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just wanted to add to the epicness that ken_lee (palm) started

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Originally posted by ken_lee what you people think is trance is actually something very different

That's like saying modern bands aren't rock because they don't all sound like Zeppelin or something, are you really this convoluted? Jesus Christ.

I don't know why you even attempted to refute what Fledz said when 1) he's right and 2) you're not saying anything different than what he reacted to in the first place. You're just used to listening to older trance and refuse to acknowledge anything new, that's perfectly fine but stop trying to convince people that your view on music is "better" than ours. You like your music, we like ours. Is it really that hard to just let that be the end of it, instead of trying to "convert" people to listening to what you think is better music? That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen someone do, and at the very least it's still extremely elitist.

I consider Andy Blueman good trance but at the same time i consider good trance (to be honest slightly better trance) things that are trance also but sound completely different.



This is a fucking moster.

And this used to be real uplifting trance



And i could post anything about Airbase, i think it's the only producer that was and is still great, Ferry Corsten, Tiesto, Oakenfold, PvD... they made great tracks but now their music is lame. Airbase keeps being on top of his game.

Well i am going to add another gem by a dear Trance Addict.



Airwave, Lolo, Fire & Ice... who cares you've made some of the best music i can remember

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Originally posted by Kysora That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen someone do, and at the very least it's still extremely elitist.

In any genre in music, life, world, fishing, hunting, swimming, running, tv, movie etc. older people will always crave for the things that existed when they were young. Be it better or worse than today's things. It's pretty pointless to argue. You will eventually be saying those same things Palm said, to people 10 years younger than you.

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Originally posted by Storyteller shit in general is crap

Makes sense!

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I wouldn't expect no different on this forum. When someones far outside your daily reality you tend to judge them with more scrutiny. And if he posted on this forum there'd be a lot of people likely trying to win his respect. People are generally fake like that. Shit I could prob make a new account with his name and aNYthing would be the first person trying to befriend me. Anyway yeh, it doesn't matter either way.

So what you're trying to say is that, you'd let M4D fuck you in real life?

Here's a question:

WTF happened to Chicane?

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Originally posted by Beatflux Here's a question: WTF happened to Chicane?

The same that happened to the others. They make watered down trance now.

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Originally posted by JEO In any genre in music, life, world, fishing, hunting, swimming, running, tv, movie etc. older people will always crave for the things that existed when they were young. Be it better or worse than today's things. It's pretty pointless to argue. You will eventually be saying those same things Palm said, to people 10 years younger than you.

That doesn't really excuse people from being assholes to people who enjoy newer things.

It's not "pointless" to argue, at least not for me. My mind has been changed a few times, and I've opened up to music I might not have considered.

I'm not sure what all the "Music is subjective, so why argue?" people really want. Without arguments here, we'd just have people making big lists of tracks and giving a thumbs up or thumbs down based on their "personal, subjective" and therefore undiscussable tastes.

Rather boring, no?

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Originally posted by JEO In any genre in music, life, world, fishing, hunting, swimming, running, tv, movie etc. older people will always crave for the things that existed when they were young. Be it better or worse than today's things. It's pretty pointless to argue. You will eventually be saying those same things Palm said, to people 10 years younger than you. Makes sense!

i dont listen to old trance now, i listen to house or techno, or some genreless music, as ive grown tired of trance long ago. but that doesnt mean it was better than todays trance. you all got it wrong i wasnt subjective and i dont have emo-feelings wishing things where like they where, because i get tired of things pretty fast. i discovered trance late but got tired of it before it died and moved on to hardhouse (shame on me lol) and then techno, progressive etc etc. before trance i listened to drum and base, happy hardcore, jungle, early techno and all kinds of shit within edm. trance had its period and its dead now, the sooner u accept this the sooner you will be able to make money on music. im not saying music in general was better in the 90s cause im actually finding more good music with less effort now. but its not trance!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I'm not sure what all the "Music is subjective, so why argue?" people really want. Without arguments here, we'd just have people making big lists of tracks and giving a thumbs up or thumbs down based on their "personal, subjective" and therefore undiscussable tastes.

Oh, come on. Discussing and debating music tastes is one thing, coming into a thread to derail it with egotistical bullshit about how your music tastes are inherently "superior" to anyone who likes Andy Blueman while contributing nothing to the main topic is blatant trolling and completely uncalled for. Don't try to justify that kind of idiocy.

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Originally posted by Kysora Mother of God, this entire post is one giant clusterfuck of your own biases being unfairly directed towards a musician. It fucking pisses me off that people can actually go around saying shit like this and actually think they're saying anything remotely subjective, let alone intelligent.etc etc

wow, this must be the most legitimate post on TA since 2002

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It's not "pointless" to argue, at least not for me. My mind has been changed a few times, and I've opened up to music I might not have considered. I'm not sure what all the "Music is subjective, so why argue?" people really want. Without arguments here, we'd just have people making big lists of tracks and giving a thumbs up or thumbs down based on their "personal, subjective" and therefore undiscussable tastes. Rather boring, no?

Honestly, I think the real problem with arguing about music isn't so much its subjectivity as it is the referential foundation which arguments are tethered too. I've seen so many arguments about music that just went nowhere because the participants didn't have a shared understanding of the foundation that would have supported their arguments, in the first place, and, more often than not, were unwittingly arguing different sides of the same coin, if they were even arguing over the same points, at all.

Funny thing is I think theres not enough uplifting anymore.. but then I grew up in the Gatecrasher era so that's the sound I'm always looking out for. Simon Patterson does some good stuff, Aly and Fila too.. but most of what you hear these days has more of the techy edge than uplifrting

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Originally posted by Kysora Mother of God, this entire post is one giant clusterfuck of your own biases being unfairly directed towards a musician. It fucking pisses me off that people can actually go around saying shit like this and actually think they're saying anything remotely subjective, let alone intelligent.

No, just his shitty music. I'll tell you what. He starts spitting out tunes better then "Arisen" or "Escape" and I'll change my tune. Oh wait, he's quitting. Well fuck. What a loss! Um. Not.

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What the flying fuck is wrong with people in this forum. What is so hard about just letting people enjoy different music than you without having to judge them as if they're "below" you for liking something else. Why people considering other music to be "emotionally pre-pubescent" or relating it to gay furry is your own problem, keep it to your fucking selves. Who do you think you're impressing by writing long winded posts preaching on how a style of music isn't good because it doesn't fit what you consider to be good music? How can someone possibly convince themselves that their own musical tastes are suddenly a universal, subjective view on what's good and bad in music? As if anyone who disagrees or maybe likes something you don't like is wasting their time on "amateur" music, instead of listening to what you like, which is the real good stuff?

Holly tantrum, batman! I happen to love melodic trance. Andy Blueman's version if it, IMO, was just not my cup of tea. Your mileage obviously will vary.

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