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havent been on the forum in ages..

too many people associate dance, or eurodance with trance...

but i like all, and im not ashamed..90's eurodance > trance

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Originally posted by yROMAN 1. This is precisely what me and most of the others on this forum seem to disagree on: while I do believe that Cascada and such have absolutely nothing to do with quality and/or Trance, I do believe that songs like PvD's "Home" or "For An Angel", Armin's "Going Wrong" or "Fine Without You", Tiesto's "In The Dark" or "Break My Fall" are probably ones of THE greatest Trance tracks ever produced. 2. I still feel it's Trance. Just because it is not obscure, underground and known to an inner circle of 500 DJ's only - it doesn't make it non-"quality", in my opinion. 3. An opinion vs. An opinion, is all it is. I believe "Not Enough Time" by Cosmic Gate feat. Emma Hewitt is THE best Vocal Trance track of 2009, hands down. The two following - in my opinion - would be "Man On The Run" by Dash Berlin with Cerf, Mitiska & Jaren and "Unforgivable" by AvB feat. Jaren. Which I'm sure you'd consider "cheese", because most of the club-goers feel like ripping their clothes off, when those tunes come on. 4. All the DJ's I mentioned (and about half of them are newcomers) I find fantastic. And that's - again - just my opinion. As for the links you posted, I'll check those out tomorrow, for it's almost 4 AM here, in California, and let you know what I think. Cheers.

OK, shit taste AND poor judgement. It's a vicious circle, really. Those of us who know better will tell you why you're wrong and you will keep saying stupid things like the ones I quoted above. Lather, rinse, repeat.

On what is it exactly that you base this statement?

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Originally posted by yROMAN I do believe that songs like PvD's "Home" or "For An Angel", Armin's "Going Wrong" or "Fine Without You", Tiesto's "In The Dark" or "Break My Fall" are probably ones of THE greatest Trance tracks ever produced.

Do you really think that this...







Is better than this?

Notice how I'm not even being "underground" or obscure. These are tracks produced by the same producers you mentioned a decade ago or so.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J How old are you?

Don't worry about it. Just stand by your taste and principles, and 10 years from now you can tell your 3 dogs and 2 cats how you won an argument with some dude on TranceAddict.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Uhm, okay. So, this was released in 1992. Yet, you were trying to prove a point that Trance music has changed and sort of evolved over time. Don't really see your point when we're almost in 2010 and you're posting something from almost 20 years ago to say that things changed since then.

Okay, fair point. The track is quite old.

Here is another example, from 2007. It is nothing like the crap that Armin makes.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Don't worry about it. Just stand by your taste and principles, and 10 years from now you can tell your 3 dogs and 2 cats how you won an argument with some dude on TranceAddict.

So you're a kid then, if you're too embarrassed to actually say your age.

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Originally posted by woscar

am i the only one who likes this tune? it is a catchy little bit of pop and reminds me of some of the better cuts from vega4's album you and others

some really bad chroma keying in the video though, lol

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Originally posted by woscar OK, shit taste AND poor judgement. It's a vicious circle, really. Those of us who know better will tell you why you're wrong and you will keep saying stupid things like the ones I quoted above. Lather, rinse, repeat. On what is it exactly that you base this statement? Do you really think that this... Is better than this? Notice how I'm not even being "underground" or obscure. These are tracks produced by the same producers you mentioned a decade ago or so.

The 3 tracks you posted are okay - not bad, but not fantastic, either. I know them, but never really play them. The tracks I mentioned I personally like out of the slew of Vocal Trance tracks produced over the past couple of years. I listen to lots of non-vocal tracks, as well and can give you examples of those I find great.

It's really sort of baffling, though, about this forum how a lot of people can't move on from what Trance sound used to be like 15-20 years ago, as well as the equation of vocal = cheese. Incidentally, do you consider "Silence" - which fucking launched Tiesto's career and up to today is a Trance classic and makes the crowd go nuts - cheesy, shitty, bad taste, whatever, too? You people really need to get out more and smoke a little less weed.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J So you're a kid then, if you're too embarrassed to actually say your age.

Not embarrassed at all - just don't think it's relevant to this discussion or is any of your business.

It is relevant, because very few people have good taste in music when they're young. You're not out of your teens yet.

