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Originally posted by Stef Lets hear your work then.

Yeah, it's fine to be adamant about doing things your way, but when you repeatedly insist over 10+ pages (or whatever - I didn't actually count) that other people's way of doing things is less creative, unoriginal, etc., then at some point you have to put your money where your mouth is and demonstrate the difference. Otherwise, your argument holds no weight and your credibility just goes out the window.

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Originally posted by owien no you just compard making edm to a bole of pasta or a famous artist lol

Because you don't seem able to comprehend what is being told to you about the topic at hand, so I demonstrated it in another field. S'called an analogy.

bole lol.

Why are you guys even bothering with this tard? I need to ask Swamper to make my moderator, so I can fix shit like this.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do you really synthesize *all* your own percussion samples? That's pretty cool, if so. Can you post some of the kicks, snares, hi hats, etc. you've made? I can make kicks on my own but they're pretty plain sine / triangle wave stuff, nothing stellar. They hit pretty hard, though: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/perc/synthkick1a.wav http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/perc/synthkick2a.wav I have never made a *good* hi hat or snare from scratch. Wish I could find out how. I think it's awesome when people can make absolutely all their own sounds, but you shouldn't be a jerk about it like you have been in this thread. You can still make a good song if you use samples from other people.

i remove all parameters and settings pre made so that its as straight and untoched as i can then go about creating the sound i'm after. i write it all with one clear line in paino roll play on a loop and co create a new sound.

and for the last time i'm not being a dick just because people dont seem to get why creating a song from a blank page is to hard or pointless.

i have built up my own sound banks over time and learned how to get what i want from my set up. through time and hard work

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Originally posted by Zild Why are you guys even bothering with this tard?

I dont know, sometimes things are just so logical that you just have to try and explain it.

He says that if you arent making your own samples your music will be unoriginal and generic.. even though the artists he has listed as original can be proven do use plenty of samples, it still doesnt go through.

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Originally posted by owien i remove all parameters and settings pre made so that its as straight and untoched as i can then go about creating the sound i'm after. i write it all with one clear line in paino roll play on a loop and co create a new sound. and for the last time i'm not being a dick just because people dont seem to get why creating a song from a blank page is to hard or pointless. i have built up my own sound banks over time and learned how to get what i want from my set up. through time and hard work

Yeah, but do you do this because it sounds good or so that you can jerk off to how awesome you are for your own mutual exclusivity while you make shit tracks... as opposed to leaving the sound design for someone who specializes it so that you can focus on creating a song?

There's nothing wrong with creating your own sounds from scratch, but to discount others for using created sounds in unique ways by saying it isn't original is asinine.

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Originally posted by owien i have built up my own sound banks over time and learned how to get what i want from my set up. through time and hard work

Maybe you can give some tips then?:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...799#post9990799

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do you really synthesize *all* your own percussion samples? That's pretty cool, if so. Can you post some of the kicks, snares, hi hats, etc. you've made? I can make kicks on my own but they're pretty plain sine / triangle wave stuff, nothing stellar. They hit pretty hard, though: http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/perc/synthkick1a.wav http://jbj.raceriv.com/sounds/perc/synthkick2a.wav I have never made a *good* hi hat or snare from scratch. Wish I could find out how. I think it's awesome when people can make absolutely all their own sounds, but you shouldn't be a jerk about it like you have been in this thread. You can still make a good song if you use samples from other people.

i made a thread that includes a tutorial on how to make your own hi hats

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Originally posted by Subtle I dont know, sometimes things are just so logical that you just have to try and explain it. He says that if you arent making your own samples your music will be unoriginal and generic.. even though the artists he has listed as original can be proven do use plenty of samples, it still doesnt go through.

Yes but a long time ago someone should have come along and said most people are ok with using samples, and one person isn't. /thread locked

I get where the guy is coming from. If I were capable, I would probably synthesize all my own sounds as well, at least when it comes to dance music. Half the fun of making this music for me is "conquering" a new sound by overcoming the puzzle of how to make it and shape it exactly the way I want. But I know others feel differently so I am not going to call them hacks or unoriginal if they would rather do otherwise.

