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Originally posted by R!CH that sucks you made an assumption based on your own high expectations, bought a ticket to a show without knowing who would be playing, and now you don't think it's worth your money, but ultimately it's not the promoter's problem. no one guaranteed you anything ahead of your purchase, nobody broke any promises to you. it was your own choices that got you to where you are today and nobody owes you shit. you don't even have a good reason to complain as you can easily sell your ticket for what you bought it for and spend that money on whatever else makes you happy. also your sandwich analogy is wack!

Um... lol... I am not upset about buying my ticket... I would of still bought it if it cost twice as much. I actually am going to be buying two more for friends most likely as the date gets closer. Just because someone wishes the headliners were somewhere in the same league as last years doesn't mean they aren't still down to go. As I have reiterated ad nauseaum this is one of the best parties of the year and I am delighted to go. The lineup just isn't as good as last years by any stretch of the imagination. Read what I wrote before replying or it is pretty hard to take you seriously.

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Originally posted by DaveT Actually, if you go back and read some of the previous post (not necessarily int his thread) some people were basically saying the organizers were lazy and they didn't start early enough ie put more effort into getting everything setup. That's what all that was directed towards...

Maybe they were maybe they weren't, end result is the same. Still don't care about any of the process of selecting a lineup just like the other 99% of the crowd... they are just there for the music and the event and better headliners would of been nice, thats all.


This is going to be a great party, it ALWAYS is thanks to Skills and whoever else does the AP. Like I have said before the lineup isn't that great, it isn't in the same league as last years, that isn't going to change unless they bring out some big mystery headliner. It doesn't need defense or explanation about how hard it is to plan a rave. It is just a statement about the lineup, nothing more. If you really are going to get that defense about what I have said about the lineup that is silly, you should hear what others are saying.

I was thinking they might throw a party either way, but I imagine the daytime events and other things influence whether an agency will be a DJ for that event or events. A lso, bigger DJ who has more control over where he's booked (ie approves all bookings himself) might be more or less inclined given the nature of the event. So, you simply can't go by that. And it can change the terms of the deal with the city to get al lthe other permits and cost. You don't know the business side of it all. It's easy to say that from the outside, but from the business side you have to make smart business decisions and you don't want to be putting deposits down on DJs until you know it's gonna happen.

I think Alain said somewhere around the time the first teaser flyer finally came out that everything was about two months behind vs. last year. If they had to wait two more months to move foward with the bookings, that's a big difference!

And we don't know when everything was finally finalized and they could move forward witht he bookings. And neither do you. It could have been last week or the week before. It could have been last month. Who knows, but I know these people who organize the afterparty and have for a long time and they've nothing to show greed.

BTW, I love the concept of a spinning DJ booth. It has worked damn well for Sensation. The design of Skills' version was pretty bad though, IMO. The whole center column was a big FAIL with me, personally. It really causes that disconnect. At least you can see the DJs' back if the center area was open! That said, I hope it's not used at the aftparty. The design of the place just doesn't fit it well.

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Originally posted by rudypoochris Maybe they were maybe they weren't, end result is the same. Still don't care about any of the process of selecting a lineup just like the other 99% of the crowd... they are just there for the music and the event and better headliners would of been nice, thats all. This is going to be a great party, it ALWAYS is thanks to Skills and whoever else does the AP. Like I have said before the lineup isn't that great, it isn't in the same league as last years, that isn't going to change unless they bring out some big mystery headliner. It doesn't need defense or explanation about how hard it is to plan a rave. It is just a statement about the lineup, nothing more. If you really are going to get that defense about what I have said about the lineup that is silly, you should hear what others are saying.

People have the right to complain about the lineup. Can't please everywhere. That's fair game. Not qualms about that.

But acting as if the organizers are being greedy, or are lazy, or don't know how to book, etc etc....that's stuff that gets a bit personal. Those are the people I'm talking to. If you aren't sitting there saying the lineup is what it is because of the laziness, greed, etc etc etc...then just ignore what I said. Or at least wait until after the event to come back and say that if you feel that you didn't get the production you expected vs. the lineup and the entry fee. But making those accusation when people, myself included, don't know the full facts, if any, up front is just unnecessary.

