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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Bands and DJs are two very different things....if anything bands are more like producers....you go to see the band and their music. DJs are more like the cover bands out there and I don't know many cover bands that sell out a club like Guv. If anything....we should be praising the producers more and the DJs less.

Good djs still provide an original musical output and in essence "produce". As long as they aren't just playing one track after another, but MIXING and providing something original, then I'd consider them producers in a sense. But yeah, I agree with you mostly

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced when you really think about it....EDM is really the only music where people go to see the DJ. You don't see many people going to the country bar because DJ Redneck is spinning. We really are an ass backwards group of people.

What about all the band groupies? Or the Hip Hop artist groupies?

They must be even more backwards.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced when you really think about it....EDM is really the only music where people go to see the DJ. You don't see many people going to the country bar because DJ Redneck is spinning. We really are an ass backwards group of people.

No, when you really think about it, you realize that that's not true.

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Originally posted by Skipper No, when you really think about it, you realize that that's not true.

what other type of music do people listen to where they go to the club/bar to see a particular DJ?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced what other type of music do people listen to where they go to the club/bar to see a particular DJ?

I dunno, ALL OF HIP HOP...Scratch DJs...

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Originally posted by Skipper I dunno, ALL OF HIP HOP...Scratch DJs...

scratch DJs, yes. Hip hop? Hmmmm...

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Originally posted by Yohan scratch DJs, yes. Hip hop? Hmmmm...

Hello, the Roots? I don't mean crappy top 40 hip hop.
Major hip hop acts bring crowds that fill footwork multiple times over...

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Originally posted by Yohan Hip hop? Hmmmm...

Jazz Jeff
Premiere

do those two count?

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Originally posted by Skipper I dunno, ALL OF HIP HOP...Scratch DJs...

as much as most people hate to admit it Hip Hop is another form of Electronic Music.

How often do you see bars bringing in international Rock DJs or Country DJs? You don't see it because the people going to those bars are going there for rock music or country music....they are not going there because some famous DJ will be spinning songs from other people.

Electronic music focuses too much on the DJ compared to other types of music.

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Originally posted by Skipper Major hip hop acts bring crowds that fill footwork multiple times over...

are you talking about Hip Hop Artists or Hip Hop DJs....to me there is a huge difference between the two.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Electronic music focuses too much on the DJ compared to other types of music.

Wha? The DJ is the equivalent of the band or of the singer. It's totally reasonable that people go for him/her.

People go to see/hear the person behind the music, whether it's a DJ or a person behind the mike or the drums or whatever.

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Originally posted by Skipper Wha? The DJ is the equivalent of the band or of the singer. It's totally reasonable that people go for him/her. People go to see/hear the person behind the music, whether it's a DJ or a person behind the mike or the drums or whatever.

as I previously said in this thread

Bands and DJs are two very different things....if anything bands are more like producers....you go to see the band and their music. DJs are more like the cover bands out there and I don't know many cover bands that sell out a club like Guv.

If anything....we should be praising the producers more and the DJs less.

I disagree that bands and DJs are inherently different when it comes to people's motivations to go hear them. So do the 5000 people who go to guvernment every weekend too, and the 40,000 at each of the many big events across Europe every year.

Clearly people put just as much emphasis on DJs as they do on bands, are you actually arguing that?

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Originally posted by Skipper I disagree that bands and DJs are inherently different when it comes to people's motivations to go hear them. So do the 5000 people who go to guvernment every weekend too, and the 40,000 at each of the many big events across Europe every year. Clearly people put just as much emphasis on DJs as they do on bands, are you actually arguing that?

no....I'm arguing that we put too much emphasis on DJs.....more emphasis should be put on the people that produce the music and not the ones that spin the music.

PEOPLE

HAWTPANTS IS COMING SOON.

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Originally posted by CODE PEOPLE HAWTPANTS IS COMING SOON.

don't be teasing us.....that would be just mean

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Originally posted by CODE PEOPLE HAWTPANTS IS COMING SOON.

Not getting excited til I see a flyer. You've been saying no one can afford him for like the last year.

Or, simply accept the fact that the band-scene and the EDM-scene are completely different when it comes to the creation, production and performance of music.

Producers generally produce tracks so that other DJ's can play out their music to clubs, and be heard by a pretty wide audience. They are not producing music to be "performed live"

Bands produce music for themselves to be performed live. They are not specifically writing tracks with the expectation / hope that another band will play it as a cover.

*(insert obligatory exceptions to the rule such as Live PAs and EDM/band cross-over acts/etc/etc)

When some band writes a song, they dont think "Geeze, I hope the rolling stones will play this at their next show!" when they submit it to a label. But, when joe-producer makes a track and submits it t M_NUS, they are probably crossing their fingers that their track will be dropped and supported by Hawtin & Co.

Sort of like composer writing music to be performed by a maestro conducting an orchestra. A producer produces tracks to be played by a DJ to be mixed in with other tracks for an audience.

The skills required to build a song vs the skills required to build a set are different. Instead of arranging the elements for a 6-8 minute song, your arranging a number of songs to build a larger work. Just because you are good at one, does not mean you will be good at the other - you have many producers that /suck/ at DJing, and you have a number of DJs that might suck at producing. Now and then, you get some that are great at both.

Producers do deserve more credit for the work that they do, but trying to equate a DJ to a cover-band is even a bigger stretch then trying to compare them to a maestro of an orchestra like I did above :P

ha i never said it was me :P

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Originally posted by CODE ha i never said it was me :P

My guess is Circa then...which would be cool.
I guess if they can afford Coxy then Hawtin isn't far behind.

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Originally posted by kaniz Or, simply accept the fact that the band-scene and the EDM-scene are completely different when it comes to the creation, production and performance of music. Producers generally produce tracks so that other DJ's can play out their music to clubs, and be heard by a pretty wide audience. They are not producing music to be "performed live" Bands produce music for themselves to be performed live. They are not specifically writing tracks with the expectation / hope that another band will play it as a cover. *(insert obligatory exceptions to the rule such as Live PAs and EDM/band cross-over acts/etc/etc) When some band writes a song, they dont think "Geeze, I hope the rolling stones will play this at their next show!" when they submit it to a label. But, when joe-producer makes a track and submits it t M_NUS, they are probably crossing their fingers that their track will be dropped and supported by Hawtin & Co. Sort of like composer writing music to be performed by a maestro conducting an orchestra. A producer produces tracks to be played by a DJ to be mixed in with other tracks for an audience. The skills required to build a song vs the skills required to build a set are different. Instead of arranging the elements for a 6-8 minute song, your arranging a number of songs to build a larger work. Just because you are good at one, does not mean you will be good at the other - you have many producers that /suck/ at DJing, and you have a number of DJs that might suck at producing. Now and then, you get some that are great at both. Producers do deserve more credit for the work that they do, but trying to equate a DJ to a cover-band is even a bigger stretch then trying to compare them to a maestro of an orchestra like I did above :P

and all this goes back to my original point that Electronic Music is ass backwards to other types of music.

maybe he can get misstress B. to sing for him then drop into a spastik..............LOL

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Originally posted by CODE maybe he can get misstress B. to sing for him then drop into a spastik..............LOL

As long as it's not the dubfire remix!

ohh but the dubfire would fit the best

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Originally posted by CODE maybe he can get misstress B. to sing for him then drop into a spastik..............LOL

Just shoot me now if that happens.


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