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Posted by smekzg on Mar-01-2009 00:49:

because of marketing [/evil_shameless_bump]

Posted by woscar on Mar-01-2009 01:11:

The reason is very simple. He sucks. In this world of people with no taste, the more you suck, the more people are gonna like you.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Mar-01-2009 02:09:

i think its easy.

eventho he suck at mixing he makes a good party. most people dont care about transitions and most people dont care about keeping it real. and he plays tracks that are memoriable. its all about tracks that can be whistled on your way home from party.

Posted by Dj Minaya on Mar-01-2009 08:16:

I still listen to his Sensation 2000 set which is one of my favorite sets from him or any DJ really.

I ended up seeing him for the first time at the TIC in LA,

That was around the time he just switched over fully to CDJ's. I remember that being a really hard time to even listen to a Tiesto mix. His Essential Mix in 2004 was it? Was just awful. Plain awful.

Went and saw him again at his Elements of Life Tour again in LA and enjoyed it a bit more than TIC but I really hate massives and I still hope to see him in a club setting but even that seems impossible given the amount of people that flood those places when he plays.

I think back around when he was climbing up the list towards number 1 he was working with much better engineers and producers than he is today and I always considered him a much better mixer with vinyl than with CDJ's although he has gotten much better since that Essential Mix.

Given the chance though I would love to see him at a club if he performed a 6 hour set because I would love to see what he could do given the time and intimate setting.

By the way someone post up that Essential Mix if you have it because I still can't believe they even let that shit play honestly

Posted by Trance-M on Mar-01-2009 10:35:

Hmmm, I guess there is more. Why are Armin and Ferry also popular?
In the 90's there also was Eurodance with 2Unlimited, Twenty-4-Seven and all the others and Happy Hardcore with Charly Lownoise and Mental Theo, Party Animals etc. Around 2000 all those stopped or at least weren't that popular any more, which gave DJ's like Tiesto, Armin, Ferry the opportunity to take advantage of the situation. Stupid if the hadn't by the way at the moment many big fishes left the pool.
At the same time Trance got more popular so IMO they were there at the right time.
Probably it also has to do that they are Dutch and because it's only a tiny country, the focus abroad is huge. Always has been, as you probably all know.

Posted by Chimney on Mar-01-2009 10:57:

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Originally posted by Trance-MB

Probably it also has to do that they are Dutch and because it's only a tiny country, the focus abroad is huge. Always has been, as you probably all know.

Oh yea, it's because they are dutch. What does it matter? Why not Moldavia, it's a small country also.

It was because these guys know how to market themselves correctly. Tiesto and Armin are no DJs no more, they are brands. The poster you see of them is like seeing a product. When going to one of their shows you know you'll not only get the cheese music (which by the way is all about promoting themselves and their labels....how many times do you see any of these DJs drop one of their old tracks often?) so when you go to a show, you know you're gettin the lights, the "amazing" soundsytem et cetera. Did Tijs ever play that "Fuck me right" track? If not, you can ask yourselves why.

Tijs & Armin are good business-men. Also they have elite teams behind them that know how to promote them in any directions such as concerts, cloting and other types of merchandize, posters, music etc.

Posted by MichaelBoogerd! on Mar-01-2009 18:14:

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Originally posted by Dj Minaya
I think back around when he was climbing up the list towards number 1 he was working with much better engineers and producers

Err, what.

No they are still the same people today as back then. If you're meaning that In My Memory sounded decent compared to the rest, you better thank Junkie XL for his contributions The rest of the team is intact.

Good point about the vinyl DJ though - his transition to CDJ's certainly wasn't smooth - and its still noticeably different in terms of a smooth ride sometimes.

Chimney hit nail on head - these guys status come from hard work away from the decks promoting their image & brand.

Posted by Dj Minaya on Mar-01-2009 18:37:

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
Err, what.

No they are still the same people today as back then. If you're meaning that In My Memory sounded decent compared to the rest, you better thank Junkie XL for his contributions The rest of the team is intact.

Good point about the vinyl DJ though - his transition to CDJ's certainly wasn't smooth - and its still noticeably different in terms of a smooth ride sometimes.

Chimney hit nail on head - these guys status come from hard work away from the decks promoting their image & brand.

I barely keep up with who's producing alongside him these days. I know Geert is still around but are Cor and Van Gelderen adding much these days to his work?

Some of my favorite songs that involved Tijs seemed to always be collaborations not surprisingly.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Mar-01-2009 18:40:

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
If you're meaning that In My Memory sounded decent compared to the rest, you better thank Junkie XL for his contributions

Erm... JXL only did Obsession.

Posted by Trance-M on Mar-01-2009 19:57:

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Originally posted by Chimney
Oh yea, it's because they are dutch. What does it matter? Why not Moldavia, it's a small country also.

It was because these guys know how to market themselves correctly.....
Tijs & Armin are good business-men. Also they have elite teams behind them that know how to promote them in any directions such as concerts, cloting and other types of merchandize, posters, music etc.

