destroy any hope of getting out of this current state this country is in....

my name is lazfx and I approve this message.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco The people at Kos sound like overexcited and whiney college boys with Hope and Change tattooed on each asscheek. While I am totally open to reading opinions that differ from mine, that entire website annoys me. Replace the word "Obama" with "Lindsay Lohan" and "delegates" with "gossip" and it looks like a god-damn Perez Hilton page. I've never seen a bigger bunch of fanboys.

Replace "Obama" with "Clinton" and it's what they were writing two months ago.

hillary clinton: the psycho ex-girlfriend of the democratic party

hillary clinton: the psycho ex-girlfriend of the democratic party

As many of you know, I'm an enthusiastic Barack Obama supporter. I have never been so excited or inspired by a candidate -- or, really, any leader -- in my life, and I view this election as an historical opportunity -- maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity -- to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

Knowing all of that, I'm sure it will come as no surprise that over the last 10 weeks or so, I've gone from respecting to feeling sorry for to actively despising Hillary Clinton.

It's over. She knows it's over. It's been over for almost three months, but she's been moving the goalposts and cynically and cravenly pandering to voters in a way that's not only insulting, but is embarrassing. John Cole frequently says that he can't believe he ever supported Bush, and I can now join him in saying that I can't believe I ever supported, defended and believed in the Clintons.

The thing about all of this is that, with a Clinton victory in the primary about as likely as jumping off the roof of your house and landing on the moon, it's become clear that this whole thing isn't about Democrats or beating McCain (who is inexplicably running for Bush's third term) or saving our country from the catastrophic failure of the Bush years. No, it's all about her. It's about her ego. It's about refusing to admit that she did her best, but voters (except those encouraged by Rush Limbaugh to cross party lines and fuck with our primary) have pretty clearly said "No thanks. You're a good senator, but we want something different now."

It's been crystal clear for weeks, yet she refuses to put party and country over personal ambition and drop out of the race, forcing Barack Obama to not only run against McCain and the Media, but also against her. It's particularly galling, because she can only win if her campaign can force Democratic superdelegates (one of the worst creations in the history of politics) to tell millions of Democratic voters -- many of them first time voters who, like me, finally feel truly inspired by someone -- to go fuck themselves.

It's driving me crazy, and I hope that someone sits her down with a calculator so she'll make this primary that is just strengthening McCain -- who, I feel obligated to point out again, is running for Bush's third term. That would be George W. Bush, the most universally hated president in American history.

At times like these, when it would be easy to despair, I find comfort in humor, like this post I saw on Reddit this morning: Hillary Clinton: The Psycho Ex-Girlfriend of the Democratic Party.

It's 2:31 AM. The Democratic Party is sleeping peacefully when it hears its phone buzz on the night stand. It rolls over and sees "Hillary" on the caller ID. It pauses briefly, considering pushing "END" and not dealing with this shit tonight. The thought is appealing but the Democratic Party knows that if it doesn't take this call, another one is only minutes away.

DEMS: ...Hello?

Hillary: Hey baby.

DEMS: C'mon Hillary. Enough with this.

Hillary: Don't you get it? You NEED me.

DEMS: No, I don't. It was fun while it lasted but I'm with Barack now. I made my choice, it's done.

Hillary: You can't really mean that. How can you say that after all the good times we had?

DEMS: To be honest, I started hanging out with you because Bill's pretty awesome.

Hillary: But I'm just like Bill!

DEMS: No, you're not. Bill is charismatic, inspiring, and gets me really good weed.

Hillary: Fuck you. You're elitist!

DEMS: I'm going back to sleep.

I hope that, after the crushing defeat in North Carolina and few thousand vote "victory" in Indiana, the undeclared superdelegates (again, the absolute worst idea in the history of politics) will respect the will of the people and commit to Obama, so we can all focus on introducing the real John McCain -- not a Maverick, not a nice guy, not an honest guy, not a regular guy, not substantially different from George W. Bush in any meaningful way -- to the American people.

