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Originally posted by ziptnf Most calculus classes have many different types of problems dealing with a certain topic, and textbooks cover about 5% of those problems. 80% of the other types of problems in that topic are in the homework, and those are usually the ones that are on the test. People who look over examples and work through sample problems are usually the ones who fail the tests. As much as I hate it, Math homework is absolutely necessary. I've taken 6 higher math classes (cal 1-3, DE, linear, and discrete) and every single time, the homework has been the dealbreaker for people who want good grades.

I agree.

For math - I always did/still do the homework.

Plus, I oddly love the way math problems look on a piece of paper

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Originally posted by squirrelly I agree. For math - I always did/still do the homework. Plus, I oddly love the way math problems look on a piece of paper

I do too I always show off my notebook to Communications/Sociology majors and see if they can understand anything on there

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I slept in mine and did no work.

I remember one time in my math class I put my head down and started drifting off to sleep. Then my teacher (who was my favorite teacher throughout high school) said "Suspicion! Suspicion! It's OK if you sleep in this class, but can you have your head facing toward the front." So I turned over and really was trying to stay awake, but fell completely asleep.
He was a very nice guy and an excellent teacher. Let the A students do whatever they wanted and strived to get the less saavy to understand the concepts. I don't think he viewed anyone as a delinquent. I remember going to sleep, playing my CD player, eating and leaving for the restroom and never coming back. mr Rowe. Or Rove. Something like that.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Most calculus classes have many different types of problems dealing with a certain topic, and textbooks cover about 5% of those problems. 80% of the other types of problems in that topic are in the homework, and those are usually the ones that are on the test. People who look over examples and work through sample problems are usually the ones who fail the tests. As much as I hate it, Math homework is absolutely necessary. I've taken 6 higher math classes (cal 1-3, DE, linear, and discrete) and every single time, the homework has been the dealbreaker for people who want good grades.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying if you don't do it you will fail, but it shouldn't be mandatory to turn in for a grade.

This reminds me of when I took organic way back when. All of the premed tards were asking what problems to work and when they were due, etc...

Professor laughed at them and said there are only tests, but if you don't work every single problem in the text you won't pass. That's what I'm talking about.

I work full time and I'm trying to make a career out of DJing and music/event production, so I don't have any time for school.

Graduated HS with a 4.1 GPA after cruising thru my 3rd and 4th years in an alcoholic haze. 1400 on my SAT (back when it was only math and verbal), including 800 in math. 5 AP tests with a score of 3 or higher (physics, calculus, statistics, us history, computer science). Went off to college for a couple years, dropped out after changing my major twice. I just got sick of school. I am in career mode as a Credit Analyst for a commercial finance firm. Been in the industry for 7 years, up for a third promotion any day now.

Bottom line: School isn't for everybody. Higher education can be achieved outside of the classroom.

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Originally posted by Brian Scott I work full time and I'm trying to make a career out of DJing and music/event production, so I don't have any time for school. Graduated HS with a 4.1 GPA after cruising thru my 3rd and 4th years in an alcoholic haze. 1400 on my SAT (back when it was only math and verbal), including 800 in math. 5 AP tests with a score of 3 or higher (physics, calculus, statistics, us history, computer science). Went off to college for a couple years, dropped out after changing my major twice. I just got sick of school. I am in career mode as a Credit Analyst for a commercial finance firm. Been in the industry for 7 years, up for a third promotion any day now. Bottom line: School isn't for everybody. Higher education can be achieved outside of the classroom.

Same here. I'm so close to dropping out even if it will mean my family will disown me. It's just cutting into my earning ability.

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Originally posted by Zild You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying if you don't do it you will fail, but it shouldn't be mandatory to turn in for a grade.

You never said if you don't do it you'll fail, you said students should do sample problems/examples and then take the test. From your post that I quoted, it seemed like you completely ruled out homework altogether. I was trying to say that sample problems aren't good enough to get the concept.

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Originally posted by ziptnf You never said if you don't do it you'll fail, you said students should do sample problems/examples and then take the test. From your post that I quoted, it seemed like you completely ruled out homework altogether. I was trying to say that sample problems aren't good enough to get the concept.

No study the examples/samples from lecture. Then go lock yourself into a room and work as many fucking problem sets as possible. After that go ask for help. That doesn't count as homework to me

Homework is a professor saying do this and turn it in next week. I think that is bullshit.

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Originally posted by Zild Homework is a professor saying do this and turn it in next week. I think that is bullshit.

Believe me, I know as well as anybody that homework sucks, 13 Units in one semester of caluclus, a homework set for each unit that hovered around 30 problems a piece, but a little bit of pressure to get homework done helps you understand the concept, and then when you need to study for the final you can go over notes/grade homework/tests to get a complete grasp of information.

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Originally posted by squirrelly You totally will too. Every time I pass another class with an A and I continue to be on the Deans list I'm like HELL FKN YEA DUDE! because I know I work 50 hours a week and go to school full time. So when I talk to ppl who are like "I work too much to go to school" or "I don't have time" it just irritates me.

out of curiosity how do you fit a full-time school schedule with an already hectic work schedule? online classes? night classes?

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Originally posted by squirrelly You totally will too. Every time I pass another class with an A and I continue to be on the Deans list I'm like HELL FKN YEA DUDE! because I know I work 50 hours a week and go to school full time. So when I talk to ppl who are like "I work too much to go to school" or "I don't have time" it just irritates me.

Yeah, I will be working the full 40hrs here at work and attending 3 classes for 12 units total. German, English, and Math.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Believe me, I know as well as anybody that homework sucks, 13 Units in one semester of caluclus, a homework set for each unit that hovered around 30 problems a piece, but a little bit of pressure to get homework done helps you understand the concept, and then when you need to study for the final you can go over notes/grade homework/tests to get a complete grasp of information.