It does matter. Being small, at the sea, close to England, Germany and France, which all have a different languages forced the Dutch to develop some skills.
How do you think Tiesto and Armin know how to market themselves correctly? That's something the Dutch industry developed over many, many years. Ever wondered how come (in general) Dutch people are so good at languages?

I don't think Tiesto, Armin and Ferry are such a good business men, the men, better the industry behind them are.
I try to have an objective view at this, which is difficult because I wasn't born 10km to the west (Belgium) or to the east (Germany).

Posted by noikeee on Mar-01-2009 20:18:

Yes, Tiesto became big because the dutch speak many languages. Makes perfect sense.

It's pretty simple really. Electronic music used to develop itself in local scenes. Detroit techno. Chicago house. Dutch trance. The latter is the most marketable because of the music itself.

Posted by Chimney on Mar-01-2009 20:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
It does matter. Being small, at the sea, close to England, Germany and France, which all have a different languages forced the Dutch to develop some skills.
How do you think Tiesto and Armin know how to market themselves correctly? That's something the Dutch industry developed over many, many years. Ever wondered how come (in general) Dutch people are so good at languages?

I don't think Tiesto, Armin and Ferry are such a good business men, the men, better the industry behind them are.
I try to have an objective view at this, which is difficult because I wasn't born 10km to the west (Belgium) or to the east (Germany).

Posted by Trance-M on Mar-01-2009 20:27:

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Originally posted by noikeee
Yes, Tiesto became big because the dutch speak many languages. Makes perfect sense.

It's pretty simple really. Electronic music used to develop itself in local scenes. Detroit techno. Chicago house. Dutch trance. The latter is the most marketable because of the music itself.

Dutch trance doesn't exist, and you guys are picking one item where it's all factors together which matter.

And it's the answer to the question which has to do why Tiesto got so big. It's not simple at all.

Posted by Chimney on Mar-01-2009 20:29:

Posted by Trance-M on Mar-01-2009 20:39:

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Originally posted by Chimney
Talent defined by geographical positioning & language abilities. Right?

Come on, like I suggested that talent is affected by that, although influences in early childhood seem to have lately. Views on talent are changing.

You guys are twisting words.

Posted by RebeL9 on Mar-01-2009 20:53:

Posted by Zak McKracken on Mar-01-2009 21:11:

as far as i know the last place they where popular was at home. they all got their fame in norway first, during hyperstate era which was some of the first 8000 people indoor multi-artist/dj events for dance/electronica without being a concert. slightly after amsterdam and london copied that style of arranging parties and it came natural putting up people as tiesto and ferry here as headliners beacuse they where the first ones doing this kind of anthem -trance parties in norway, they had the experience and the right records at the moment. then the whole scene went to hell and im out of here. bye.

Posted by Trance-M on Mar-01-2009 21:12:

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Originally posted by RebeL9
oh yeah now I get it. That's why ABBA are so big in UK. They developed some super english skills to become forever popular there. And those blonde hairstyles also helped! Crazy Swedes!

Please ten more examples except Volvo, Ericsson and Kn�ckebr�d.....

Posted by adi_hanson on Mar-01-2009 21:27:

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Originally posted by Trance-MB
Dutch trance doesn't exist

Noooooooooooooo , your telling me that supersaw didnt exist!

p.s maybe people like full on anthem goose pimpling trance instead of wanting to listen to endless minutes of beats and percs just to be different and *cool*.
I see tiesto fans as BMW drivers , every ****** hates them but really you want to be one yourself.But unfortunatly you drive a clapped out banger which makes you different.

I aint no tiesto fanboy but his shows are always the best for some reason.In fact i think carpe noctum is the worst EDM track of all time.
Maybe its the money who knows?

Posted by noikeee on Mar-01-2009 21:30:

Yes, I secretly wish I was a Tiesto fan. If only I had the money.

Great analogy.

Posted by adi_hanson on Mar-01-2009 21:36:

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Originally posted by noikeee
Yes, I secretly wish I was Tiesto. If only I had the money to put on the great shows that gain him such popularity.

Great analogy.

what i mean ,fixed!

Posted by noikeee on Mar-01-2009 21:41:

I wouldn't mind being Tiesto, but I'd rather be a dj that does his gigs on more intimate venues and does not rape his own ears playing clown trance.

Posted by adi_hanson on Mar-01-2009 21:45:

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Originally posted by noikeee
I wouldn't mind being Tiesto, but I'd rather be a dj that does his gigs on more intimate venues and does not rape his own ears playing clown trance.

thats his downfall , great set , but like you said , he includes/produces clown trance , including anything from richard durant.Thats probably where money corrupts things.

Posted by icecooper on Mar-02-2009 19:43:

Tiesto is so big, because he is too small to create a music of his oone, he cannot create a normal music anymore, he just jumps thru the styles to fit in there

Posted by Trance-M on Mar-02-2009 19:57:

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Originally posted by icecooper
Tiesto is so big, because he is too small to create a music of his oone, he cannot create a normal music anymore, he just jumps thru the styles to fit in there

What's normal? Does he want to make music of his own? Does he care at all? Should he care at all?

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