For the most part, what you've said is fine, IMO. Most of what I'm saying isn't directed towards you...other than me trying to say that it's not directed towards you.

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Originally posted by rudypoochris If I buy a sandwich that tastes great one day then go back the next and it tastes bad I am not going to care that it was too crowded when I came by, the chef accidentally poured a vat of mayo in it, etc etc. I just care that the sandwich tastes bad. Skills always does a great job though and the AP is one of the best if not the best dance festival of the year, so I really don't see myself or anyone being disappointed day of.

That's a ridiculous analogy, the problem you describe is the fault of the chef and is an internal problem, rather than one based on a sequence of events depended upon another variable(s).

Based on your analogy our situation is more like if we were the sandwich shop and all of the sudden the truck from the farmer's market crashed our delivery unintentionally so we don't have the ingredients were use to having. Being the only sandwich shop of this kind in the area do we close or do we go with what we have and feed those who are still hungry; hoping our customers understand the situation. We'll do our best with what we have, hopefully something like this doesn't happen again.

Not everything is within our control

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Originally posted by DaveT People have the right to complain about the lineup. Can't please everywhere. That's fair game. Not qualms about that. But acting as if the organizers are being greedy, or are lazy, or don't know how to book, etc etc....that's stuff that gets a bit personal. Those are the people I'm talking to. If you aren't sitting there saying the lineup is what it is because of the laziness, greed, etc etc etc...then just ignore what I said. Or at least wait until after the event to come back and say that if you feel that you didn't get the production you expected vs. the lineup and the entry fee.

Dave,

To clarify, when I mentioned greed I was talking about service charge of $7 for tickets. I don't think the lack of booking was caused by greed and in no way do I think they are lazy. I am sure many of the people organizing the AfterParty are doing this from the goodness of there heart; no pun intended.

However, when you mention 'don't know how to book'. I am a tad surprised that is coming from you. Now I have never met you, I have seen you standing on stage plenty of times but that makes me knowing you as well as I know the DJs. I have read PLENTY of threads from you criticizing the opening DJ for headliners. Now everything is just speculation at this point, but now that we have seen the talent I have a hard time imagining the progression from one DJ to another.

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Originally posted by rudypoochris Um... lol... I am not upset about buying my ticket... I would of still bought it if it cost twice as much. I actually am going to be buying two more for friends most likely as the date gets closer. Just because someone wishes the headliners were somewhere in the same league as last years doesn't mean they aren't still down to go. As I have reiterated ad nauseaum this is one of the best parties of the year and I am delighted to go. The lineup just isn't as good as last years by any stretch of the imagination. Read what I wrote before replying or it is pretty hard to take you seriously.

it's pretty hard to take you seriously after that amazing sandwich analogy. look i don't care how much you're willing to pay or how many people you're bringing with you, your comments are still unconstructive whining. and i say this very topically to every whiner on this thread because i don't keep track of all of you and what you say. it doesn't take a genius to figure out the trance line up isn't as "dj-mag big" as last year, who are you trying to convince? i just think it's absolutely hilarious how misplaced your standards are for what constitutes a fun party.

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Originally posted by rudypoochris Um... lol... I am not upset about buying my ticket... I would of still bought it if it cost twice as much. I actually am going to be buying two more for friends most likely as the date gets closer. Just because someone wishes the headliners were somewhere in the same league as last years doesn't mean they aren't still down to go. As I have reiterated ad nauseaum this is one of the best parties of the year and I am delighted to go. The lineup just isn't as good as last years by any stretch of the imagination. Read what I wrote before replying or it is pretty hard to take you seriously. Maybe they were maybe they weren't, end result is the same. Still don't care about any of the process of selecting a lineup just like the other 99% of the crowd... they are just there for the music and the event and better headliners would of been nice, thats all. This is going to be a great party, it ALWAYS is thanks to Skills and whoever else does the AP. Like I have said before the lineup isn't that great, it isn't in the same league as last years, that isn't going to change unless they bring out some big mystery headliner. It doesn't need defense or explanation about how hard it is to plan a rave. It is just a statement about the lineup, nothing more. If you really are going to get that defense about what I have said about the lineup that is silly, you should hear what others are saying.

