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Originally posted by Omega_M people who think science and math are not creative subjects, need to think twice before replying over the internet, sitting at your home, hooked to a modem, communicating with TA server, over fiber optic cables, laid undersea, crisscrossing the globe...staring at an LCD screen, attached to your computer, with a microprocessor, made of semiconductor technology, in a state-of-the-art manufacturing facility, created from breakthroughs in science and maths, by brilliant scientists, who were creative enough to harness nature's laws, to develop innovative technology...it all began, when an apple fell on newton's head, and he thought about gravity, which lead to development of astronomy and calculus and optics, which lead to speculations about the nature of light and then of propagating electromagnetic waves, and then came Faraday with his electricity and then came Edison with his bulb...same time, people were understanding fluid mechanics and radiation and absolute frames of reference and the ether which led to the study of special relativity, then general relativity and also quantum mechanics and then came the wars and creativity was harnessed in making guns and planes and radars and sonars and mortars and nuclear weapons and everything exploded with the information age and here we are today debating merits of science and maths over the internets... cue people who think social sciences are dumb...

LOL come on all of that was just rote memorization.

I dunno why you guys are even arguing it. You'd think the goal of any person pursuing education is to be well rounded.

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Originally posted by jennypie I don't see what's wrong with that. That's a big reason I like nursing.

With nursing (correct me if I am wrong) you are constantly learning the new advancement in science and technology for saving lives - with my field - the more you know - the quicker you advance and the higher you get. If I were to continue to learn meteorological things through the career (which will be a given) that is fine...but the reason for my sigh is that to get ahead - I have to know more than just weather. It is the science behind it...the technology that drives the supercomputing systems...the networks behind the scenes...the computing languages behind the systems (perl,python,java,C++, etc). Imagine if you had to understand how to fix your EKG machines when they broke (not physically...but internally). I wish I could just continue with learning weather - but if I do - I will never advance any higher than I am now.

It's sort of the same in nursing. Continuing education/upgrading/knowledge of practice standards/current research is a mandatory part of being licensed to practice...since everything is evidence based.


edit: but yeah, I see what you're saying.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN its so we dont have to end up as a grunt in the military.

@tbill's expense.

sorry mate.

You guys know Bill is a pog, and doesn't deserve the honor of being called a grunt right?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah? Then explain building 7, shill!

easy it was special forces aliens with thermate laced semen.... they huddled in the corners of the building and executed a controlled circle jerk..........

graduated cornell university with a 5 year professional bachelor of architecture degree

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Originally posted by Omega_M people who think science and math are not creative subjects, need to think twice before replying over the internet, sitting at your home, hooked to a modem, communicating with TA server, over fiber optic cables, laid undersea, crisscrossing the globe...staring at an LCD screen, attached to your computer, with a microprocessor, made of semiconductor technology, in a state-of-the-art manufacturing facility, created from breakthroughs in science and maths, by brilliant scientists, who were creative enough to harness nature's laws, to develop innovative technology...it all began, when an apple fell on newton's head, and he thought about gravity, which lead to development of astronomy and calculus and optics, which lead to speculations about the nature of light and then of propagating electromagnetic waves, and then came Faraday with his electricity and then came Edison with his bulb...same time, people were understanding fluid mechanics and radiation and absolute frames of reference and the ether which led to the study of special relativity, then general relativity and also quantum mechanics and then came the wars and creativity was harnessed in making guns and planes and radars and sonars and mortars and nuclear weapons and everything exploded with the information age and here we are today debating merits of science and maths over the internets... cue people who think social sciences are dumb...

No, Lebez and I argued that mathematics and science classes are uncreative, not the fields themselves.

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Originally posted by Domesticated No, Lebez and I argued that mathematics and science classes are uncreative, not the fields themselves.

Pffffft, don't backpedal now! We all saw you! We saw what you did!!

1 Bachelor's in Photography - 3.8 GPA

Have one year left to get my 2nd in Elementary Education - currently holding a 4.0 GPA

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Originally posted by Zild You guys know Bill is a pog, and doesn't deserve the honor of being called a grunt right?

i'm not sure what your definition is of "pog" ; but i'm most certainly not a grunt...nor do i want to be associated w/ that term either

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Originally posted by Omega_M @tbill's expense. sorry mate.

lol, no worries. i like my job

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Originally posted by Domesticated No, Lebez and I argued that mathematics and science classes are uncreative, not the fields themselves.

What does one DO with a math degree? Teach?

They do math, stupid.

What kind of math? Hard math? Number crunching? Does anyone with a math degree do something besides teaching like being an actuary or some other semi-worthless profession?

