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Originally posted by saluyamo wow. The Source Experience - Point Zero is amazing.

Yeah Robert Leiner was one of the finest trance producers of the early days. Releasing great stuff on R & S Records. He released two progressive tracks on Spiral Trax in 2003 and have since then gone on to producing techno. A very anonymous guy indeed. Point Zero is IMO one of the best tracks of the 90s. It's amazing how fresch it sounds even though it got 16 years on it's neck.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J In my opinion you're an absolute fucking idiot who's starting yet another rambling tangential argument in this thread for no discernible fucking reason. I don't give a fuck what you think about either trance or euro because you lack the capacity to think anything worthwhile about either.

Tell me: Why do you react as a little child then, and act like you do care? You even haven't the decency to give a normal answer and you even didn't consider a misinterpretation of my side. Take an example to Rebel9. Although we often have a different views discussion stay at a normal level.

I gave an reaction on your opinion which had a lot of space for misinterpretation and you react on the comment as if a bee stack you.
If you weren't the idiot you could have tried to make it clear like is normal in discussions. Meanwhile it's still not clear what you really meant.

Count the "fucks" and "stupids" in you answers man....

I do not suffer fools gladly, and I care only about your knuckle-headed misinterpretations and fuzzy-headed ramblings across the topic which quote my posts, misrepresent them, misunderstand them and demand answers to stupid questions.

I used to forgive your incessant idiocy on the grounds you probably don't speak good English, but I've long since realised that you're a clown in any language. Every time there's a thread on trance any sane and rational discussion is derailed by your presence.

That's the point, maybe they aren't sane and rational, but your too stubborn to think anything else. So many people bring opinions as if they are facts and things are black or white. But in reality most are grey.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB

+1

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Originally posted by Trance-MB That's the point, maybe they aren't sane and rational, but your too stubborn to think anything else.

I've actively disagreed with several of the same people in this thread you are arguing against. If you weren't so fucking stupid you'd notice I wasn't even arguing against you, but you're accusing me of stubborn bias instead. Congratulations.

Lots of great tunes posted in this thread. Ridiculous argument about definitions though!

Trance-MB, keep your head above water and go to trance.nu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sAPQrDNS88

Effective Force - Punishing the Atoms (Paul Van Dyk mix)

^push - universal nation popped in my mind as Im hearing that joint

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I've actively disagreed with several of the same people in this thread you are arguing against. If you weren't so fucking stupid you'd notice I wasn't even arguing against you, but you're accusing me of stubborn bias instead. Congratulations.

I know you disagreed with several, because I also did and had the same optinion as you.

You mentioned that you could agree that nowadays trance is close to eurodance without rapping.
I thought you meant eurodance were you left away the rapping and leaving the rest including the often used female vocals. In that case I think eurodance wasn't close to nowadays trance all.
The other option, which I now think you meant, would be eurodance tracks without rap in it, which was made towards the end of the 90's like Lasgo, Milk Inc and The Mackenzie. With that I agree, but you didn't mention end of the 90's or something similar.
It's not strange some of those were close to (todays) trance, actually if you listen to their early tracks like Cream and La Vache of Milk Inc it's obvious why.
It would even be valid to doubt whether they should have been called eurodance IMO.

Another discussion, cause I think that what I did instead of arguing, was about technical differences in equipment in the early-mid 90's vs. equipment available since late 90's.
Number of tracks simultaneously in a track became much more. PC stearing of synthezisers brought many changes (not talking about vst). It was mentioned that this was also possible in early 90's. I didn't answer on that one, but think it's a difference what was technically possible and what in reality was used or available to producers. Most producer didn't have the equipment J.M.J. had. Or the money to buy a shitload of synthesizers and stuff.


IMO non of this sounds totally ridiculous. I always hold in mind I could be wrong about things. I'm not stubborn, but persistent until some good arguments are presented. These good arguments often aren't mentioned. Because of this many discussions over here don't really end.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I know you disagreed with several, because I also did and had the same optinion as you.

So why are you accusing me of stubborn bias? Is it ridiculous double-think on your part, or just plain knee-jerk stupidity? I think you're an idiot because that's how I see you, not because I'm biased against you or towards anyone you argue with.

I'm not indulging you in an actual discussion, because it's like trying to open a fridge door with your dick.

hahaha, great analogy

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J So why are you accusing me of stubborn bias? .

For the reason that you didn't do anything to clear up a possible misinterpretation on your "eurodance without rap is nowadays trance" opinion, probably because you were too busy calling me "stupid, stupid man" and "fucking idiot".

This to me is great example of real (i.e. generic) trance, somewhere between progressive and uplifting but not really either:



It could be said that you require some more psychedelic elements which would be catered for by something like:

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Originally posted by Trance-MB For the reason that you didn't do anything to clear up a possible misinterpretation on your "eurodance without rap is nowadays trance" opinion, probably because you were too busy calling me "stupid, stupid man" and "fucking idiot".

Well, seeing you were the only one misinterpreting anything...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Well, seeing you were the only one misinterpreting anything...

If you had read it better you would know that I also was the only one suggesting a misinterpretation. I think I probably misinterpreted it, but that still doesn't mean I really did or that there was plenty of space for misinterpretation. So maybe your ... are a bit early....

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Originally posted by Trance-MB If you had read it better you would know that I also was the only one suggesting a misinterpretation. I think I probably misinterpreted it, but that still doesn't mean I really did or that there was plenty of space for misinterpretation. So maybe your ... are a bit early....

...right.

Planisphere - Teardrop


Kamaya Painters - Outstream


GTR - Mistral


Planisphere - Moonshine



I gave away all my old records so a lot of tunes are escaping me at the moment. This thread is great, btw. It's been a long time since I've listened to trance.. good trance that is.

i know this is off-topic, but can someone tell me where that gif is from on page 15 of this thread; with the person with the dinosaur head and the kids partying/crying? it's driving me crazy trying to figure that thing out. is it some kind of internet meme that i missed?

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Originally posted by Xict i know this is off-topic, but can someone tell me where that gif is from on page 15 of this thread; with the person with the dinosaur head and the kids partying/crying? it's driving me crazy trying to figure that thing out. is it some kind of internet meme that i missed?

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

wow..... just.... wow... thanks.

And some classic intense trance tracks (sorry if any of these were posted before). Surely the crucial factor must be the quality of E back in the 90s or something. Hypnotic bass, acid pulsations, piano-like arpeggios and sci-fi emotional cinematic strings its all there

ah, gotta love these threads...

how many people on here were actively listening to trance, buying CD's of trance, and going to shows/raves in the 1992-1994 years when trance first blew up? from what I've seen in this thread, probably on a few outside of myself.

I don't recall trance really being a specific genre, but a subset of BOTH house and techno with a hypnotic, experimental, evolving sound. look at the early trance sound of Hardfloor, more of a hypnotic house sound at what we still consider a house tempo (125-130ish) to some of the manic tunes of Spicelab was doing, crazy epic journeys that lasted 15 minutes or more at well over 150bpm! They were vastly different, but shared the trance "feeling" and the same label. Are any labels doing putting out such disparate music under the exact same label name these days like Harthouse used to? I don't think so, and labels often resort to sublabels when they do.

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Originally posted by PETRAN

That sounds as if it is unfinished.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag how many people on here were actively listening to trance, buying CD's of trance, and going to shows/raves in the 1992-1994 years

Me too and bought way too many cd's I guess..

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