You mean the drugs and boooze.

I wonder if you are forced to use ticketmaster tickets at the venue ... and you have to go pick that ticket up day of or something (as what's usually oen of the side rooms will be where everyoen picks upt here ticket this year. Inside the building in the left side room...you'll enter it from the outside...)....and you are paying for a TM service fee or something.

I dunno what's up with that. Maybe someone with Skills can explain or something.

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Originally posted by 3tlk Dave, However, when you mention 'don't know how to book'. I am a tad surprised that is coming from you. Now I have never met you, I have seen you standing on stage plenty of times but that makes me knowing you as well as I know the DJs. I have read PLENTY of threads from you criticizing the opening DJ for headliners. Now everything is just speculation at this point, but now that we have seen the talent I have a hard time imagining the progression from one DJ to another.

You are merging the club world with a one-off production. Different rules simply apply....not by choice, but it's just how it is. You should never expect proper progression at an event like this. Sometimes you get lucky and the progression is good in the rooms throughout the night, but 95% of the time it's pretty janky.

When people sayin someone doesn't know how to book...I am seeing it as them saying the organizers don't have a clue what type of acts they should book for such an event. Like those complaining abotu trance being in the side room. Good, solid complaint if you are a trance fan but saying it's becuase they don't know how to book is lame. Again, if they had a solid trance headliner they could have booked, I bet they would've indeed had the trance in the main room. That's just a guess by me though.

The main room, at least, has to be based around acts that have some name recognition to the more mass audience. I know some of you will say that tickets will sell no matter who is in the lineup....eh, you run a business and go by that assumption. Especially in this economy.

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Originally posted by drEamer as paying customers, dont we have a right to bitch and moan about shit? LOL

yup and more so if the talent doesnt correspond to the ticket price.

I dont know the financial aspect, but last years lineup would lead you to believe the talent expenses were MUCH higher than this year. so if less was spent on talent this year, you would assume that entry prices should be lower than last year.

imagine if the names that had been "leaked" were the top acts and D5,GA,Eddie, and fischerspooner etc were NOT on the lineup and instead more local openers you could see for free on a friday or saturday night...

Plenty people bought their $47 and $57 tickets based on the acts they had known about, or just the idea of the after party.


Suggestion. Next year start with planning for a massive(like ETD popsicle) then build the parade around it. If the city got draconian and said no parade, no floats, no music, you still have a kick ass massive and people will go to it, or was Pop this year a bust(no pun intended) attendance wise...

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Originally posted by junkproject You mean the drugs and boooze.

YEAH!!!!
HAHA, i will have fun either way!
That doesnt mean i am not sad that the Trance AND the House has been replaced with Experimental/Fusion/Hardcore/Big Beat/Electro, Minimal....
It would suchk to have Pop happen again with some trance and some other stuff mixed. So i understand. Its just too bad....
Everyone needs to be less bitchy! Its going to be SO MUCH FUN!!!!! Even if we all have to crowd into the side room.... When they see all of us in the side room and not many people in the main room they will understand the importance of having a good lineup for next year.
I am super stoked to see Andy FINALLY! I wish Alex Morph could have come! I am happy cuz every trance DJ playing will be a new experience for me! I am fans of all of them so it will kick ass....

*sigh*

It's like talking to a wall sometimes.

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Suggestion. Next year start with planning for a massive(like ETD popsicle) then build the parade around it. If the city got draconian and said no parade, no floats, no music, you still have a kick ass massive and people will go to it, or was Pop this year a bust(no pun intended) attendance wise...

