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Originally posted by tiesto14 It is a 3 part question and without an answer to this question no amount of evidence can suggest anything of a conspiracy. If the Bush administration was involved in 9.11 what was the reason for it, what did they gain? Most, if not all, of the conspiracy theorists beleive it was to plant themselves in Iraq for oil or some other reason, but if that is the case why would they go through the ENORMOUS effort of pulling off 9.11 killing thousands of its own people, bringing down both World Trade Center Towers, penetrating the Pentagon all in broad daylight for the world to see only to make themselves look stupid by entering Iraq under false prentences when all they had to do was plant some VX nerve gas and some warheads in the desert to "prove: Hussein had WMD...but they didnt they planned 9.11 to get to Iraq yet didnt plant WMD which would of been childs play? makes no sense.

I stated earlier for others that people of power believe in the ends justifying the means.

Somehow you cannot grasp that and therefore your stuck in this cognitive dissonance that is very very hard to break.

Rather than looking for words to fight with you should just STFU and read what I and others keep pointing out to you.

But you're just going to ramble on about your question not being answered and claim you're the best flamer around.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis It's not common sense, it's what your fed to believe.

Typical Chomsky, Zinn and Blumm horse shit...i beleive what i see fit shows me the best evidence....i am no sheep kind sir.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis I'm not saying that it was Bush who was behind it or some big Arab nation, but what proof don't you have the CIA setup this whole thing in the first place because as you know they trained Saddam, Osama etc..

You beg the question though...WHY woudl the CIA does this...in order to have that theory you have to have a reason for it...so why?

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Originally posted by Psygnosis They are capable of anything they well please to do, so don't come here and say its common sense, your just the typical naive fool that will believe anything. You only believe Bush or the American government wasn't behind it because thats what they tell you in which they say Arabs did this, and arabs did that.

I know and you are enlightened few that can see past all the brainwashing techniques that us simple fellows fall victom too...gee i wish i was like you.

Listen..Bin Laden took the blame for 9.11 in his own words...or maybe he is a CIA agent.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis Again, don't you go around telling people that they didnt answer your question or didn't prove themselves because you did neither right here.

I dont need to prove myself...i am not on a mission like you people...but if you can not answer simple questions that hold all your water then how can you have a theory?

By the way i am STILL waiting for an answer from someone...thats the funny thing about you twits...you can NEVER answer simple easy straight forwards questions...you always want to give the run around. LOL and i am the fool?

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 I stated earlier for others that people of power believe in the ends justifying the means. Somehow you cannot grasp that and therefore your stuck in this cognitive dissonance that is very very hard to break. Rather than looking for words to fight with you should just STFU and read what I and others keep pointing out to you. But you're just going to ramble on about your question not being answered and claim you're the best flamer around.

This is so friggen funny...you have all this evidence and are assured of your beleifs but you can not and still have yet to even try to answer my question...

Is it a hard question?

It is a WHY question...you are bunk...your theory is bunk and your debating skills are bunk.

U made yourself look like a fool by not answering...

Care to try one last time to save face?

Come on i dare you.,..answer my question with your own words because i know u wont find an answer on any wacked site u get the rest of your information from...this answer lies within yourself...or do you not have any original opinions on the matter?

SO please give me an answer why didnt they plant WMD in Iraq if they pulled of 9.11? 98% of conspiracy theorists point to them doing 9.11 to get to iraq....so why didnt they plant WMD and make themselves look like heroes? WHY WHY WHY WHY

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Originally posted by tiesto14 It is a WHY question...you are bunk...your theory is bunk and your debating skills are bunk.

Again what does this terminology mean? Obviuosly a put down, but please explain...

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.so why didnt they plant WMD and make themselves look like heroes? WHY WHY WHY WHY

Perhaps too difficult with the world media, perhaps just lazy. maybe no spare WMD's lying around... I do agree they would have tried this if they felt it was necessary, but maybe they really did think they would find some stashed somewhere.

Tiesto14

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i like those photos thanx, however I have issue with the source.

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This site seems to be arguing there is a possibility of a cover up. i have not fully read everything, only just looked at it, but i don't get why you would quote from there?
I have more reading to do...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 why didnt they plant WMD in Iraq if they pulled of 9.11?