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Originally posted by yROMAN The 3 tracks you posted are okay - not bad, but not fantastic, either. I know them, but never really play them. The tracks I mentioned I personally like out of the slew of Vocal Trance tracks produced over the past couple of years. I listen to lots of non-vocal tracks, as well and can give you examples of those I find great. It's really sort of baffling, though, about this forum how a lot of people can't move on from what Trance sound used to be like 15-20 years ago, as well as the equation of vocal = cheese. Incidentally, do you consider "Silence" - which fucking launched Tiesto's career and up to today is a Trance classic and makes the crowd go nuts - cheesy, shitty, bad taste, whatever, too? You people really need to get out more and smoke a little less weed.

Vocals are often cheesy because they're used as a crutch to compensate for poor music. If the crowd has something to sing along to they won't mind if the melody is weak.

Please post an example of a non-vocal track you like, I'm in the mood to laugh today.

p.s. your post is ironic. 'We' need to get out more, despite the fact that you know nothing of trance except for what Van Buuren et al. shove down your throat.

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Originally posted by supersaw abuse am i the only one who likes this tune? it is a catchy little bit of pop and reminds me of some of the better cuts from vega4's album you and others some really bad chroma keying in the video though, lol

You aren't the only one at all. Although I'd recommend the PvD Club Mix or - more recently released - Cosmic Gate Remix. Check 'em out.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Not embarrassed at all - just don't think it's relevant to this discussion or is any of your business.

What I'll be doing in 5 or 10 years is neither relevant nor any of your business either, but you still brought it up.

I'll tell you what I'll be doing tomorrow night though - going to a club and hearing some proper trance. I take it you'll be sat in your bedroom listening to Armin tracks on Youtube while you curse your inability to grow the convincing facial hair that would allow you to attend one of his over-priced arena gigs.

Don't try ad hominem until your balls have dropped, son.

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Originally posted by yROMAN It's really sort of baffling, though, about this forum how a lot of people can't move on from what Trance sound used to be like 15-20 years ago, as well as the equation of vocal = cheese. Incidentally, do you consider "Silence" - which fucking launched Tiesto's career and up to today is a Trance classic and makes the crowd go nuts - cheesy, shitty, bad taste, whatever, too? You people really need to get out more and smoke a little less weed.

And you probably need to smoke a little more.

It's hilarious that you're too ignorant and closed-minded to even put any value on where your favorite saccharine-drenched genre even came from. There is tons of music out there that is timeless, it doesn't become irrelevant. These tracks we're so graciously trying to show to you, to give you some perspective, were what launched TRANCE in the FIRST place. The tracks you seem to be a fan of are just garbage, plain and simple. Muppets and tossers may go nuts to them in a club, but just because some retard who's off his tits on disco biscuits nearly has an orgasm during a Van Buuren breakdown does not mean the track is any good.

It's quite obvious you're hopeless, and at this point it's just going to be entertaining to watch you thrash about helplessly.

Here, school yourself a bit more. You can thank me later.

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Originally posted by Domesticated It is relevant, because very few people have good taste in music when they're young. You're not out of your teens yet. Vocals are often cheesy because they're used as a crutch to compensate for poor music. If the crowd has something to sing along to they won't mind if the melody is weak. Please post an example of a non-vocal track you like, I'm in the mood to laugh today. p.s. your post is ironic. 'We' need to get out more, despite the fact that you know nothing of trance except for what Van Buuren et al. shove down your throat.

I'm in my mid-20's, grandpa, but whatever. Laugh is a healthy thing though, and at your age I'm sure you need it, therefore, I'll post 3 recently produced (all within the last several months) non-vocal TRANCE tracks and then you can tell me they're all shit, m'kay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rasxv4iig0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYFO77vlbZI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ-Wfxf4QHo

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J What I'll be doing in 5 or 10 years is neither relevant nor any of your business either, but you still brought it up. I'll tell you what I'll be doing tomorrow night though - going to a club and hearing some proper trance. I take it you'll be sat in your bedroom listening to Armin tracks on Youtube while you curse your inability to grow the convincing facial hair that would allow you to attend one of his over-priced arena gigs. Don't try ad hominem until your balls have dropped, son.

