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Originally posted by Skipper See, now you must be trying to be ignorant.

what can't you buy on-line that you can buy at the store. I have many friends who do all their grocery shopping online.

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Originally posted by Skipper See, now you must be trying to be ignorant.

My parents keep getting calls from whole sale companies offering them to deliver all their groceries right to their home. Thank god they only buy polish food LoL

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Originally posted by Skipper It does make sense. Walking around for groceries is a necessity, there's no getting around it.

I don't see your argument here.

If its a necessity to walk around for it, what difference does it make if they walk an extra 50ft-100ft in the parking lot. Makes no sense.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I don't see your argument here. If its a necessity to walk around for it, what difference does it make if they walk an extra 50ft-100ft in the parking lot. Makes no sense.

if you're the one grocery store who doesn't offer handicapped parking, then you lose handicapped customers. You're the asshole that doesn't offer preferred parking.
I'm not a socialist by any means, but it's not as if you give anything up so that 80 year old can hobble a 50 feet less to the store, so why not?

Plain and simple, it's easier for you to walk to the store than it is for someone 3 times your age to.

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Originally posted by Skipper if you're the one grocery store who doesn't offer handicapped parking, then you lose handicapped customers. You're the asshole that doesn't offer preferred parking. I'm not a socialist by any means, but it's not as if you give anything up so that 80 year old can hobble a 50 feet less to the store, so why not? Plain and simple, it's easier for you to walk to the store than it is for someone 3 times your age to.

I do agree with your point, but thats why meals on wheels was invented

so it's easier for the consummers to get free plastic bags than explicitly paying for them, its easier than hauling big bags before shopping... right?

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Originally posted by malek so it's easier for the consummers to get free plastic bags than explicitly paying for them, its easier than hauling big bags before shopping... right?

Huh?
There is no cost to providing preferred parking for handicapped customers. I'm not sure what you're getting at because they are not comparable situations.

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Originally posted by Skipper if you're the one grocery store who doesn't offer handicapped parking, then you lose handicapped customers. You're the asshole that doesn't offer preferred parking. I'm not a socialist by any means, but it's not as if you give anything up so that 80 year old can hobble a 50 feet less to the store, so why not? Plain and simple, it's easier for you to walk to the store than it is for someone 3 times your age to.

considering its a law to provide handicap parking I don't see that as a problem.

The expecting mothers and environment friendly vehicle parking is what pisses me off....those people should have no problem walking from anywhere in the parking lot....if they do...then shop online for your groceries...hell even most people that use handicap spots don't actually need them.

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Originally posted by Skipper if you're the one grocery store who doesn't offer handicapped parking, then you lose handicapped customers. You're the asshole that doesn't offer preferred parking. I'm not a socialist by any means, but it's not as if you give anything up so that 80 year old can hobble a 50 feet less to the store, so why not? Plain and simple, it's easier for you to walk to the store than it is for someone 3 times your age to.

oh don't get me wrong. I don't have a problem with the handicapped parking at all. I don't care to walk the extra few feet. I was just stating that realistically it makes no difference weather you park in handicap or not since you will be walking around for a quite a while anyway

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Originally posted by Skipper Huh? There is no cost to providing preferred parking for handicapped customers. I'm not sure what you're getting at because they are not comparable situations.

Well the cost is implied, like those bags.

You must've noticed that those parking spaces are much larger, using space that could be used by more customers, land is not free, and it�s taxed annually.

It needs extra paint and metal panels to mark them. Police men and / or security guards need to keep an eye on them, that's not free. People getting tickets, contesting them, going to courts, wasting their time, that�s not free.

Finally, the millions and millions of extra drops of oil needed to get just a bit farther for the millions and millions of cars/trips for every reserved parking spot across your city/province/country aren't free either.

Yes I'm stretching it, but that's how I feel when I'm being told that suddenly there's no more place in the landfills for those plastic bags, when there's absolutely no place like Canada for open spaces, and the feeling is aggravated when convenient alternatives do exist to the plastic bag like the biodegradable ones.