Why would anyone want to plant WMD's in Iraq?

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Originally posted by skot_e Again what does this terminology mean? Obviuosly a put down, but please explain...

a ludicrously false statement [syn: bullshit, bull, horseshit, shit, crap, bunkum, buncombe.

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Originally posted by skot_e Perhaps too difficult with the world media, perhaps just lazy. maybe no spare WMD's lying around... I do agree they would have tried this if they felt it was necessary, but maybe they really did think they would find some stashed somewhere.

Wait wait wait....planting VX nerve gas in the desert with no one around form hundreds of miles, no media nobidy is too difficult but bringing down 2 of the tallest buildings in world in the biggest city in the world during broad daylight with everyone watching isnt? Surely you jest.

There are always spare WMD.

So they went through all the planning and execution of 9.11 to get to Iraq but then felt it wasnt necessary to plant WMD? thats makes no sense...they made themselves looks like fools by not finding WMD.

It doesnt add up.

And dont you notice that no one of signifigance has backed up any of these theories...no one from Bin Ladens camp or from the Arab world...if they werent involved or at least acted in tandem they would LOVE to expose America for being behind 9.11...dont you find that a tad odd and make the conspiracy theories less realistic?

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9/11: why it happened is more important than how Deep Politics of 9/11 Motivations for allowing 9/11 to happen Create pretext to seize Middle East oilfields (to control Earth's oil supplies after Peak Oil) and enact "Homeland Security" police state The attacks were allowed to happen to facilitate an aggressive policy of world empire, particularly in the Middle East and Central Asian oil fields, which contain energy supplies that will become even more critical in the near future as oil extraction declines in the non-Islamic world. (It has been said that the last two barrels of oil will be Saudi and Iraqi.) The truth of 9/11 would cause major political shifts in our country, especially if many people dared to open up psychologically to the deceptions. It took decades for most people to understand that Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot President Kennedy, that there was a conspiracy to keep JFK from scaling back the Cold War -- but by then, domestic politics had shifted from civil rights and peace toward the so-called Reagan revolution. We don't have four decades for people to understand the truths of 9/11. There is considerable circumstantial evidence that remote control software, not amateur flight school drop outs, was used to fly the plane into the mostly empty, under re-construction part of the Pentagon (and therefore, the World Trade Center as well), although this will probably never be proved 100% (just like the identities of the assassins of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King remain unknown - although the motivations of the government conspirators have been well documented). However, neither the corporate media conglomerates nor the foundation-funded "left alternative" media are interested in investigating what actually happened on 9/11, even though much of the "evidence" has been disproved or is extremely questionable at best.

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Note the last paragraph I quoted

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Why would anyone want to plant WMD's in Iraq?

Are you serious?

Listen let make this clear for you...for the LAST time...most consporacy theorists, if not ALL, beleive Bush had a part in 9.11 to go to war with Iraq...cus eventually he would go after them after Afghanistan...so if they did that to eventually end up in iraq why didnt they plant them to save face?

And if you do not think it was to plant them in Iraq, which i would find odd since all the sites u get yolur info from all point at the reason, then why were they behind 9.11? for fun? Now you beg a different question...why were they involved for what purpose? If not Iraq?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Surely you jest.

Jest I do.
There are always spare WMD.

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And dont you notice that no one of signifigance has backed up any of these theories...no one from Bin Ladens camp or from the Arab world...if they werent involved or at least acted in tandem they would LOVE to expose America for being behind 9.11...dont you find that a tad odd and make the conspiracy theories less realistic?

While I agree with that, I also disagree in the fact that Osama and his cronies would probably like the world to believe they were responsible. I think they would be happy to have that notoriety.
I'm not suggesting here they are not responsible, i think they are, just given a reason why they'd not say they're innocent if they were.

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Originally posted by skot_e MORE HERE Note the last paragraph I quoted

I have read all that before...nothing new. But i come back to planting WMDs in Iraq...that was an enormous plan compared to planting WMD dont you think?

It really is so silly to entertain this anymore without an answer to my question.

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Originally posted by skot_e While I agree with that, I also disagree in the fact that Osama and his cronies would probably like the world to believe they were responsible. I think they would be happy to have that notoriety. I'm not suggesting here they are not responsible, i think they are, just given a reason why they'd not say they're innocent if they were.