1. I'm not your son.
2. Saturday night I will be going to a club, as well, but I guess I'll be listening to IMproper Trance, along with hundreds of fellow clubbers, friends and DJs.
3. As for Armin gigs, I've attended 4, so far. Including the very last "ARMIN ONLY: Imagine" show last New Year's here in L.A., which was THE most amazing musical experience of my life. And I'll be going to see him again next week for Halloween. So, no need to worry, grandpa.

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Originally posted by Domesticated It is relevant, because very few people have good taste in music when they're young. You're not out of your teens yet. Vocals are often cheesy because they're used as a crutch to compensate for poor music. If the crowd has something to sing along to they won't mind if the melody is weak. Please post an example of a non-vocal track you like, I'm in the mood to laugh today. p.s. your post is ironic. 'We' need to get out more, despite the fact that you know nothing of trance except for what Van Buuren et al. shove down your throat.

I may not necessarily be as well-educated on the history of Trance (going all the way back to the 1800's), as some of you on here, but thank gawd I am young enough to realize that Trance music is STILL happening and is doing just fine, partly - BECAUSE it has moved on, since 1992. And in big picture it really doesn't matter, whether most of you can deal with that.

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Originally posted by yROMAN I'm in my mid-20's, grandpa, but whatever.

Yeah, MUCH better. It would have been forgiven if you actually were a teenager. My original statement stands: you have shit taste, and very poor judgment. At least before, you had an excuse.

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Originally posted by yROMAN I may not necessarily be as well-educated on the history of Trance (going all the way back to the 1800's), as some of you on here, but thank gawd I am young enough to realize that Trance music is STILL happening and is doing just fine, partly - BECAUSE it has moved on, since 1992. And in big picture it really doesn't matter, whether most of you can deal with that.

Which is funny, because going by the samples you posted, trance hasn't moved on since 2001. Same ol' intro-breakdown-build structure, same ol' sounds (actually, sounding a bit cheaper in the Jochen Miller cut)...

They aren't bad songs -the first two are actually quite good compared to what the superstar DJs churn out on the regular- but clearly going through the epic-trance motions. The last one's about as generic as this stuff gets.

That is why you'll find a lot of former fans of this kind of stuff here at TA. They've grown tired of hearing the same kind of song over and over and over and over and over and over for the past 5-10 years. They're anxious to hear something fresh, and hence start exploring other genres.

Trust me, that will happen to you too.

Edit: Or you'll leave the scene altogether once the novelty runs out.

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Originally posted by woscar Yeah, MUCH better. It would have been forgiven if you actually were a teenager. My original statement stands: you have shit taste, and very poor judgment. At least before, you had an excuse.

No offense, but I don't really give a shit about what you (or your fellow Preserve Trance! Society members) think of my shitty taste. As a matter of fact, most of you here act like you are motherfucking music critics. Yet, if you are THAT educated, talented and overall fantastic, how come no one - except for your fellow Trance-gods on this sad, little forum - heard of you? Oh yeah, that's right - I forgot: that's a fault of Armin's and his fellow evil accomplices', who have been and are collectively trying to destroy Trance music. I'm sure that a winner's philosophy - way to go, champs!

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Originally posted by Sykonee Trust me, that will happen to you too.

You would think.

I have a friend at work that I introduced to Trance back in 2004. At the time I was listening to ISOS, Magik, ASOT compilations, Ferry Corsten and the likes. I have moved on since then, but this friend has not. Whenever we talk about it he even goes as far as give me the "well, Armin is the #1 DJ for a reason you now?" and "Armin is selling out stadiums...the DJs you listen to can hardly get 200 people together" arguments as to why he has better taste in EDM than me.

Sound familiar?

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Originally posted by yROMAN No offense, but I don't really give a shit about what you (or your fellow Preserve Trance! Society members) think of my shitty taste. As a matter of fact, most of you here act like you are motherfucking music critics. Yet, if you are THAT educated, talented and overall fantastic, how come no one - except for your fellow Trance-gods on this sad, little forum - heard of you? Oh yeah, that's right - I forgot: that's a fault of Armin's and his fellow evil accomplices', who have been and are collectively trying to destroy Trance music. I'm sure that a winner's philosophy - way to go, champs!