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Originally posted by ziptnf What kind of math? Hard math? Number crunching? Does anyone with a math degree do something besides teaching like being an actuary or some other semi-worthless profession?

A lot of practical work in engineering/technology relies fundamentally on mathematical theory. Pure mathematicians in academia are mostly just concerned with understanding things about abstract mathematical structures, and probably don't care much about application. Applied mathematicians in industry usually have the double role of developing abstract math and applying it to a given problem. For example, research teams at Google/Yahoo/etc are full of PhDs doing theoretical work on e.g. mathematical data analysis in order to make search better. Here's a list of some mathematicians in industry and what they do

http://www.ams.org/careers/archived.html

Granted, there's a whole range of jobs as far as how much math is involved, but a lot of these people are PhDs in math.

And of course, some jobs are more or less exciting than others. For example, I wouldn't want to bang my head against a whiteboard for a few years just so I could be an actuary and work to maximize someone's profit. I'd much rather work on interesting research stuff -- unfortunately a lot of the interesting stuff either goes on in academia, or research teams in industry, both of which are very competitive and require PhDs...

I'm graduating in 2010 from the Master in Management of ESCP Europe, the oldest business school in the world, the 2nd best in Europe according to the FT.

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Originally posted by Meat187 then buy a few sheep and a nice little house on Islay and spent the rest of my time sipping whiskey there.

Why Islay? It just sounds pretty specific!

Bachelors in Finance from the University of Miami
2 years into a J.D. in Law...took some time off...applying now to finish up

Would like to get an MBA soon.

None beyond secondary. Enrolling in a local 2yr college to then transfer to a uni. Going into Mech Eng.

Is anyone actually going into a good career with all these degrees and good GPAs? I spent close to $100 grand on a degree and went into a field where a degree isnt even necessary (Air traffic control). I hope that piece of paper comes in handy one day.

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Originally posted by Protege Is anyone actually going into a good career with all these degrees and good GPAs? I spent close to $100 grand on a degree and went into a field where a degree isnt even necessary (Air traffic control). I hope that piece of paper comes in handy one day.

I plan on going into some field that requires the degree I am going for.

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Originally posted by Dervish Why Islay? It just sounds pretty specific!

Because Islay Whisky is great and I was drinking some when I made up that plan.

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Originally posted by tachobg Currently year 2, technically a math major, but I take all sorts of random stuff. Reading some of the comments, I just want to say -- you've never really done math or science properly if you think it is just using equations with little understanding of what they mean. Sure, the early years require rote learning and few can appreciate algebra/trig/etc as something more than a tool, if they appreciate it at all. Luckily for me, math classes generally stopped being like that around sophomore year of high school and I've loved it ever since. 3-4 four years later, I'm taking math/science classes where you don't get told what to do and there's no clear right answer. If you're doing theory for example, you have to *invent* whatever mathematical structures you need in order to prove some result. No one gives you a formula. In fact, very often *you* have to give the formula If you're applying theory, you also can't just plug in formulas (whether you or someone else derived the formula); you have to worry about implementation, algorithms, etc. Also, most tests are designed to make you think creatively -- to weed out those who just remember formulas without understanding and to reward those who are inventive and really understand the material. For that reason, it's not unusual for test averages to be 40-50/100 and even lower. That said, I've taken a few great philosophy courses and learned that it's also important to be able to reason about things that are not clearly defined. This does not mean to write bullshit, but to present clear arguments, even if the subject matter is fundamentally murky and poorly understood (e.g. consciousness, creativity, ethics, etc). My profs had little tolerance for bs or unclear thinking and were generally quick to point it out in papers. So I wouldn't say math/sci is necessarily easier or harder than humanities when both are done right. This means math/sci profs should challenge students to do more than just regurgitate memorized info, and humanities profs should have no tolerance for bullshit. More importantly, self-respecting students of the above should do the same. And ultimately I think both humanistic and scientific thinking can inform one's life on many different levels. I find myself thinking as often about how some bit of math explains something very 'non-scientific' in my life as I do about how something inherently philosophical does the same.

I approve of this comment, I'm a third year Business Administration Major from DePaul Kellstadt School of Business with a minor in Interdisciplinary Physics (that I will continue well into my masters).
I also have an IB Diploma (along with GCSEs and other credits I had to work hard for while in high school).

I am currently studying Quantum Mechanics & the mathematics I'm presented with require alot of creativity and abstract thinking; quantum Mechanics also has alot to do with philosophy & theology. I am very happy to have discovered QM, It has changed my life; I will never be the same, hopefully I'll incorporate all I've learned into a life of engineering & technological advances.

Graduated Kindergarten
High School Diploma
Associates Degree in Science
*In-progress* Undergraduate Major Physics Minor Mathematics

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