I disagree...they would rather see America look like butchers of their own people by commiting 9.11 on its own citizens than take the rap for it...If the world ever found out for a FACT that the US government was involved or carried it out alone we would be finished and thatg would plase Bin Laden more...remember he hates us the most cus of our occupation of muslim land and we were exposed we surely would be kicked out of every country and he would get part of whatg he wants.

tiesto14, as you can't answer a question, lemme just ask you this about why you asked why the CIA would do such a thing.

One thing you have to understand about American politics is that they have secrets, like many other nations.

Speaking of denials brought up, i just wanted to know that if you understand this.

-Saddam was trained under CIA
-Osama was trained under CIA
-Shah of Iran was taken to Exile and killed with Cyanide ordered by the British government.
-Ayotollah was brought in to lead Iran by the Americans.
-The british stole a diamond from Iran which is used for the crown of the queen, the diamond was the size of a soccer ball.
-The Iran-Iraq war was a devised plan from America to send both nations into war so they could make money. All the crap your fed to believe that Ayotollah wanted to strike at Iraq is false lies. Israel sold weapons to Iran, and America sold weapons to Iraq.

Now, did you know this?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Are you serious?

I thought you were.

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most consporacy theorists, if not ALL, beleive Bush had a part in 9.11 to go to war with Iraq

Hanging out in the gay bar saying you're not gay. Good one kiddo. Not only are you trying to debunk theories you're actually listening to them.

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...cus eventually he would go after them after Afghanistan...so if they did that to eventually end up in iraq why didnt they plant them to save face?

I am not trying to make a connection with Iraq, Afghanistan and 9/11. There have been operatives that have ties to those subjects at hand but you have to actually do some reading into field reports and dossiers to understand. If the connections come up it is not my doing.

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And if you do not think it was to plant them in Iraq, which i would find odd since all the sites u get yolur info from all point at the reason, then why were they behind 9.11? for fun? Now you beg a different question...why were they involved for what purpose? If not Iraq?

I never implied that WMDs needed or had been planted. Why plant WMD's when you can claim they had some, invade, find none and claim bad intelligence. Oh wait they did that already.

This administration tried to tie Al-Qeada and Iraq together but recanted.

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Originally posted by Psygnosis tiesto14, as you can't answer a question, lemme just ask you this about why you asked why the CIA would do such a thing. One thing you have to understand about American politics is that they have secrets, like many other nations. Speaking of denials brought up, ijust wanted to know that if you understand this. Saddam was trained under CIA Osama was trained under CIA Shah of Iran was taken to Exile and killed with Cyanide by the British and American help. Ayotollah was brought in to lead Iran by the Americans. Now, did you know this?

Yes...no one denys that...but training tyrants and villians is a lot different then cold blooded murder of innocent people going to work and on top of it all carried out by the US government...a lot different.

You seem to be diverting attention from the original arguement...typical conspiracy theorists attemepts to run away from a topic when they are getting stumped.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I disagree...they would rather see America look like butchers of their own people by commiting 9.11 on its own citizens than take the rap for it...If the world ever found out for a FACT that the US government was involved or carried it out alone we would be finished and thatg would plase Bin Laden more...remember he hates us the most cus of our occupation of muslim land and we were exposed we surely would be kicked out of every country and he would get part of whatg he wants.

yeah good point. I guess both are possible. Who know's how the mind of a nutter like him really ticks eh?

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Hanging out in the gay bar saying you're not gay. Good one kiddo. Not only are you trying to debunk theories you're actually listening to them.

um not sure what that means...but find a new line tou have used that one several times already.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 I never implied that WMDs needed or had been planted. Why plant WMD's when you can claim they had some, invade, find none and claim bad intelligence. Oh wait they did that already.

BINGO...because the looked foolish...u dont get it and i am not sure why...if they DID plant the WMD the world would accept the US invasion of Iraw a lot more then they do now and we would have a lot more people liking Bush...so why didnt Bush do that if he did 9.11? I am not sure why u dont understand what i am saying.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 This administration tried to tie Al-Qeada and Iraq together but recanted.

