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Originally posted by 2techs I'm confident in my mixing abilities these days so I could give a rats ass if you allude to when I was just starting out. Where were you to give a complete review for my '1997 progressive trance mix' earlier this year btw? You seemed to be MIA, fucking hater.

I stopped listening to your mixes because they're terrible on just about every technical level, right down to the needles on your decks. You can't beatmatch, keymix or use levels properly and your flow is bollocks because you have no idea how to control energy through transitions. When you posted that Memnon track a week or two ago and somebody rightly pointed out that the MIDI timing is out on the percussion, you couldn't even hear it. You thought the one section of the track without the problem was the part that sounded wrong, so good luck with your confident mixing abilities.

You mean this mix? http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=1#.Uleas1O2H_E Where you started accusing moderators of fucking with your links because you fucked up? Absolutely laughable. You have the mentality of a small child who doesn't understand the world around him. How can I debate about genre theory with someone who can't admit he fucked up a link?. You make all these ridiculous threads begging for attention and then you start crying when you get insulted for acting like a baby throwing his toys out the pram so the adults will come pay attention to him. Grow the fuck up.

And if progressive trance doesn't exist, why exactly did you make a mix called 1997 progressive trance?

I read somewhere that over here in Holland "progressive trance" was used for some trance productions make in the U.K. I guess they invented the term in the U.K. for commercial purpose and the stupid fucks here took it over instead of neglecting it for ever.

I read a post of System-J yesterday where he mentioned his age in 1996 (I know he's heading 30 now), but didn't realize he was still swimming around when I bought my first cd.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You can't beatmatch

Obviously you shouldn't be talking, you time warp/pro tools/beatgrid your shit.

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Originally posted by 2techs Why did I name that mix progressive trance? It's called marketing my friend.

Welcome to how genres are created.

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Saying that you stopped listening to my mixes due to technical flaws is just a flat out lie. If anything, from a ****'s point of view, that would give me more reason to ridicule someone's mixes that should be made in the future.

Yes Matt, it's a flat out lie. I'm actually listening to all of your mixes and I'm not commenting on them because they're technically perfect and I'm just a cunt. Meanwhile, the moderators are busy sabotating your upload links. OR I really have no time or inclination to listen to a muddy recording of someone clattering a bunch of tracks I mostly already know and have elsewhere in better mixed and recorded sets.

This 'epic house' term to me is absolute nonsense. I definitely subscribe to 'progressive house' and 'progressive trance,' however. Here is a prime example:

progressive house:



progressive trance:

i can't describe tracks like "sandra collins - flutterby" in other category that not progressive trance. also, this is a weird discussion with some good points.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes Matt, it's a flat out lie. I'm actually listening to all of your mixes and I'm not commenting on them because they're technically perfect and I'm just a cunt. Meanwhile, the moderators are busy sabotating your upload links. OR I really have no time or inclination to listen to a muddy recording of someone clattering a bunch of tracks I mostly already know and have elsewhere in better mixed and recorded sets.

But it's true though, you are a ****. There's enough material from the last 10 years to make that case. It could be this mentality that you're from the UK and the whole EDM scene revolves around your backyard. Your done with my mixes huh? Whoopty doo! Your mixes are no longer relevant in my books as well. Who the hell wants to hear some 5 hour set you did chopped up into smaller files?

wow.

protip - its pretty easy to tell the diff between prog trance & prog house.

trance pumps, house grooves

work from there.

now go fuck yourselves.

Epic house is probably the only genre with the term "epic" in it which upholds the word's meaning to some degree.

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Originally posted by Salegon Epic house is probably the only genre with the term "epic" in it which upholds the word's meaning to some degree.

From what I've heard, 'epic Viking metal' upholds too.

Epic house is not a fucking genre. Please understand this. Even discogs, which has developed some obscure, unnecessary 'genres,' doesn't have 'epic house' as one of them.

On a relevant note, there's also no such thing as 'jazz house.' There's jazzy house, which has instruments/components of jazz. Can we stop trying to coin new genres ffs? Discogs has enough of them.

And SYSTEM-J, I think you might've mentioned The Aloof - Agent O as being progressive house. It's not. I've had this record, and it's progressive trance. Limbo Records, btw, is a mix of progressive house and progressive trance. A friend of mine used to make mixes of artists from Limbo, and similar ones, and they were all progressive trance sets.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Epic house is not a fucking genre. Please understand this. Even discogs, which has developed some obscure, unnecessary 'genres,' doesn't have 'epic house' as one of them.

They also don't have eurobeat in there, which has been around for a good 20 years.

Oh, but they have a 'gagaku' tag.

What the hell is eurobeat and what the fuck is gagaku?

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred What the hell is eurobeat?

Popular in Japan since early 90's, made in Italy. A mix of Italo-disco, -dance and pop.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred What the hell is eurobeat

Eurobeat:


Basically, imagine the opening theme of any anime, or the extra-hard level of DDR. Like I said, been around forever, with labels exclusively churning the stuff out. Gander at Delta:

Delta @ Discogs

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred what the fuck is gagaku?

This is what Lord Discogs has for gagaku:

Gagaku!

Traditional Japanese folk music from the Gagaku region, I guess?

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Originally posted by Sykonee Eurobeat: Basically, imagine the opening theme of any anime, or the extra-hard level of DDR. Like I said, been around forever, with labels exclusively churning the stuff out. Gander at Delta: Delta @ Discogs

Interesting, never heard this type of stuff before. Reminds me of rave/happy hardcore.

Progressive trance exists yall.

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Originally posted by 2techs Progressive trance exists yall.

Lord Discogs has 40,500+ tags for it. I'd say that's enough to count it as legit.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred And SYSTEM-J, I think you might've mentioned The Aloof - Agent O as being progressive house. It's not. I've had this record, and it's progressive trance. Limbo Records, btw, is a mix of progressive house and progressive trance. A friend of mine used to make mixes of artists from Limbo, and similar ones, and they were all progressive trance sets.

I've never heard of that track, so I think you're confusing me with someone else. Limbo Records started out as 100% progressive house - they were second only to Guerilla in their output - but they evolved over the '90s and most stuff after 1996 is basically progressive trance. I don't keep up with their modern releases but from memory they've gone pretty techno now.

Do we still consider certain tracks with a formulaic breakdown and a lead melody to be progressive trance?

For example, is Bedrock - Heaven Scent progressive trance? Most, if not all progressive trance tracks are pretty unpredictable unlike your standard uplifting trance track with the build up/breakdown/anthem setup.
I hope I can be understood here...

A response I got from Harry Lemon on Facebook...

Lemon8

Hi Matthew, thanks for writing me

What I mean by 'Progressive Trance is a contradiction in terms' is that Progressive House Music was never intended a style form but as a mish mash of various styles. One of those styles-and adopted by most Dj' s is a trancy one but that was a natural progression because of the very nature. (long mixes flowing from one into the other track)

Trance is formulaic and not really meant to experiment. It whould Be very predictable. Nothing wrong with that but that's why I said its a contradiction to use the words progressive and Trance. It's never been progressive.

However they did crossover eventually and now what's called Progressive isn't progressive anymore. Its just a term without any meaning. If anything it has become a predictable sub style of dance Music.

But that's the way it goes. And what's a contradiction too in a way is that that's progress.

In the end it's just a name. So it doesn't really matter

Hope that answered your question Cheers Harry

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