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Exact opposite for me, I was pretty into church when I was younger but it was really for the wrong reasons. I just had a bunch of friends there.

I was religious as a kid but then kind of rebelled against it once I hit 16 or so. Then up until now I've been very indifferent. Then when I met my honey, who is also a Jew (although he wasn't practicing at the time) it started becoming important to me. Then as time went on after that... I've found myself going back to being religious I guess. I don't go to the synagogue every week or anything but I've been thinking about it.

i'm almost embarrassed to admit this just because of all the publicity it has gotten, but i've been a little interested in kabala lol

a girlfriend of mine is into it and she was telling me how it works and stuff and i thought it was really cool. it's not really like religion, it's just more like a way of life and how to live your life in a stress-free environment and how you can control your reactions to stress, etc... i could def see myself getting into that.

Let's go to Temple!!!!!!!! *puts on skull cap and sings the Dreidel song and dances*



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baruchhh atah al dunai...aleHHHAYNEW ladksn dk;n;sdkl

It's amazing how much stuff you retain though! Now he asks me questions about stuff and I have to try and remember about the rituals and prayers and what they mean.

lol his mom sent him to "blue star camp"

You know what I fucking hate though? Those fucking Jesus freaks that try to make you go to their mega churches after you tell them NO thank you 51685618694684 times. I mean what part of "hey no thank you I'm agnostic" do they not understand?! "but go anyways, my church is fun! im not religious, im not trying to change your beliefs but just come to my church" I mean I've BEEN to one of those churches. It's ridiculous how the pastor is yelling at everyone all this bullshit and everyones yelling and crying and throwing themselves on the floor and then everyone starts dancing lol. I mean if that's what they want to do then fine, whatever. But like they don't understand what "no" means.

For example my brother became one of those Jesus freaks a few years ago and ever since he's been trying to make my mother (who is catholic) go to his church. She's been catholic since birth, she likes her religion, but yet he comes in here and starts insulting her beliefs and telling her shit how she's going to burn in hell and her religion is bullshit and that she needs to go to his church in order to be "saved". That's really fucking disrespectful you know? He wouldn't like it if she went inside his house and started saying that shit. She doesn't care that he changed his religion. None of us do really, he's an adult and can do what he wants. But I just find it so disrespectful how he comes here and threatens to throw away this saint my mom has in the kitchen and telling her all of this shit. Fuck those people.

Angry rose!

No, I totally understand what you mean though. I talk with (tolerant) people who believe in other things all the time, to learn more about different religions. I'm never COME BE A JEW WITH ME! though

Judaism doesn't have much of an evangelist tradition, thankfully. Which makes it kind of funny that the two most conversion-happy religions, Christianity and Islam, are both descendants of Judaism.

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Originally posted by squirrelly Angry rose! No, I totally understand what you mean though. I talk with (tolerant) people who believe in other things all the time, to learn more about different religions. I'm never COME BE A JEW WITH ME! though

haha yeah! I mean I politely tell them no thank you and yet they keep insisting. Clearly being nice with them doesn't work lol.

It's alright talking to people about your religion and stuff if they are INTERESTED in learning about it. They just need to learn how to respect other peoples beliefs. Being disrespectful like that isn't going to make her change her mind you know? LOL.

Just blare MM next time.

Some Christians and Muslims don't think that other belief systems are worthy of any respect. They think that other religions lead straight to hell, tell blasphemous lies about God, and need to be exterminated either through conversion or physical force. To them, tolerating religious diversity is like tolerating "diversity" on the question of whether arsenic is a good food for babies: foolish and deadly.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'm just puzzled by the idea that any significant number of people have a "faith" or "spirituality" whose content floats free of any organized religious tradition. I think that idea is obviously false. People who have spiritual practices might reject many aspects of what they call "organized religion," and they might not go to any churches or temples, but they will still be indebted to the religions they reject for most of their ideas about spiritual beings, practices, and concepts.

That's great and all, but you missed my point. I'm not arguing that religion doesn't influence faith. I'm pointing out that people tend to look at the negatives of organized religion and, because of this, become frustrated and consider themselves to not be theists. Which makes about as little sense as ********'s posts.

Yeah, I've seen plenty of people who have a bad experience with a church, or have a falling-out with friends who go to the church, and then turn against religion and faith entirely.

For those of you that "lost" faith, did you just wake up one day and think "ok, I'm done with that" or were there a series of things that led to it?

Took painful months for me.

Why'd you lose faith? (just curious - PM me if you don't want to be all public about it lol)

i just realized on my own what a crock of shit religion is the older and wiser i got lol just watching my mom and her bullshit going to church every sunday and not being a real catholic annoyed me. all of the money and judgment & hypocrisy in religion (more specifically catholicism) really bothers me. and also reading/watching lots of evolution/science related shows on history and discovery channel and in books, etc... it made me come to the conclusion that i'm not a believer in the bible stories and organized religion in general.

my favorite story is the "faith based" lawfirm my mom worked at for 6 years with all the piece of shit asshole lawyers who are heavily involved in the calvary chapple and one of the senior partners cheating on his wife with his secretary who happens to be my best friend's baby mamma we busted them at a restaurant...it was so funny.

but yea all those phony christians annoy the crap out of me and like 80% of them are. cheating and lying every day and leading double lives and showing up to church w/ the family every week with a smile. makes me sick.

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Originally posted by squirrelly Why'd you lose faith? (just curious - PM me if you don't want to be all public about it lol)

Because after examining my thoughts on religion for a while, I found I didn't have any good reason to believe. I believed because I wanted to feel good and avoid the fear of hell. The fact that a belief makes you feel content or safe doesn't mean it's true.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Because after examining my thoughts on religion for a while, I found I didn't have any good reason to believe. I believed because I wanted to feel good and avoid the fear of hell. The fact that a belief makes you feel content or safe doesn't mean it's true.

yea and this too for me

That I understand.

Catholicism is the one religion that grinds my gears. I had a lot of not-so-good experiences with Catholics. I hate how they demand you give them money. And when I question their thoughts, they get all pissed off instead of answering me. And I can't stand a priest who tries to f-ing preach about families and children and marriages and what you should do - but has none himself!

Oh, I also think that as I've gotten older I've grown more of an appreciation for what my family went through. I've been learning a lot more about what the concentration camps were like and how it was living in the post-world era and getting here to the states... I think it's tugging at my religious strings with that, too.

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Originally posted by squirrelly That I understand. Catholicism is the one religion that grinds my gears. I had a lot of not-so-good experiences with Catholics. I hate how they demand you give them money. And when I question their thoughts, they get all pissed off instead of answering me. And I can't stand a priest who tries to f-ing preach about families and children and marriages and what you should do - but has none himself!

exactly

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Originally posted by squirrelly I hate how they demand you give them money. And when I question their thoughts, they get all pissed off instead of answering me.

I am not a fan of religion, but this is one thing I commend the Mormon church for. People pay their tithing, but NO ONE but the people that are above the regional level in "management" are paid by the church. All the Bishops (the "pastor") Stake Presidents (the regional "pastor" that oversees all the "wards" (aka the congregations of each bishop)) and I think even the one just above that (can't remember the name lol) are all doing this as a service to god.

Well I didn't really know that those people got paid in the church? I meant when they hand around the collection plates and stare at you like GIVE ME MONEY.

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