That's not a working option, you're missing a lot of other needed variables

well u know that there will be an event next year, why not start workong on it on October 5th? just an idea

@bigperf you have to be kidding! Although to you it might seem that skills and spundae are the organizers of all things SF Love Parade, you would be surprise to know that it's not correct. San francisco's LOVE FEST started well before there was an Official After Party. Also there are so many other awesome production companies that put up their own money to have a float with good DJ's. It would be stupid and dumb for the organizers of the parade to disregard all others promoters and start building a free parade based on two companies who god forbid should ever go out of business for whatever reason..

ANYWAY THE LINE UP REMAINS AS SOLID AS EVER!!

I would much rather have all those trance DJ's in one room, so please either pick main room or side room but don't split half in main room and the rest in a side room..

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Originally posted by drEamer well u know that there will be an event next year, why not start workong on it on October 5th? just an idea

probably because the cost of having this years parade are not yet cleared. Can't start planning something if you don't know how deep you will be in running/cleaning/security/permit costs.

Hopefully since this year they will be charging $10 to enter the festival grounds, there will be enough money for the organizer to start planning by mid October!

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Originally posted by drEamer well u know that there will be an event next year, why not start workong on it on October 5th? just an idea

No we do not know there will be an event next year

Trust me any possible solution you present, either we tried or it's not possible

I personally like house and trance in the same room (if the djs or acts are good). I like to hear different genres throughout the night. I remember when I first started raving hearing a progression of sounds throughout the night. It made things interesting and exciting.

Hearing all trance throughout the whole night is pretty boring. Hearing bad trance for just 10 minutes is even worse.

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Originally posted by Alain That's not a working option, you're missing a lot of other needed variables

is it reasonalble to think that the city would straight out say NO to having the parade/day event in the not so distant future? sounds like it was a lot more effort than in years past to get everything taken care of in 2009.

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Originally posted by Alain No we do not know there will be an event next year Trust me any possible solution you present, either we tried or it's not possible

so this is totally on a year to year basis....wow.....now i see why.....good luck in the future

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Originally posted by bigperf is it reasonalble to think that the city would straight out say NO to having the parade/day event in the not so distant future? sounds like it was a lot more effort than in years past to get everything taken care of in 2009.

I've said about 10 times on this forum and what you're not understanding is that the city isn't one entity. It's not like we ask 1 person for permission and that answer represents the whole city.

Just because the city approves the event to happen, doesn't mean the police are on board. Just because the police and city have given their okay doesn't mean the fire chief has given the okay. Now multiply this variable by 100 and maybe you'll understand what's going on.

Then factor in the possibility if by chance the fire chief decides to quit? Well guess what happens, that process has to start over again under new guidelines.

my bad, missed that you had said on previous page that there were no guarantees for next year.

unless the city is profiting(i would assume they do otherwise why allow the event) then lets enjoy it while its here. Germany had 3 love parade cancelled since 2004.

There's never been a guarantee, pretty much when the board decides to announce the date is pretty close to when the parade and festival are green lights from all departments. Obviously this announcement has dramatically been a different date every year.

The city profiting doesn't outweigh the more important issues the city needs to deal with. Our parade and festival isn't exactly the highest execution of order on the city's to do list.

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Originally posted by bigperf my bad, missed that you had said on previous page that there were no guarantees for next year. unless the city is profiting(i would assume they do otherwise why allow the event) then lets enjoy it while its here. Germany had 3 love parade cancelled since 2004.

Love Parade Berlin gets cancelled because they can't cover costs and all that since the city makes them pay for everything including cleanup these days. I think they said cleanup costs them nearly $500,000 US the first year it was cancelled. They got corporate sponsorship for a couple years there and all but when they can't it just gets cancelled again.

Heck, it wasn't in in Berlin in 2007 and 2008. It was in Essen in 2007 and then in Dortmund last year.

Hopefully people understand why the organizers of LE are requiring $10 for entry this time around...cause it's prob either they do that or cancel the event, and we all don't want that to happen!

I want to see semis in this year parade be using water-cooled sound systems like LP in Germany does.

i hope the lineup for the parade and ALL of the afterparties can bring enough people to the city to make this possible next year!
I could see it getting canceled by the city just becaue someone doesnt believe in it. That would be sad.

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