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Originally posted by david.michael Yeah, but do you do this because it sounds good or so that you can jerk off to how awesome you are for your own mutual exclusivity while you make shit tracks... as opposed to leaving the sound design for someone who specializes it so that you can focus on creating a song? There's nothing wrong with creating your own sounds from scratch, but to discount others for using created sounds in unique ways by saying it isn't original is asinine.

hey just because you cant co create anything new from scratch then poor you just go and wank off to the shit you make

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Originally posted by owien i have built up my own sound banks over time and learned how to get what i want from my set up. through time and hard work

We all respect and have no problem with that, but you are saying that this is the only way to make "your own" sound. If you think thats how your favorite artists do it, then you need to do more research.

i tried synthesizing my own kicks and also tried many drum synth presets and none come some what close to the hardness of a VEC Bassdrum. If someone knows a synth thats capable of replicating this, then tell me!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I get where the guy is coming from. If I were capable, I would probably synthesize all my own sounds as well, at least when it comes to dance music. Half the fun of making this music for me is "conquering" a new sound by overcoming the puzzle of how to make it and shape it exactly the way I want. But I know others feel differently so I am not going to call them hacks or unoriginal if they would rather do otherwise.

I make all of my own sounds, but I still think this guy is being unreasonable.

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Originally posted by owien hey just because you cant co create anything new from scratch then poor you just go and wank off to the shit you make

Listen, I totally respect you for making all of your sounds from scratch. I just think it's ridiculous for you to think that you aren't creating something new by using something someone has ever touched ever.

VEC kicks have lots of noise and distortion which makes them sound louder. Most of their samples are just ripped from other people's records anyway and then processed, right?

Personally I find a lot of VEC percs to be harsh on my ears, but that crunchy noisy sound seems to be what's in for trance these days.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd i tried synthesizing my own kicks and also tried many drum synth presets and none come some what close to the hardness of a VEC Bassdrum. If someone knows a synth thats capable of replicating this, then tell me!

Jomox Xbase
Jomox Mbase
Vermona DRM
Roland TR909
etc...

I agree, VEC Percs are loud and harsh. Thats why i don't use them.

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Originally posted by Zild Jomox Xbase Jomox Mbase Vermona DRM Roland TR909 etc...

I have to try one of those to see for myself.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles VEC kicks have lots of noise and distortion which makes them sound louder. Most of their samples are just ripped from other people's records anyway and then processed, right? Personally I find a lot of VEC percs to be harsh on my ears, but that crunchy noisy sound seems to be what's in for trance these days.

The Vengeance Club kicks are horrible, however i find the kicks from the House series to be much more usable.

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd i tried synthesizing my own kicks and also tried many drum synth presets and none come some what close to the hardness of a VEC Bassdrum. If someone knows a synth thats capable of replicating this, then tell me!

dont you own a virus if so select it remove all precomputed effects so that its as plane and dry as you can muster then find ways of making the kick as dry as you can ie remove res,filters and anything that will make it wet. try and find ways of opening the kick sound and pin pointing the deapist area.

once you have found the part of the kick you like then zone in on it as much as you can. select eq and move all parameters to that area.

try not to make the kick sit to low in the mix or to high find ways of using mid notes. and take it from their.

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Originally posted by owien and i wonder why

Because it wasn't?

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Originally posted by Subtle ...i find the kicks from the House series to be much more usable.

+1

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Originally posted by Subtle We all respect and have no problem with that, but you are saying that this is the only way to make "your own" sound. If you think thats how your favorite artists do it, then you need to do more research.

other then good and clever arrangement i cant see how a producer hopes on having their own sound if the dont stop and try to create it.


and i see now why people here think i'm coming of as being better then they are and throwing the fact that i can co create my own shit.
its a gift i guess thats taken a long time to do and i am more then happey to help people out if the so wish.

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Originally posted by owien its a gift i guess thts taken a long time to do and i am more then happey to help people out if the so wish.

Show us what you've created and maybe some people will take you up on that offer.

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