It was only a matter of time until you gave that idiotic argument, really. It sure took you a while, though. Now the question is how much are you going to take to say "let's see you do better!!!"?

And I don't listen to trance anymore by the way. Except for when I decide to give one of my old Trance compilations a listen every now and then. Mostly for nostalgic purposes.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Which is funny, because going by the samples you posted, trance hasn't moved on since 2001. Same ol' intro-breakdown-build structure, same ol' sounds (actually, sounding a bit cheaper in the Jochen Miller cut)... They aren't bad songs -the first two are actually quite good compared to what the superstar DJs churn out on the regular- but clearly going through the epic-trance motions. The last one's about as generic as this stuff gets. That is why you'll find a lot of former fans of this kind of stuff here at TA. They've grown tired of hearing the same kind of song over and over and over and over and over and over for the past 5-10 years. They're anxious to hear something fresh, and hence start exploring other genres. Trust me, that will happen to you too. Edit: Or you'll leave the scene altogether once the novelty runs out.

I may not agree with you on every point you made, but I do see it, so, thanks for a CIVILIZED response.

And I understand that most people here seem to be jaded with Trance as such, but I'm not. Or maybe not yet, as you pointed out. However, I've been listening to Trance for about 4-5 years now, and - up to this day - every time I give a try to most of the other EDM styles I just get bored. So, I may not agree, but I know how most of you on here must feel about Trance.

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Originally posted by yROMAN I'm in my mid-20's, grandpa, but whatever. Laugh is a healthy thing though, and at your age I'm sure you need it, therefore, I'll post 3 recently produced (all within the last several months) non-vocal TRANCE tracks and then you can tell me they're all shit, m'kay?

What exactly is my age? Appreciating 20 year old music doesn't require one to be 'old'.

Those tracks are all shit. They have the same kick and bass as every other trance track from the last couple of years, and the melodies are just as generic.

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Originally posted by woscar You would think. I have a friend at work that I introduced to Trance back in 2004. At the time I was listening to ISOS, Magik, ASOT compilations, Ferry Corsten and the likes. I have moved on since then, but this friend has not. Whenever we talk about it he even goes as far as give me the "well, Armin is the #1 DJ for a reason you now?" and "Armin is selling out stadiums...the DJs you listen to can hardly get 200 people together" arguments as to why he has better taste in EDM than me. Sound familiar?

Your friend has a point. Although the fact that he listens to THE No. 1 DJ in the world doesn't make his taste "better" than yours. However, the fact that you listen to DJs that can barely fill up a basement doesn't make your taste better or more exquisite than his, either. Join us here, on earth, otherwise it may be a long and hard fall.

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Originally posted by yROMAN Your friend has a point. Although the fact that he listens to THE No. 1 DJ in the world doesn't make his taste "better" than yours. However, the fact that you listen to DJs that can barely fill up a basement doesn't make your taste better or more exquisite than his, either. Join us here, on earth, otherwise it may be a long and hard fall.

That statement is not true either, and is irrelevant. Just because that's his perception of let's say...Dyed Soundorom doesn't make it so. And even if it was, I could care less.

I've never claimed to be underground or obscure in my musical tastes. What I'm pointing out is the thickness and stubbornness of his demeanor.

The DJs & Producers I listen to are people with a strong passion for what they do and are in the "scene" (for lack of a better word) for just that. Not to be superstars, and ask for worship for hitting play on a CDJ and waiting for the 4 minute breakdown to end with their arms up in the air. They are much better musicians also, that can do more than use the same 4 kicks, drums, and synths in every track they make.

What fascinates me about all of you, my dear music critics and Preserve Trance! Society members, is that [16 pages of this thread later!] NONE of you can provide me with a TRANCE track from year 2009 that you like and consider, uhm... 'real' or 'proper', or 'quality' Trance. If you can't move on from what the Trance sound was like 5+ years ago, then maybe you should move on from Trance altogether, as so many of you claim you have. What I also don't get is why bash the today's Trance scene, if you simply aren't interested in it. I can't stand Minimal or Electro, or Drum and Bass, for instance, but I'm not going to waste my time by signing-up on the websites that cater to the fans of those styles and bitching about them constantly. MOVE the fuck ON. [I know that's what I'm going to do.] Good lord.

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