Customers are being denied the convenience of those bags, the same type of convenience a handicapped person expects when rolling in a parking.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced The expecting mothers and environment friendly vehicle parking is what pisses me off....

I parked in 'expectant mothers'/'mothers with child' spaces lots of times. I never hesitate to when I don't want to get soaked by pouring rain and snow, or when it's dead. There is absolutely no law anywhere against parking there if you don't fit the sign's profile. You can not get towed or ticketed (evil eyes though). They can't on grounds of sexual discrimination. It's courtesy though, so I am courteous when I feel it's appropriate.

But reusable bags are unhealthy... they become riddled with bacteria, mould and sometimes fungus. Sure you can wash them, but people are lazy, I don't wanna walk around a grocery store filled with people carrying their bacteria-infested cloth shopping bags... That being said. I don't use bags, I only buy what I can carry in the 2 arms I got Or I bring friends.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I parked in 'expectant mothers'/'mothers with child' spaces lots of times. I never hesitate to when I don't want to get soaked by pouring rain and snow, or when it's dead. There is absolutely no law anywhere against parking there if you don't fit the sign's profile. You can not get towed or ticketed (evil eyes though). They can't on grounds of sexual discrimination. It's courtesy though, so I am courteous when I feel it's appropriate.

I agree here... its different if its a bus and you get up for a pregnant lady or a senior as i always do. But parking and walking is a whole different matter especially when you will be walking inside the store as well. Handicapped parking is also out of control and i am speaking as somebody who had a handicapped sibling. While it was always nice to be able to park a bit closer it was not much of a burden to have to walk a bit further EXCEPT on those odd days when it snowed where we would then offload him at the front of the store and park it afterward.

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Originally posted by Spam But reusable bags are unhealthy... they become riddled with bacteria, mould and sometimes fungus. Sure you can wash them, but people are lazy, I don't wanna walk around a grocery store filled with people carrying their bacteria-infested cloth shopping bags... That being said. I don't use bags, I only buy what I can carry in the 2 arms I got Or I bring friends.

Not to mention when they wear out they probably take 100 times longer to biodegrade. Those bags are thicker plastic and synthetic cloth. Real good for the environment

today, i bought some stuff at rexall....and for declining the bag, they credited me a whole 5 cent!!! that'll give me 1/100 of a beer sip at DEMF this wkend woohoooo

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Originally posted by devnull today, i bought some stuff at rexall....and for declining the bag, they credited me a whole 5 cent!!! that'll give me 1/100 of a beer sip at DEMF this wkend woohoooo

Now if they are going to do anything at all this is how it should be done... and also not forced by a government to do so.

Congrats to Rexall. Too bad on June 1 in toronto they will be forced to charge.

BTW you forgot to account for the exchange rate so it will be .08/100 of a beer LOL

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Originally posted by devnull today, i bought some stuff at rexall....and for declining the bag, they credited me a whole 5 cent!!! that'll give me 1/100 of a beer sip at DEMF this wkend woohoooo