What more pressure do you need than the tests and final exam?

I see why professors do it. It pads the grade. Unless you're me and then you just lose those points without giving a fuck.

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Originally posted by l�cid out of curiosity how do you fit a full-time school schedule with an already hectic work schedule? online classes? night classes?

Right now I'm taking online courses. It seemed (note the word "seemed") like it would be so easy, but it takes a looot of dedication and committment. I have assignments due 5-6 days a week (1/2 of them group projects or research projects) so I'm constantly checking my school website to make sure I'm on track. I fell into a rhythm though and it's not as hard anymore. Usually I go to work, drive home, school work for an hour, hit the gym, school work again for 1-2 hours. Saturday mornings are reserved for school too; I usually wake up at like 7 and work on school stuff til 1 or 2 or so. It's def worth it though - and the classes go by so quick

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Yeah, I will be working the full 40hrs here at work and attending 3 classes for 12 units total. German, English, and Math.

Thing is, if you REALLY want to do it - you'll do really well. When you're in school just cause you feel like you have to be, your grades tend to suck. When you're in it cause you want to be though... way better Plus, you can earn scholarships for being on the Deans list (like I did )

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Originally posted by Zild I see why professors do it. It pads the grade. Unless you're me and then you just lose those points without giving a fuck.

Lol professors don't give you homework because it "pads the grade". They could give a fuck less what grade you end up with after all is said and done. Look at Law School, homework is very rare in Law School, but if you don't do your reading and shit, you're going to be totally boned for the final, since that is the only grade that counts. Math professors are the same way, they don't care about your homework grades, it barely helps your grade anyways since it's mostly like 5-10% of your overall grade. They give it to you so you can understand the concepts better.

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Originally posted by ziptnf Lol professors don't give you homework because it "pads the grade". They could give a fuck less what grade you end up with after all is said and done. Look at Law School, homework is very rare in Law School, but if you don't do your reading and shit, you're going to be totally boned for the final, since that is the only grade that counts. Math professors are the same way, they don't care about your homework grades, it barely helps your grade anyways since it's mostly like 5-10% of your overall grade. They give it to you so you can understand the concepts better.

No having percent of the grade for homework definitely pads the grade. In my calculus courses the homework was online and you could do it as many times as you wanted. Automatic 10% right there. Same with homework in other classes.

Or if you're me automatic 90% max grade.

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Originally posted by squirrelly Thing is, if you REALLY want to do it - you'll do really well. When you're in school just cause you feel like you have to be, your grades tend to suck. When you're in it cause you want to be though... way better Plus, you can earn scholarships for being on the Deans list (like I did )

Yeah I want to be there.

PS german was the only college class I took that I faltered in lol

That was 6 years ago when I was attending classes on campus though here in Orlando

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Originally posted by squirrelly Right now I'm taking online courses. It seemed (note the word "seemed") like it would be so easy, but it takes a looot of dedication and committment. I have assignments due 5-6 days a week (1/2 of them group projects or research projects) so I'm constantly checking my school website to make sure I'm on track. I fell into a rhythm though and it's not as hard anymore. Usually I go to work, drive home, school work for an hour, hit the gym, school work again for 1-2 hours. Saturday mornings are reserved for school too; I usually wake up at like 7 and work on school stuff til 1 or 2 or so. It's def worth it though - and the classes go by so quick

gotcha. that is a lot of work but good on you for doing it! i could barely handle a part-time school schedule on top of working full time and doing freelance at home.

i bet having online classes makes it way easier and saves you some time, but i don't think i could ever do it. i enjoy being in a classroom and getting a break from the computer.

Working and going to school at the same time sucks.

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Originally posted by squirrelly PS german was the only college class I took that I faltered in lol That was 6 years ago when I was attending classes on campus though here in Orlando

I took German in HS for 2.5 years. I passed it with flying colors.

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Originally posted by squirrelly PS german was the only college class I took that I faltered in lol That was 6 years ago when I was attending classes on campus though here in Orlando

I've had so many classes straight up jack me. It's good though. After a year or so you get used to failure, but not used to just failure. You get used to standing back up every time you fail and throwing yourself straight into the wall even though you know it is going to break you at least one more time. I wouldn't have it any other way as it helped with my general severity.

Hint: Don't take classes without having all of the prerequisite mathematics courses.

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Originally posted by l�cid gotcha. that is a lot of work but good on you for doing it! i could barely handle a part-time school schedule on top of working full time and doing freelance at home. i bet having online classes makes it way easier and saves you some time, but i don't think i could ever do it. i enjoy being in a classroom and getting a break from the computer.

I couldn't do part time schooling at a campus because of my work schedule, so I had to opt for the online schooling. I only have a little over a year left (thank God) and I'll have finally finished the degree

The thing that's nice about it is that the courses are 5 weeks. So you throw yourself into the class, and then before you know it, it's over. So that's really comforting when you have a hellacious teacher (which I had two classes ago) who demands that you turn in a 2400 word research paper on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday that you're like WTF how can I possibly do this?!?!? but then you do it, and it's over - and it didn't take 4 months to get out of there like at a regular class.

I prefer doing it in the classroom too, but UCF is known as "you can't finish" because of how hard scheduling is... when they said it would take me 4.5 years to finish 1.5 years of school I was like FUUUUUUUCK that!

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Originally posted by squirrelly you turn in a 2400 word research paper on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday that you're like WTF how can I possibly do this?!?!? but then you do it, and it's over - and it didn't take 4 months to get out of there like at a regular class.

Lol, that's it? Yeah welcome to nursing.

well for me, having 4 papers due a week when I commute an hour to work and back and work 50 hours... that is not easy. Laugh if you wish, but I barely had time to sleep those five weeks - let alone eat.

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