OK better yet....forget the WMD.. why didnt they plant evdidence that link Al-Qeada to Hussein in one of his palaces...then the wolrd would find the war was a legitimare attack on terror ...but they didnt and no one found much of anything...dont u see how silly it all is....he carried out 9.11 the biggest crime of all time against ones own people but couldnt plant some bullshit evidence? really come on.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 You seem to be diverting attention from the original arguement...typical conspiracy theorists attemepts to run away from a topic when they are getting stumped.

Stumped from what? You never even remotely answer anyone elses question with any proof (oh yes i forgot that you don't need proof).

You have partially answered anything we are telling you, but you still haven't moved away from the whole concept of Americans innocence so i guess thats why.

There is no way you can say America is 100% innocent, unless you can prove me wrong otherwise.

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Originally posted by skot_e yeah good point. I guess both are possible. Who know's how the mind of a nutter like him really ticks eh?

Listen...dont buy into those conspiracys...when you read them stand back and look at the big picture...and ask why...and dont look at tiny little evidence and make decisions....just ask how much evidence against the theory did the theorist omit...

9.11 was a horrible attack...and i actually lost 3 friends that day so i tend to get overly aggressive on the matter...but i assure you however misguided American and Bush are they certaintly are not cold blooded murderers of their own people.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Oh christ you are crazy......so now it wasnt the US government behind 9.11? bit some other secret American group? LOL you need serious serious psychiatric medication ... and i do not mean that in a deragatory way...i sincerly think you need proffessional help. And i can not discuss with you anything further till you seek the help you need.

YES IAM CRAZY I MUST GET HELP I HAVE SCHIZO AND PARANOIA DUE TO BAD EXPERIANCES IN MY YOUTH

I have been through a lot but I know what I mean and I know I am find enough to communicate with a greaseball like yourself.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 Yes...no one denys that...but training tyrants and villians is a lot different then cold blooded murder of innocent people going to work and on top of it all carried out by the US government...a lot different. You seem to be diverting attention from the original arguement...typical conspiracy theorists attemepts to run away from a topic when they are getting stumped.

What don't you understand about the phrase "THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS"?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 BINGO...because the looked foolish...u dont get it and i am not sure why...if they DID plant the WMD the world would accept the US invasion of Iraw a lot more then they do now and we would have a lot more people liking Bush...so why didnt Bush do that if he did 9.11? I am not sure why u dont understand what i am saying. OK better yet....forget the WMD.. why didnt they plant evdidence that link Al-Qeada to Hussein in one of his palaces...then the wolrd would find the war was a legitimare attack on terror ...but they didnt and no one found much of anything...dont u see how silly it all is....he carried out 9.11 the biggest crime of all time against ones own people but couldnt plant some bullshit evidence? really come on.

If any evidence had been found, people might then have turned around and just said "Oh, the US must have planted it".
Better to accept they were wrong?
There would definately be some doubters.
As for al_qieda, isn't Zaqawi al_qieda, or is he just using that to bolster his image?

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Originally posted by Psygnosis Stumped from what? You never even remotely answer anyone elses question with any proof (oh yes i forgot that you don't need proof).

Go ahead ask me a question. I wont run and hide like you with my tail behind my legs...unlike you i will admit when i simply do not know and might be wrong...you however would never admit i am making valid points...and u call me blinded?

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Originally posted by Psygnosis There is no way you can say America is 100% innocent, unless you can prove me wrong otherwise.

And there is no way you can say the contrary. What proof do you have? Show me what u have besides some cruddy videos that shows nothing...last video someone gave tlaked of explosions on the streets of NYC that were felt form the towers before they fell....well iw as on the West Side Highway on the morning of 9.11 just a few blocks away...and i felt no explosions. So tell where is you hard proof and why arent you waving it at the steps of the Capital building?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid YES IAM CRAZY I MUST GET HELP I HAVE SCHIZO AND PARANOIA DUE TO BAD EXPERIANCES IN MY YOUTH I have been through a lot but I know what I mean and I know I am find enough to communicate with a greaseball like yourself.

again seek help little man...and i ask that you refrain from tlaking to me anymore...you make me fear for my safety and i am feeling compelled to call the authorities.

Seek help...it will do you only good.
Good luck with it all.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 What don't you understand about the phrase "THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS"?

Answer my question then i will entertain yours.

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