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By Keith Leslie, The Canadian Press TORONTO - The growing popularity of reusable grocery bags could pose a health risk to Canadians by increasing their exposure to dangerous bacteria, says a study commissioned by the plastics industry released Wednesday. The Canadian Plastics Industry Association hired two independent labs to conduct what it said was the first study of so-called eco-friendly grocery bags in North America, and found 64 per cent of them were contaminated with some level of bacteria. Forty per cent of the reusable bags tested had yeast or mould, and some had detectable levels of coliforms and fecal intestinal bacteria when there should have been none, said Dr. Richard Summerbell, who was commissioned to evaluate the lab findings. The problem is similar to a situation where bacteria can be transferred from kitchen countertops and cutting boards to foods, and the more waterproof the reusable bag is, the more likely it is to become a breeding ground for bacteria, Summerbell said. "Something that's a plastic weave, it takes longer for the moisture level to drop down, and so you can get what microbiologists call a bio-film building up ... a population of bacteria and possibly some yeasts, or even in severe cases, mould growth as well," he said. "The main actual hazard involved is if there's a little bit of spillage in there from some meat or some eggs, then food-poisoning organisms could be transferred over to other food." The study also warned of other potential health problems if the reusable bags are used to carry gym clothes or diapers in addition to groceries, which could lead to exposure to the superbug called community-acquired MRSA (methycillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus). "The bacterium may enter grocery bags if they are reused to carry athletic equipment," Summerbell said. "People are so acclimatized to using single-use bags that they throw away, they don't connect bags with hygiene." The World Wildlife Fund, which worked with grocery chains such as Loblaws to convince retailers to charge five cents for each plastic bag to discourage their use, said the concerns raised in the study could be addressed by washing the reusable bags. "It's a valid point, but I don't think we need to go back to disposing billions of plastic bags across Canada," said WWF spokesman Steven Price. "We need to take care of the objectives, which is to be safe and healthy, so let's wash the bags." Loblaws started charging Toronto customers for plastic bags in January, and in April stopped giving them away free across the country to meet its goal of diverting one billion plastic bags from landfill sites by the end of this year. The company issued a statement Wednesday saying it stands by its reusable bags. "Food items placed into reusable bags, for the most part, do not come in direct contact with the bag given their product packaging," Loblaw Companies vice-president Inge van den Berg said in an email. "Perishable items are put in plastic bags or other types of wrap packaging prior to being placed into the reusable bag, providing minimal opportunity for contamination of the bag." Summerbell said people need to be educated on the need to properly clean their reusable grocery bags. "Governments really should think about some standards for how these bags are to be hygienically handled, actually doing studies that validate cleaning procedures," he said. Ontario's Environment Ministry said Wednesday it is reviewing the findings of the study.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 The environment is now being used as a cash grab. Just wait until the "smart" hydro meters take effect.

I'm not following you here. Smart meters and sub-meters actually save everyone money - residents and utilities alike. To the best of my knowledge, the Ontario government isn't getting a penny from it.

More on topic: Longos is apparently still not charging. No mention of bags at the cashier or on the bill. Good for me, since that's where I do 90% of my shopping.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I'm not following you here. Smart meters and sub-meters actually save everyone money - residents and utilities alike. To the best of my knowledge, the Ontario government isn't getting a penny from it. More on topic: Longos is apparently still not charging. No mention of bags at the cashier or on the bill. Good for me, since that's where I do 90% of my shopping.

Apparently the pilot project in milton has seen everyone's bill go up an average of 20%

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Apparently the pilot project in milton has seen everyone's bill go up an average of 20%

I would love to see the data on that, because there have been half a dozen pilot projects before that, done for a year or more, that showed an average decrease of at least 25%.

Utilities have little incentive to try to overcharge on rates. Their objective is demand reduction, not for environmental reasons, but because that is where their biggest risk lies.

I just paid $0.10 for 2 bags and it was no big deal (forgot my reusable bags at home).

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Originally posted by DigiNut [COLOR=#99CCEE]I'm not following you here. Smart meters and sub-meters actually save everyone money - residents and utilities alike. COLOR]

BULLSHIT, I'm spending more because of these fcuking meters they put in last year.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I would love to see the data on that, because there have been half a dozen pilot projects before that, done for a year or more, that showed an average decrease of at least 25%. Utilities have little incentive to try to overcharge on rates. Their objective is demand reduction, not for environmental reasons, but because that is where their biggest risk lies.

I would like to see the data too. I read it in the paper but i dont believe everything i read in the paper.

But i dont think the hydro companies would do something that LOSES them money. They cried last year when they wanted a 10% rate increase due to the fact that they were making less money due to a drop of usage due to conservation.

i dont plan on doing laundry at 2 am on sunday night and i certainly dont plan on shutting off the a/c at 2pm on a hot summer day.

More social engineering.

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