And allow me to just head something off right now that's already come up on Twitter: I'm not sexist. This isn't sexist. That's a stupid straw man, and if you try to make that claim, I will point and laugh at you.

http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnb...ry-clinton.html

McCain isn't going to win.
We have been giving the world 'bad cop' president for almost longer than they are willing to take, so now it is time for a 'good cop' president to come into the room and ease the fears of the world. But if you think there will be any fundamental changes from this you are sadly mistaken and quite full of hot air.

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Originally posted by LazFX No, it's all about her. It's about her ego. It's about refusing to admit that she did her best, but voters (except those encouraged by Rush Limbaugh to cross party lines and fuck with our primary) have pretty clearly said "No thanks. You're a good senator, but we want something different now."

stfu already! the primary and election are really just an interview for a really prestigious job. if you wanted, and had a chance, even a remote chance, at getting the job you wanted more than anything, wouldn't you continue until someone said NO with absolute certainty? If you say no, you're full of shit. Just because this is a presidency doesn't mean hillary should stop thinking about what she wants. I don't know what's up with you people and the party. fuck the party! our party system is flawed and actually makes it more difficult for qualified people to become politicians because they don't want to deal with the bureaucratic bullshit inherent in the party system. On top of that, hillary doesn't owe any duty to dissenters like yourself.

Of course it's ego driven. for every single candidate it is ego driven. if you think obama isn't doing this because he wants to be president for his personal reasons your naive to the n(th) degree.

while i don't think she should continue you people need to stop bitching. it isn't all about a party. if obama can't win in the general election despite hillary dragging this out then obama isn't the better candidate. if obama has dirt that is getting out b/c of hillary, it will surely get out by way of McCain. If people are pursuaded not to vote obama because of this, then (i) obama has flaws, or (ii) they probably weren't going to support him anyway. while he will be my choice also, unfortunately, 200+ million other people also have a say.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 if obama has dirt that is getting out b/c of hillary, it will surely get out by way of McCain.

Then let McCain pay for it with his meager funds. He has huge fund-raising problems and Hillary is handing him free pass after free pass. Christ on a bike, there's a thing called reality, and Mitt Romney is now officially a more permanent resident in it than Hillary Clinton. If she were staying in the race to influence the discourse of the race, that would be one thing. But it's an exercise in vanity and it was ok for awhile but it is really obnoxious now. The only reason Obama hasn't already sealed it (her main argument about his electability) is that the primaries are too spread out. You do know that John McCain didn't "seal" up the nomination until March, right? Like more than a month after Mitt Romney and company dropped out of the race? But I suppose you think he should have labored on as well.

Mitt Romney looks so great by comparison to Hillary. He was gracious in defeat and didn't tear his party apart by fighting past the point where competition was realistic. Now he could easily run again with full party support. You think Hillary can still do that? You're crazy.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 stfu already!

hey bud, FUCK YOU !!!! If you were right, then why can't Hilliary finish Obama off......

Fuck you and your bitch candidate..... why the fuck would I want someone that can't even keep her own husband happy?? why would I want someone that will allow herself to become a laughing stock due to her inability to keep her own house in order???

so no sir, you STFU and DIAF and also FOAD!!!

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Originally posted by LazFX hey bud, FUCK YOU !!!! If you were right, then why can't Hilliary finish Obama off...... Fuck you and your bitch candidate..... why the fuck would I want someone that can't even keep her own husband happy?? why would I want someone that will allow herself to become a laughing stock due to her inability to keep her own house in order??? so no sir, you STFU and DIAF and also FOAD!!!

Did you just catch something from me Laz?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Did you just catch something from me Laz?

ha ha ha

must be the air down here in Austin ..

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Originally posted by LazFX ha ha ha must be the air down here in Austin ..

Yeah, kinda like Raccoon City .

It's that damn fake hippie air you're breathing. It makes me want to smash things too.

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Originally posted by Zild It's that damn fake hippie air you're breathing. It makes me want to smash things too.

Heh, at least we're not breathing San Antonio's 'gangsta' air .

It's good for you though... builds character.

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